The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Limayria]

I wonder what weapons an artificer would use. Your standard ranged weapons (guns, bows, crossbows) would make sense. I wonder if they could get a unique weapon type, though. Like, dual wielding one handed guns or something. I feel like power fists are also pretty iconic for artificers.

One handed pistols would be a nice addition in general, would be nice as an off hand for outlaw rogues or as an option for hunters even potentially

Id love a single one handed pistol gunslinger spec somewhere too but idk how good of a fit it'd be for an artificer

[Super Dickmann]

re: Dagran, the main concern I’d have with him is that becoming a major character in modern WoW usually leads to a lobotomy. I’m skeptical what works with him would survive as he’s thrust further front and center and thus under higher demand to become a better role model for WoW’s next Very Special Episode.

Low risk. Despite his cutesier design he's still ultimately a short gray guy and thus not vested with the superlative genetics that would allow him to teach us about world peace the way Anduin and Long-Eared Anduin can do it. Past that, I don't mind Dagran. In regards to their family drama stories, Moira's short story was by far the best of the bunch in TWW and her and her son's only hangup is that because the plot completely veered off-course it didn't really follow up on anywhere. Their other problem is that the Dark Iron have been thoroughly neutered, but that's something that dates back to Mists, so like with complaints about Blood Elves being soft it's a ship that sailed when some of the players of this game weren't even a sperm.

Him being the face of a new Tinker class + Brann's kit in TWW seems like a no-brainer, no leaks required. Brinthe's Doc Ock arms would be nice to have as a player.

[Count Zero]

I wonder what weapons an artificer would use. Your standard ranged weapons (guns, bows, crossbows) would make sense. I wonder if they could get a unique weapon type, though. Like, dual wielding one handed guns or something. I feel like power fists are also pretty iconic for artificers.

It'd be nice if a second class could use bows/guns, but then that would leave glaives as the odd weapon type out

[Super Dickmann]

It'd be nice if a second class could use bows/guns, but then that would leave glaives as the odd weapon type out

Yet more reasons why Blizzard should bite the bullet and roll glaives into swords.

[Sondrelk]

Yet more reasons why Blizzard should bite the bullet and roll glaives into swords.

Would probably look weird to ahve them sheathed on the hip. But honestly, that might be just the incentive needed to add a transmog update to let you choose where your weapons are sheathed.

[Enrif]

Would probably look weird to ahve them sheathed on the hip. But honestly, that might be just the incentive needed to add a transmog update to let you choose where your weapons are sheathed.

some swords are sheathed on the back. no reason to not continue to have warglaive models sheathed on the back as swords

[Sondrelk]

some swords are sheathed on the back. no reason to not continue to have warglaive models sheathed on the back as swords

That's true. And I do want more characters to be able to transmog warglaives when there are so many cool models. Especially love the sindragosa warglaive in the Trading Post right now, which will probably never be used.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

I’ll readily admit Lovecraft was still ultimately a pulp writer and the purity of his cosmic horror fluctuated. While N’Zoth bragging about how good he is at manipulating people while having no charisma or intelligence in any demonstrable way is absolutely insufferable, the most insufferable thing about it is that N’Zoth sucks and modern WoW dialogue is awful, irrespective of who it comes from. If Dimensius had any unworkable shortcoming, it’s much less that he could be beaten or clearly express personality (he didn’t anyway, but I digress) and more that there is nothing interesting to do with a big voidwalker, and any good depiction of the void lords would need to be something other than big voidwalkers in substance, and Dimensius was crippled by virtue of already having appeared as a big voidwalker whose only defining characteristic is being a Galactus knockoff.

Agreed, a giant voidwalker isn't interesting especially compared to the old gods. Which is most likely a good reason why Chris Metzen and the story writers wanted to get rid of him asap. A good chance they'll have the old gods return somehow too especially the one that was ripped out by Aman'Thul. A prime old god with the full might of the black empire would be amazing to fight against.

It's the same for pure void stuff aka purple and different shaped voidwalkers aka Dominar as they want them all dealt with in Midnight so they could move on to greater, more powerful, and cooler threats in the Last Titan. While the Legion was green/fel but at least the demons were powerful, cool, and diverse enough to last for a long time and still be interesting.

Looking forward to the Ula'tek, Lightbloom, and especially the Nightmare of Harradar threat. Although I'm still interested in the Void Storm and the pure void threat in it but yeah definitely just want them done in Midnight.

[Hitei]

some swords are sheathed on the back. no reason to not continue to have warglaive models sheathed on the back as swords

I don't think these are actually the same anchor point, for the record, pretty sure glaives shit significantly higher up. But perhaps more important is that much like how swords and axes look really wonky with DH animations, warglaives look really goofy with a whole lot of non-DH animations.

