The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Limayria]

I would once again like to bring up that the magisters at the sanctum of the sun specifically mentioned trying to grow plants that can be harvested for mana to mana balance planets besides azeorth


And also the naga working for/running a smuggling company and collecting mana crystals

[Nymrohd]

They can call those Void Elf houses.

Would Void Elf housing look like Blood Elf at a different color though? It would work I suppose, it would effectively say "they are just elves with a little void problem".
Normally I'd say the Void should help define Void Elves moreso than just switching a couple of colors with unique architecture that is inspire by Telorgus and the Voidstorm

[Joshuaj]

WoW. Why did we allow the thread to once again go down the Shadowlands rabbit hole, aswell as WEIRD powerlevel "discussions"? Can we please .... stop feeding, and go back to the actual thread? Like, housing, Ula'teks isle, blood elf bartender transmog or anything else actual relevant? Have you guys finished your end of patch season goals yet?


Yeah, it's the same reason they disabled the outside fire stuff for now. But isn't it already so that specific stuff won't load 'till you are close enough to the housing spot?

Also, something is bugged with the phase loading as my house always changes it's entry on the outside haha.

While the powerscaling stuff ain't relevant, sure, the stuff regarding SLs story content is still pretty darn relevant, I feel. Hard to really ignore that part when the First Ones lore has potential big implications regarding our worldsoul, as well as the fact that the Shadowlands keep being brought up in the expansions after.

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I would once again like to bring up that the magisters at the sanctum of the sun specifically mentioned trying to grow plants that can be harvested for mana to mana balance planets besides azeorth


And also the naga working for/running a smuggling company and collecting mana crystals

Interesting regarding the mana usage. I wonder where that's gonna eventually lead.

[Limayria]

While the powerscaling stuff ain't relevant, sure, the stuff regarding SLs story content is still pretty darn relevant, I feel. Hard to really ignore that part when the First Ones lore has potential big implications regarding our worldsoul, as well as the fact that the Shadowlands keep being brought up in the expansions after.

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Interesting regarding the mana usage. I wonder where that's gonna eventually lead.

Yeah, I'm not at my pc rn but when I get back I'll try and upload a screen shot. I was thinking it might have been in regards to outland but it seems that the research was happening fairly recently so idk how well that'd line up

[Lady Atia]

While the powerscaling stuff ain't relevant, sure, the stuff regarding SLs story content is still pretty darn relevant, I feel. Hard to really ignore that part when the First Ones lore has potential big implications regarding our worldsoul, as well as the fact that the Shadowlands keep being brought up in the expansions after.

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Interesting regarding the mana usage. I wonder where that's gonna eventually lead.

Yeah, but 1000 words long fanfictions about it for sure aren't relevant, we have the lore forum for that (same with the power level shit).

And we literally had a new patch release (the last before the pre-patch, meaning it's 5 minutes to midnight :P), aswell as a new build with stuff like the thallasian X titles for professions. Or the changed raiding housing rewards (they seemingly did remove them from cutting edge which is just dumb but whatever).

Even talking about your goals to do before the pre patch would be more interesting than .... whatever convo I had to read through on the last pages, holy dragonball macaroni.

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Yeah, I'm not at my pc rn but when I get back I'll try and upload a screen shot. I was thinking it might have been in regards to outland but it seems that the research was happening fairly recently so idk how well that'd line up

Could be a nice lore tie in for Bloodelf Druids. We already had one back in the Botanica (?) dungeon.

[Joshuaj]

Idk about fanfics. It's all speculation atm.

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Yeah, I'm not at my pc rn but when I get back I'll try and upload a screen shot. I was thinking it might have been in regards to outland but it seems that the research was happening fairly recently so idk how well that'd line up

If it is Outland-based, then that furthers the idea of it being a future upcoming expac for sure.

[rainhard]

I don't even think player PC performance would get worse if the cap was 400 or 500 lol.

My GPU runs at 100% when im in the housing isles so it probably is not trivial for people with even worse gpus. (mines an nvidia 1660 Ti)

[Lady Atia]

My GPU runs at 100% when im in the housing isles so it probably is not trivial for people with even worse gpus. (mines an nvidia 1660 Ti)

Isn't that one already no longer supported by Nvidia? Like, maybe people who have something older than that should look to replace their hardware instead of having the game being held back by it.

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Idk about fanfics. It's all speculation atm.

