The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

You can make up explanation for every combo without much problem. Issue is that for next classes Blizzard has to create new forms, totems, mounts, etc. and it isn't #1 priority work. Also they likely want to split it between patches cause every change bring some hype.

[Cheezits]

Warlock is the only class that needs no excuse. Even for super militantly magic races, the PC can be someone special who is a demon worshiper or someone who wants to control them.

The rest either have models required or would require actual new lore (Evoker: turning into a dracthyr would be required)

[Sondrelk]

Something else which crossed my mind...

We can expect surprises with each patch probably, based on the fact that they announced new race/class combos today, as well as a RAF refresh. That's really cool to see, and puts an exciting spin on the roadmap they've shown earlier.

But noticeably absent from today's news are "Holiday Updates", which was a feature listed on the roadmap for this patch. I suppose they might keep adding information over the coming weeks, but you'd think they'd at least mention it in today's post.

There are updates to Lunar New year though. When you logged on today there was a new quest in Valdrakken guiding you back to Stormwind/Orgrimmar to start the event, so there was at least something. I also believe there are new elders in the Dragon Isles.

[Sondrelk]

All right. But I'm not sure that counts as a major patch headline. I would expect something more akin to Legion's big micro holiday update.

Sure, but even those had to wait until they actually started. For all we know there might be major updates to the Easter event for instance.

I do lean towards agreeing though. A comprehensive list of what holidays have been updated, and in what way would be nice.

[Sentynel]

But noticeably absent from today's news are "Holiday Updates", which was a feature listed on the roadmap for this patch. I suppose they might keep adding information over the coming weeks, but you'd think they'd at least mention it in today's post.

Roadmap also said "content and timing subject to change". Maybe it got pushed back for a later patch. We don't know yet.

[Revamp Man]

I was listening to the Djaradin music for a bit, and it hit me. There's low chant type music, and it sounds kind of regal... could they actually be Dwarves?

Note that the Djaradin elders hid themselves underground, and thats where the next patch/Khaz Algar is likely to be. Also the titan book notes that the dwarves mutated somehow.

What if Djaradin are actually massive funky dwarves? It kind of fits with how they are weirdly proportioned, imo.

It fits
They made a deal with iridikron for power and its possible that is what caused them to change

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Roadmap also said "content and timing subject to change". Maybe it got pushed back for a later patch. We don't know yet.

I mean we got updates to trial of style which players wanted

[Varodoc]

Paladin - pretty easy for most races because of the precedent where Blood Elves were able to bend the Light to their will using a Naaru. But might be a bit tricky for races like Void Elves or Undead due to their nature.

The idea of Void elf Paladin will not create any issue or plot hole actually. We already know that the Twilight's Hammer employed dark paladins, who could still use Light-based spell despite being surrounded by Void users and Void energies everywhere:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

In addition, the Void elf named "Riftblade Kelain" wears the "Radiant Lightbringer Shoulderguards", which is an iconic Paladin armour piece and may or may not be a blatant nod from Blizzard to the brilliant idea of Void elf Paladin:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Riftblade_Kelain

DH and Evoker - obvious lore niches since they were created at a specific point in time (and obviously Dragon biology). But hey, I guess anything can be explained with quests.

Void elf Demon Hunter already appears in Hearthstone:




As such, the Ren'dorei employ a Demon Hunter in their ranks, and jump ahead of the other races for candidate to get Demon Hunter.

[FossilFree]

Warlock - troublesome for Draenei, Highmountain, Night Elves, Mag'har, etc.

I don't think these are troublesome at all. WoW doesn't have a true alignment system, but you can still roleplay alignment by picking to play the "bad guy" class. Humans are supposed to all be noble and religious, but some choose to pursue a darker path and can make a warlock. Orcs supposedly hate warlocks, fel, the legion, etc. but they can break the mold and play a chaotic alignment through choosing the warlock class.

The same would be true for any that seem troublesome. All it does is bring those races the ability to RP alignment too, like they should have always been able to. The reverse of this is also why forsaken should get druids and void elves paladins. Allow every race to RP alignment through their class choices, in lieu of an actual alignment system.

[Sondrelk]

Actually kind of surprised we have not heard any mentions of Void Elf Demon hunters to begin with. It's an extremely easy narrative fit. Just say the Demon Hunter joined the Blood Elf expedition to Telogrus Rift.
Yes it's a bit narratively iffy how a zealot decided to blow off killing demons for a while, but it is to protect Silver moon after all.