[Joshuaj]

Agreed, a giant voidwalker isn't interesting especially compared to the old gods. Which is most likely a good reason why Chris Metzen and the story writers wanted to get rid of him asap. A good chance they'll have the old gods return somehow too especially the one that was ripped out by Aman'Thul. A prime old god with the full might of the black empire would be amazing to fight against.

It's the same for pure void stuff aka purple and different shaped voidwalkers aka Dominar as they want them all dealt with in Midnight so they could move on to greater, more powerful, and cooler threats in the Last Titan. While the Legion was green/fel but at least the demons were powerful, cool, and diverse enough to last for a long time and still be interesting.

Looking forward to the Ula'tek, Lightbloom, and especially the Nightmare of Harradar threat. Although I'm still interested in the Void Storm and the pure void threat in it but yeah definitely just want them done in Midnight.

Yeah, I noticed you don't like Dimensius, which is why he's nowhere on your power list for some unknown reason...

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Which is funny, as Dimensius is among the top 3 foes we've faced in WoW so far, alongside Zovaal and Argus. Not counting Xal yet cause Midnight ain't out, and we haven't been in a fight with her yet.

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"A prime old god with the full might of the black empire would be amazing to fight against."

Wait wait wait wait wait...

When you say "prime Old God", are you talking about the possibility of an Old God fully growing, like as displayed in not just the Void planets during Legion, but the HS mercenaries Yogg-Saron art as well?

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Cause as cool as the mercenaries Yogg-Saron art is, we have NO idea how powerful he'd be. For all we know, he'd simply be Void Lord level, possibly even weaker, since beings like Dimensius can theoretically grow to being bigger than the entire universe. Hell, maybe I'm overhyping him, but if Dimensius won, it's entirely possible he'd grow and consume not just the multiverse, but the cosmic realms as well, until all were consumed by Shadow's influence.

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Bro would end up being bigger than that fucking Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Break ability from Gurren Lagann

[Houle]

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And hed still just be a big purple cloud. The point is that hes neither visually nor conceptually appealing, compared to what the OGs used to be.

Hes to the OGs what the Nippler was to the LK - the story says in theory hes "bigger and badder" and their creator and whatever, but hes just so much worse in all the ways that count (design, characterization, role in the story, presentation) that people dont give a crap.

[Eldryth]

I wonder what weapons an artificer would use. Your standard ranged weapons (guns, bows, crossbows) would make sense. I wonder if they could get a unique weapon type, though. Like, dual wielding one handed guns or something. I feel like power fists are also pretty iconic for artificers.

Honestly, you can make a strong case for nearly any weapon type.

• Ranged weapons are horribly underutilized, and they (especially guns) would fit very well with technology.
• Warcraft's most iconic Artificers- the Draenei ones- tend to be melee fighters who use gadgets, and given how many warrior-like followers the Titans have, it'd be a good fit for a class based on them too.
• If it uses magic as well, given how much Titan stuff tends to mix magic and technology- as that "leak" suggests- then an actual caster using caster weapons would also work.

Personally, I'd say maybe ranged weapons for DPS, melee weapons for tanks, and either ranged weapons or caster weapons for healers?

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

And hed still just be a big purple cloud. The point is that hes neither visually nor conceptually appealing, compared to what the OGs used to be.

Hes to the OGs what the Nippler was to the LK - the story says in theory hes "bigger and badder" and their creator and whatever, but hes just so much worse in all the ways that count (design, characterization, role in the story, presentation) that people dont give a crap.

Amen!

The old gods were way cooler and the prime old god would wipe Dimensius's ass. I can see a cool Chronicles 5 lore update coming. The strongest old god that was ripped out of Azeroth coming back would be beyond the power of all villains in wow besides Sargeras of course.

[Limayria]

Yet more reasons why Blizzard should bite the bullet and roll glaives into swords.

Yeah just what we need is less animation types for weapons lul

They should add racials which allow certain races to always transmog specific weapons, warglaives for nelves/belves/velves

Axes for orcs

Swords for humans

Etc


But rolling warglaives into swords would destroy demon hunter animations, and warglaives look stupid as fuck using 1h sword animations as you can see by the warglaives that are swords like the nightborn time walking ones

+ We'd still have agi daggers used only by two specs of one class just like ranged weapons are currently

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Yeah, I noticed you don't like Dimensius, which is why he's nowhere on your power list for some unknown reason...

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Which is funny, as Dimensius is among the top 3 foes we've faced in WoW so far, alongside Zovaal and Argus. Not counting Xal yet cause Midnight ain't out, and we haven't been in a fight with her yet.

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"A prime old god with the full might of the black empire would be amazing to fight against."

Wait wait wait wait wait...

When you say "prime Old God", are you talking about the possibility of an Old God fully growing, like as displayed in not just the Void planets during Legion, but the HS mercenaries Yogg-Saron art as well?

