The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Yeah I hated the theme park stuff and don't think it makes a zone "more detailed".

It means you can have more interesting traversal options.

Absolutely no point designing fun stuff like the Legion hunter only flight paths with free gliders. Or the Maldraxxus necropolis airdrops.

It definitely makes the zones seem very fake when you look at it from a distance. But it did mean you could actually have areas that were interesting by virtue of being difficult to get to.

[Syegfryed]

It is most likely Anasterians crown:

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It's obviously not 1 to 1, but its essentially what a wow version of it would look like, with the slightly less delicate art direction.

Why in the ass Veressa have Anasterian crown?? like??? she just pull from her ass out of nowhere?? i would imagine Kael then Lorthemar had it, not using but keeping safe

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That was my first thought, but it doesn't match the new art:

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It looks like it could be his wife's with the adornments on top snapped off. Alternatively there's a chance it was meant to be Kael's but ended up in the Windrunners' hands instead (safekeeping?). The other obvious thought is that it's Lireesa's or Verath's, but it would be odd for a high position like theirs to have a crown but not the prince. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Imba: we learn Anasterian wife was the fourth windrunner, thats why it end up in Veressa hand

ayyyy lmao

[Jaggler]

Why in the ass Veressa have Anasterian crown?? like??? she just pull from her ass out of nowhere?? i would imagine Kael then Lorthemar had it, not using but keeping safe

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Imba: we learn Anasterian wife was the fourth windrunner, thats why it end up in Veressa hand

ayyyy lmao

We don't even know if that is what it is, but yes, it would make little to no sense why the High Elves would have Anasterian's crown.

[Elronas16]

Players have consistently voiced they want flying immediately, so no. That level design is not coming back any time soon.

Was hoping that the Prey game mode would demand no flying, at least then there would be a reason to assume the old level design would return.

I believe zones should still be designed for ground gameplay first and foremost regardless. Even if you make them a little larger. Yeah let players fly if thats what they wanna do, but this new type of world design favours nobody.

Obviously worse for those that pay attention to details, appreciate the environment and like to get immersed and makes no difference for those that just zoom over everything to their next quest. Dragonriding has not been 'engaging' since the launch patch of Dragonflight, it's at a point that it's as trivializing as old flying was.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly doing the Midnight beta, I felt that flying from quest to quest even with the zone designed for that in mind didn't do the zones much justice. You miss much by not at least approaching each location from the ground. Also Harandar has the worst level design in WoW. Never before have I been this confused by a zone. At no moment did I feel aware of where I am. The zone just lacks landmarks and while the skybox is beautiful, it is distracting instead of informative.

[Joshuaj]

i think his problem is with the new design of the zones. modern zones (post shadowlands) lack the details older ones had

Uhm...wtf?

We making new things up now? Or?

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Gonna assume y'all are just bored and are finding things to complain about, even if it makes little sense.

[Reive]

Uhm...wtf?

We making new things up now?

No, you are.

The new zones are 100% less detailed than the older ones. Also, the buildings have this over simplified and bulky design that makes them look bad

[elbleuet]

High elves are the true heirs to Anasterian's legacy.

And the only important thalassian leader who remembers Anasterian and shows love for him in game is Vereesa during Varian's funeral.

Well done Vereesa.

[Makabreska]

No, you are.

The new zones are 100% less detailed than the older ones. Also, the buildings have this over simplified and bulky design that makes them look bad

Which older ones are we talking bout?

[Dracullus]

Uhm...wtf?

We making new things up now? Or?

Gonna assume y'all are just bored and are finding things to complain about, even if it makes little sense.

Dude is asking for moving Midnight to June. You can tell someone lost the plot.

Which older ones are we talking bout?

Yeah, for sure it's not about TBC-Wrath wastelands. Only zones specifically crafted for no-flying were between WoD and SL. And maaany people complained they are designed like mazes instead of actual places.

For me, I always prefer variety. So I would welcome zone like Undermine even among launch ones.

[Reive]

Which older ones are we talking bout?

Pre shadowlands/dragonflight

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Dude is asking for moving Midnight to June. You can tell someone lost the plot.