[Gorsameth]

Actually kind of surprised we have not heard any mentions of Void Elf Demon hunters to begin with. It's an extremely easy narrative fit. Just say the Demon Hunter joined the Blood Elf expedition to Telogrus Rift.
Yes it's a bit narratively iffy how a zealot decided to blow off killing demons for a while, but it is to protect Silver moon after all.

I imagine the main reason is a lack of Horde race to go with it. They probably don't want to give Horde 1 and Alliance 2.

Tho they could just do Nightborne...

[Khaza-R]

I don't think these are troublesome at all. WoW doesn't have a true alignment system, but you can still roleplay alignment by picking to play the "bad guy" class. Humans are supposed to all be noble and religious, but some choose to pursue a darker path and can make a warlock. Orcs supposedly hate warlocks, fel, the legion, etc. but they can break the mold and play a chaotic alignment through choosing the warlock class.

The same would be true for any that seem troublesome. All it does is bring those races the ability to RP alignment too, like they should have always been able to. The reverse of this is also why forsaken should get druids and void elves paladins. Allow every race to RP alignment through their class choices, in lieu of an actual alignment system.

The only one that's problematic is Maghar. Since they should technically not even be brown at all by virtue of being a warlock. Otherwise I agree, there's really no issues with the other ones other than they might just want to expand their customization options or give them something extra.

[Padwarle]

New(ish) PTR realms. Renamed SoM PTR realms, I believe.

[Throren]

So what are the chances that we'll see a 10.0.7 PTR build this week?

[Varodoc]

Actually kind of surprised we have not heard any mentions of Void Elf Demon hunters to begin with. It's an extremely easy narrative fit. Just say the Demon Hunter joined the Blood Elf expedition to Telogrus Rift.
Yes it's a bit narratively iffy how a zealot decided to blow off killing demons for a while, but it is to protect Silver moon after all.

It's been many years since the return of the Illidari in-universe. The Illidari are ambitious and arrogant, it's not hard to imagine a scenario where a Demon Hunter, not satisfied with the power of the Fel, sought the power of the Void as well (AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF LEGION). Which would naturally lead said DH to Telogrus Rift, to study the Void alongside many other ambitious elves.

We already have a character who can merge Void and Death into one body (Void elf Death Knight). Void elf Demon Hunter would also make sense and it would merge Void and Fel into one body.

[Nymrohd]

It fits
They made a deal with iridikron for power and its possible that is what caused them to change

I think Tarjin was very specific that they made an alliance. They were not empowered they just agreed to work together.

[Revamp Man]

I think Tarjin was very specific that they made an alliance. They were not empowered they just agreed to work together.

i might need to go listen again but tarjin did say nobody knew exactly what happened when the elders were in the earth

[Lady Atia]

So what are the chances that we'll see a 10.0.7 PTR build this week?

They already said the plan is to give us PTR as soon as the latest update hits liveservers (and presumably is free of bugs). Not sure how quick we got the last one after the trading post announcement?

[Nymrohd]

i might need to go listen again but tarjin did say nobody knew exactly what happened when the elders were in the earth

But upon her journey, a massive being of elemental magic approached her. An Incarnate of the earth itself.
This Incarnate, Iridikron, asked the warlord what she would be willing to do to end the reign of the Aspects.
The warlord answered as any djaradin would: We would do anything.
Iridikron offered not power, but allies. An alliance of the Primalists and djaradin against the dragonflights.

Doesn't get more clear than this I reckon.

[BaumanKing]

I like how human armor looks like a mixture of Varian's armor, Lothar's armor, and a footman armor from the movie. I hope Lothar is at least mentioned in the questline. I'd like to see something related to Stormwind's past in general, like the Gnoll War, the Gurubashi War or the First War. It will be terrible if the questline is all about Anduin Wrynn tho.

Orc armor is fine, i guess, definitely reminiscent of orcish grunt's aesthetic. But I'd rather see more red. Hell, I'd rather see something similar to Doomhammer's armor since we already have a lot of grunts sets. Both Doomhammer and Lothar deserve more recognition in lore.

[Atticon]

So did they keep the Warden armor on that one-year timegate that was datamined from the PTR?