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Cause as cool as the mercenaries Yogg-Saron art is, we have NO idea how powerful he'd be. For all we know, he'd simply be Void Lord level, possibly even weaker, since beings like Dimensius can theoretically grow to being bigger than the entire universe. Hell, maybe I'm overhyping him, but if Dimensius won, it's entirely possible he'd grow and consume not just the multiverse, but the cosmic realms as well, until all were consumed by Shadow's influence.

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Bro would end up being bigger than that fucking Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Break ability from Gurren Lagann

Sargeras the Dark Titan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time Father Aman'Thul >>>>Prime old god >>Umbral Veil Azshara >> Aegywnn>>Avatar of Sargeras >> End Game Xal'atath >>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Infused Grom Hellscream the Warcraft version of Horus in the Horus Hersey >>> Newborn Argus >>>> Dimensius > Zovaal >> Lich King > Lei Shen > Deathwing.

Thanks for remining me, I forgot Dimensius in my sig, I will update it now.

[Joshuaj]

Sargeras the Dark Titan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time Father Aman'Thul >>>>Prime old god >>Umbral Veil Azshara >> Aegywnn>>Avatar of Sargeras >> End Game Xal'atath >>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Infused Grom Hellscream the Warcraft version of Horus in the Horus Hersey >>> Newborn Argus >>>> Dimensius > Zovaal >> Lich King > Lei Shen > Deathwing.

Thanks for remining me, I forgot Dimensius in my sig, I will update it now.

I mean, you also forgot the First Ones and Azeroth lmao

[Cheezits]

Heard from a friend of a friend take it worth a grain of salt.
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I like all of this except the Limit Break shit as the supposed only new non-Artificer feature. Add spell customization for fucks sake.

Also I seriously doubt the idea that we won't see Ulduar until (supposedly) 13.2. But I do love Magatha being confirmed as the Primalist leader, perfect for a Thrall and maybe Baine showdown.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

I mean, you also forgot the First Ones and Azeroth lmao

First One and Azeroth would the only two above Sargeras at the moment. But Sargeras is the type of guy that will gain new heights of power judging from how his character is from other story. He'll basically go to Infinity Gauntlet -> Cosmic Cube -> Heart of the Multiverse -> Astral Regulator.

Sargeras will end up beating the crap out of The One before the First Ones aka WoWs version of the One Above All just like how Thanos eventually defeated the One Above All with the Astral Regulator. Which means Sargeras will reach a level even above the multiverse in Warcraft mode. Warcraft Sargeras > The One who Sits Above the First Ones > Azeroth the transcendent.

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I like all of this except the Limit Break shit as the supposed only new non-Artificer feature. Add spell customization for fucks sake.

Also I seriously doubt the idea that we won't see Ulduar until (supposedly) 13.2. But I do love Magatha being confirmed as the Primalist leader, perfect for a Thrall and maybe Baine showdown.

Limit Break sounds awesome as lorewise it's like a whole new tier of power after breaking our limits kinda like Saitama in One Punch Man. And we will need the biggest powerups since The Last Titan should finally dethrone Legion as the biggest strongest threat ever.

I better see most of the major factions involved again but this time they could go about this a different way, like the Naga, Qiraji, Army of Light, Mantid, Faceless, Elisande, the good Demon faction hinted in Midnight, etc all aid us against the Titan's galactic space droids. Instead of Class Halls, we'll get armies to aid us.

There's way too many classes now so doing so many class halls might not be ideal for them but dividing them into multiple big factions would be great.

[Santandame]

Baffles me slightly that the old world has all these known lore island locations such as Tel’abim, Balor, Zul’dare, Plunder Isle, Hiji etc but none of them have been been used yet for smaller patch content in favour of some of these OC islands such as the Siren Isle.

Sadly, I think it’s clear at this point a South Seas expansion is very sadly not to ever be the case. So I’m not sure why some of these haven’t been utilised in a patch sense yet over some of these OC islands we’ve gotten.

I suppose if we ever do get Kalimdor and southern EK revamps, Tel’abim and Plunder Isle could respectively fit into those. Though I wouldn’t ever rule out the possibility of Tel’abim being given the Zandalar treatment.

[Joshuaj]

Larry, I don't think you understand what the First Ones actually represent. Assuming there is nothing above the First Ones (which, at the moment, we have no idea), then they're quite literally the Yog-Sothoth or TOAA or The Source of WoW. Heck, the heart of the pattern is basically the WoW equivalent of the Overvoid. Though, ofc, the Overvoid is all white (as it represents the blank canvas of all creation), while the heart of the pattern is encompassed by the Progenitors themselves.

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The WoW equivalent of the Hands would likely be the Automa, though the Automa appear to be greater in number, and maybe not as mighty in a lot of cases, as a lot of the creation things are done VIA forges and whatnot.