Yes, blizzard.

[Syegfryed]

High elves are the true heirs to Anasterian's legacy.

And the only important thalassian leader who remembers Anasterian and shows love for him in game is Vereesa during Varian's funeral.

Well done Vereesa.

Can you stop, there is a thread for these kind of delusions

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Uhm...wtf?

We making new things up now? Or?

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Gonna assume y'all are just bored and are finding things to complain about, even if it makes little sense.

Tbh i think the zones have more details now, its just that they are more cramped together

I love DF zones, didnt like much TWW except undermine but the details seem to be on point there

[Darkarath]

The new zones are 100% less detailed than the older ones.

I'm sorry but this statement is completely ridiculous.

[Makorus]

New zones are just as detailed as the old ones, you just don't have to pay attention to any of that as you zip from quest area to quest area.

Replaying Legion in Remix, it's crazy how much atmosphere you actually lose by being able to fly from the get-go.

I still think flying shouldn't be unlocked until you complete all the story chapters, but hey, I can see why they wouldn't want to entertain that idea.

[Santandame]

I believe zones should still be designed for ground gameplay first and foremost regardless. Even if you make them a little larger. Yeah let players fly if thats what they wanna do, but this new type of world design favours nobody.

Obviously worse for those that pay attention to details, appreciate the environment and like to get immersed and makes no difference for those that just zoom over everything to their next quest. Dragonriding has not been 'engaging' since the launch patch of Dragonflight, it's at a point that it's as trivializing as old flying was.

Agreed. It was great at Dragonflights launch. It if totally redundant and trivial now. If you find it fun, fair enough, but it’s not really any different to static flying at this point.

[Vakir]

"Delay the expansion 3 months as if that's going to do anything to the things people have a problem with"

Do people not understand the timeline on asset creation? Or writing this shit when so much is already voice acted?

This is sadly all locked in. I'd say the solution is to get better and take into account the feedback but...when it comes to story, they really don't.

[Raetary]

Why in the ass Veressa have Anasterian crown?? like??? she just pull from her ass out of nowhere?? i would imagine Kael then Lorthemar had it, not using but keeping safe

Shocking concept but what if, and hear me out, she goes and acquires it in the campaign.

The thing is clearly gonna have some magical significance, like the rest of the items.
And Anasterian was the last High King of QT before the scourge came.
It makes sense as a historical Helf piece.

[Santandame]

Everyone saying that those saying the new zones aren’t on the level of the current (DF-Midnight) zones:

Name me any zone from those expansions that you genuinely believe are on the same level as:

- The entirety of Draenor but predominantly Shadowmoon, Frostfire.
- Suramar, Stormheim
- The entirety of Kul Tiras
- In my opinion, the entirety of Zandalar though might be controversial to most.
- Makdraxxus, Ardenweald and Revendreth

I don’t doubt the new zones have similar amount of detail but they’re missing a lot of what of these zones possessed.

I’m sure many of you will say Hallowfall which in my mind is without a doubt, the most overly hyped, overly glazed zone in the history of the game. Take away the crystal and it loses all intrigue. Even with the crystal it’s mid.

There’s not a single zone from DF, TWW or what I’ve seen of Midnight that truly stick out as great zones.

Edit - forgot about Undermine. That is a great, memorable zone.

[Syegfryed]

Shocking concept but what if, and hear me out, she goes and acquires it in the campaign.

That doesnt answer the question of why the fuck she, of all people, would acquire it.


She clearly gives two fucks about the king, the regent, the kingdom and the people since she fucked off to dalaran, where they try to kill the elves, so it just seems like lame "well, she is high elf, its a high elf thing, it fit!" kind of dumb logic.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The funniest thing is even if they could do better character writing it does not matter, the expansion does not meet the moment of its concept. The Main A Plot is at odds with what they have written as events completely.

This isn't just a failure of the Narrative Teams writing, its also a failure of the leadership and their direction in which their structure internally for the Narrative has become so burdensome and cumbersome that it ultimately seems to consumers like they are directionless in concepts that are so easily straightforward and easy to bake in the past and yet now are completely unmanageable for some reason.