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If it is Outland-based, then that furthers the idea of it being a future upcoming expac for sure.

Not sure if we really need that after WoD. But than again, they did say in the blood ties novel that Auchindoun was rebuild so .... idk. Silvermoon and Northrend make sense as they are the oldest part of the world, same with EK/Kalimdor. But Outland basically got his "member Draenor" expansion already. And TWW/Midnight gave us Netherstorm 2.0 and 3.0 with K'aresh and Voidstorm.

[Joshuaj]

Y'all, I'm so serious...

I'm starting to doubt the 7th being a separate thing entirely. It legit might just be the worldsouls lmao

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Isn't that one already no longer supported by Nvidia? Like, maybe people who have something older than that should look to replace their hardware instead of having the game being held back by it.

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Not sure if we really need that after WoD. But than again, they did say in the blood ties novel that Auchindoun was rebuild so .... idk. Silvermoon and Northrend make sense as they are the oldest part of the world, same with EK/Kalimdor. But Outland basically got his "member Draenor" expansion already. And TWW/Midnight gave us Netherstorm 2.0 and 3.0 with K'aresh and Voidstorm.

WoD isn't Outland, and Outland is both withering away and going through some reconstruction (Namely with Auchindoun and whatnot). It can work, especially if it's in a Demon War expac across different worlds.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

I really hope we’ll get to see K’aresh in the future — the 10.2 epilogue felt really cut short and and incomprehensible, they could’ve at least had him address to Ethereals somehow.

And it really would be cool if K’aresh looked like the original k’areshi before they turned into Ethereals.

There's still a chance since it's slowly healing at least. So perhaps several expansions from now it could emerge as a Ethereal Titan. They could still show K'aresh as soon as the Last Titan but it'll be a newborn Titan like Argus.

I also think there's a high chance they would start introducing more world souls that managed to evolve on it's own and turn into non Pantheon Titans so perhaps we'll see a Light Titan and Void Titan just to gain some allies against the Pantheon if they're evil cause they'll be the greatest threat we faced so far in all of WoW.

[Super Dickmann]

The current patch prominently features the Shadowlands. If anything we'd be veering off-topic if we discussed anything else.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

I would once again like to bring up that the magisters at the sanctum of the sun specifically mentioned trying to grow plants that can be harvested for mana to mana balance planets besides azeorth


And also the naga working for/running a smuggling company and collecting mana crystals

I'll like to see Dar'khan Drathir coming back once again for the 5th time and trying to give it another go at consuming the sunwell's power. Perhaps this time he'll also be going Fel. Dude is like the Jason Voorhees of WoW, keeps coming back somehow.

Definitely want to see Nagas involved again and some more info on Azshara.

[Thros]

Y'all, I'm so serious...

I'm starting to doubt the 7th being a separate thing entirely. It legit might just be the worldsouls lmao

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WoD isn't Outland, and Outland is both withering away and going through some reconstruction (Namely with Auchindoun and whatnot). It can work, especially if it's in a Demon War expac across different worlds.

Honestly, the world souls being the 7th really in some sense works, especially with " The six forces that pointed towards a seventh, and yet denied it. Did they desire union? The song seemed to say otherwise. Both were, yet only one could be." In a sense, all cosmic powers are forcefully adopting/destroying each of them and there can't be a true union in constant opposition, and only one can land victorious. So yeah i can see merit in that thought.

[Joshuaj]

Honestly, the world souls being the 7th really in some sense works, especially with "Did they desire union? The song seemed to say otherwise. Both were, yet only one could be." In a sense, all cosmic powers are forcefully adopting/destroying each of them there can't be a true union in constant opposition, and only one can land victorious. So yeah i can see merit in that thought.

Exactly!!!

I have another idea, what if the Worldsouls and Azeroth are truly portions of a Progenitor known as "Element"?

Imagine, the 7 First Ones- Light, Shadow, Order, Disorder, Life, Death, and Element!

[Lady Atia]

I'll like to see Dar'khan Drathir coming back once again for the 5th time and trying to give it another go at consuming the sunwell's power. Perhaps this time he'll also be going Fel. Dude is like the Jason Voorhees of WoW, keeps coming back somehow.

Definitely want to see Nagas involved again and some more info on Azshara.

That would be cool indeed, isn't he featured in the beta already? (I haven't done the quests this time cause of uni stress)

And I guess Azshara is saved as the villain for the next saga.

