The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Marlamin]

Whatever, friend. If you want to be a pragmatist that's fine. I'm here to speculate and get hype.

By all means, but you're also not one of the people getting constantly disappointed (and complaining about it in a rather negative manner).

[Marlamin]

Also, I've been looking into that "Frontier" thing a bit more. Turns out it's just the name of one of the models, not necessarily the entire kit/related models. Currently connecting the models together to see what truly belongs to that "kit". Right now it appears to be pretty old, predating most of Dragonflight's other models/development. It might have been part of a Dragonflight intro experience/playtest very early on and got scrapped (hence why they're unfinished and untouched since 10.0.0), but further investigation is needed.

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Speaking of which, I wonder if there's news in 4 min.

I am still expecting a 10.1.7 PTR build this week, although it's probably content locked at this point.

[Catastrophy349]

Honestly, it's better to "speculate" on the lore and content of the patches than the "dates". It's just semantics and trying to find patterns. I did all the math already, and clearly it means nothing. So, clearly they don't have a "pattern" for announcing content, it was just an anomoly. However, I think a 10.1.7 cinematic is still certainly in the cards for the week.

Best thing to do is just focus on the lore/future content. Then, when news drops, we can talk about it, instead of hyper focusing on the "when" which is clearly not worth the stress.

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It's honestly crazy to me how close we are to encrypted story content in 10.1.7, 10.2 news, Blizzcon, etc. So exciting!

[Skildar]

Also, I've been looking into that "Frontier" thing a bit more. Turns out it's just the name of one of the models, not necessarily the entire kit/related models. Currently connecting the models together to see what truly belongs to that "kit". Right now it appears to be pretty old, predating most of Dragonflight's other models/development. It might have been part of a Dragonflight intro experience/playtest very early on and got scrapped (hence why they're unfinished and untouched since 10.0.0), but further investigation is needed.

Could it be tied to the barrens warfront, that never came, development? Maybe it's from the same period I seem to remember that a lot of assets where found during BfA and never appeared in game

[Marlamin]

Could it be tied to the barrens warfront, that never came, development? Maybe it's from the same period I seem to remember that a lot of assets where found during BfA and never appeared in game

It is definitely far more recent than that.

[micwini]

It is definitely far more recent than that.

Tied to revamp?

[Marlamin]

Tied to revamp?

If only there was a "is revamp" flag on these models, then one could tell.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If only there was a "is revamp" flag on these models, then one could tell.

That would be far too obvious.




Or a brilliant troll move for dataminers. Hmmm...

[Catastrophy349]

I'm conflicted, personally. I have "no expectations/hopes" for 11.0. I've always been of the mindset that Blizzard could literally announce anything for a new expansion and I'll eat it up lol.

[Santandame]

He's on a constant string of hopium. I'm keeping it real.

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Yeah, whatever, I'll see y'all the week of September 5th

You don’t need to respond to everything. Just apply some humility and move on.

Either way, we’re going to get news when we get news. Not the end of the world that we haven’t gotten anything, and when it does come it will be nice.

Hype can still accumulate in lieu of this.

[KurtMash]

So far, seven versions of WoW were placed on Azeroth, and only three outside of it. Whenever the expansions takes place outside of Azeroth, people want to go back. At the same time, space on a world map is limited and Blizz is running out of islands big enough to facilitate their own expac. I would expect, that with the backside of Azeroth Blizz wants to make more space and lore to be explored without leaving the planet. The question is - would a small island, regular expac style, be sufficient? Or do we need something more substantial? A new continent, with half of it hidden with magic, so that things can be added to it later? A big new continent added all at once (not likely)? Or maybe, Warcraft 4 expanding the lore behind the backside of Azeroth to familiarize us with zones that could later be introduced to WoW?

[Darkarath]

So far, seven versions of WoW were placed on Azeroth, and only three outside of it. Whenever the expansions takes place outside of Azeroth, people want to go back. At the same time, space on a world map is limited and Blizz is running out of islands big enough to facilitate their own expac. I would expect, that with the backside of Azeroth Blizz wants to make more space and lore to be explored without leaving the planet. The question is - would a small island, regular expac style, be sufficient? Or do we need something more substantial? A new continent, with half of it hidden with magic, so that things can be added to it later? A big new continent added all at once (not likely)? Or maybe, Warcraft 4 expanding the lore behind the backside of Azeroth to familiarize us with zones that could later be introduced to WoW?

Ohhhh, how amazing would it be if they were to announce Warcraft 4 along the next WoW expansion? It would be a really good way to introduce The Other Side of Azeroth and Avaloren (I am guessing that they are at least two different continents), so that we actually care about what is happening there.

BTW, again, no news today. I am guessing that we will not get anything until next week. It is really frustrating but at the same time, when 10.2 is announced, we will have something new and shiny to look at right until Blizzcon.

Good times ahead of us indeed.

[Darkarath]

I'm not a fan of people wanting to go back to Azeroth every time we leave it. Honestly just seems like they're bitching for the sake of it to me.

The thing is that of the three times that we have been out of Azeroth, two have been absolutely disastrous (WoD and SL), especially lore-wise.

I am not against the cosmic theme, but I think that the Legion approach works better for now (a patch centered in another planet / plane / dimension / cosmic stuff). Keep building the cosmic theme until there is actually a lore reason to go out of Azeroth, and make people excited about it. Another cosmic trip in which Blizzard pull from its ass another SL which inhabitants are suddenly responsible for everything that has happened since the beginning of time, and WoW's lore would not be able to recover from it. Hell, it has not recover from SL yet.

Chris Metzen is there again so hopefully things will be alright.

[Revamp Man]

I kinda want a mini revamp
A handful of zones with more redone each patch

Plus side is the ones who scream for a 100% revamp will say it's awful but still play

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I kinda want a mini revamp
A handful of zones with more redone each patch

Plus side is the ones who scream for a 100% revamp will say it's awful but still play

Hate playing unintentionally define some wow players.

[Kiivar86]

I'm not a fan of people wanting to go back to Azeroth every time we leave it. Honestly just seems like they're bitching for the sake of it to me.

It always struck me as a little amusing how some people belly ached so much about leaving Azeroth, as though we were gone for multiple expansions and not just, one.

[Luck4]

Chris Metzen is there again so hopefully things will be alright.

I believe Chris Metzen can still fix things because even when we had the first two "filler" expansions (Warlords/Pandaria), he managed to make it cohesive at the same time that both expansions felt like a proper progression of events.

Although I agree that Warlords was a bad expansion in general, it was mostly due to a lack of content, the lore was acceptable if we ignore the damage caused by the alternate time/travel time plot holes.

Metzen left in Legion, and the lore took a massive nosedive as soon BFA pre-patch events started.

It could be a coincidence? For sure! But I think it's not.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It always struck me as a little amusing how some people belly ached so much about leaving Azeroth, as though we were gone for multiple expansions and not just, one.

Shadowlands derangement.

[Luck4]

I'm not a fan of people wanting to go back to Azeroth every time we leave it. Honestly just seems like they're bitching for the sake of it to me.

I don't think leaving Azeroth to explore other planets is a bad thing; this rule only applies to Cosmic planes such as Shadow/Void/Life/Order/ETC-lands, where they change the established rules and lore to create stuff out of the blue.

For instance, I still think that the Argus plot not being covered in a fully-fledged expansion was a mistake.

[micwini]

I believe Chris Metzen can still fix things because even when we had the first two "filler" expansions (Warlords/Pandaria), he managed to make it cohesive at the same time that both expansions felt like a proper progression of events.

Although I agree that Warlords was a bad expansion in general, it was mostly due to a lack of content, the lore was acceptable if we ignore the damage caused by the alternate time/travel time plot holes.

Metzen left in Legion, and the lore took a massive nosedive as soon BFA pre-patch events started.

It could be a coincidence? For sure! But I think it's not.

WoD lore was probably only bad BECAUSE of the cut content. It truly felt like a part of the story was missing too, in addition to the missing gameplay content.