[Super Dickmann]

Moving away from the powerscaling side of things in itself, this digression has me thinking where Deathwing worked despite him typically not being a villain anyone thinks about on account of his lacking personality. While his personality was barely existent beyond raving and Dragon Soul infamously sucked, I'm honestly convinced he was one of WoW's better executions of a villain that's supposed to be powerful where actually demonstrating that power and using it to make him feel like a threat was concerned. His armor had to be pried off, he had to be crashed into the ocean (and specifically a storm made from the collapse of a nexus of magical power), and then he had to be whittled down with the help of four of the most powerful beings on Azeroth at the time and finally killed with the Dragon Soul. This combined with his regular appearances in questing (including to fry zones) that didn't universally end with him shaking his fist like Dr. Claw while spending most of his screentime losing ground like Arthas did and the fact his presence in the world entailed serious physical changes made him feel like some semblance of a threat, even if whatever menace he earned was seriously undermined by the fact he was a shell of his original personality and still flew away when he showed up because the good guys needed to not die.

Take it with a grain of salt as to the contary of the praise I've heaped on Cataclysm's faction and especially Horde content re: the revamp, it's easily one of the worst executed main plots they've done and until late SL beat it out with the Bald Man, Cata Deathwing was among the worst villains. The constant pisstake that he kinda forgot he could've destroyed the world at will is really a symptom that he has something they've mostly managed to repeat since, and that's that he's the only antagonist who's at his peak threat at the very start and only falls behind from then on. Even the Iron Horde, the main other culprit of this, still is more dangerous by virtue of becoming a proxy for the Legion and being headed by Gul'dan, a cool villain, by its final appearance. Deathwing never has more reach, power or followers than at the very start and most everyone who works for him (outside of book appearances *cough* Benedictus) dies Day 1. Due to the chopped up release schedule he also spends most of the time between launch and the final patch related in peripheral schemes that barely make any sense while side threats come front and center.

And these threats can only be peripheral because the game, much like with the Bald Man later, can't decide what kind of character he is. He's at his most effective (if the least related to any prior appearance) when he's basically just a giant Godzilla with one of the best fantasy evil dragon designs out there. He's at his worst as a manipulator with no clear goal, because what exactly he's trying to do except sow minor inconveniences isn't nailed down and how smart he's meant to be also isn't. He's not helped by the Twilight's Hammer being the only villain faction to this day which is dependent largely on outside materials (namely the WoW comic) to parse and are essentially the most generic doomsday cult out there. Oh, and his final raid is just godawful, truly terrible stuff, the laziest they've ever made.

Past all that though, I think he mostly works at his best because of spectacle. He's a big monster that doesn't talk too much if you ignore the shitty side materials, he has a great design and intro and he has the most effect on the world of any non-faction character - everything else that happens in the expansion revolves around what he did. The destruction and opportunity he spreads characterizes him and makes him more impactful than anything about him personally and more than 90% of villains who aren't Arthas or Garrosh ever do, without having main character status in 3/8 campaigns of the RTS and being faction leader did for Garrosh. However much Cata Deathwing sucks, what he lead to was great.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

That would be cool indeed, isn't he featured in the beta already? (I haven't done the quests this time cause of uni stress)

And I guess Azshara is saved as the villain for the next saga.

Nice! Did not know he's back but I guess I shouldn't be surprised since this expansion involves the blood elves a lot.

Haven't been looking up too much spoilers as I spend most of my free time on Warcraft Reforge while waiting for Minights release. Although I definitely don't mind reading spoilers either if it comes my way.

Maybe she could show up for a brief moment or her minions at least in a small quest like she ordered some of her nagas to capture some pure void and Dominaar for their own experiments which will be revealed in the future expansion she's more involved in.

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Take it with a grain of salt as to the contary of the praise I've heaped on Cataclysm's faction and especially Horde content re: the revamp, it's easily one of the worst executed main plots they've done and until late SL beat it out with the Bald Man, Cata Deathwing was among the worst villains. The constant pisstake that he kinda forgot he could've destroyed the world at will is really a symptom that he has something they've mostly managed to repeat since, and that's that he's the only antagonist who's at his peak threat at the very start and only falls behind from then on. Even the Iron Horde, the main other culprit of this, still is more dangerous by virtue of becoming a proxy for the Legion and being headed by Gul'dan, a cool villain, by its final appearance. Deathwing never has more reach, power or followers than at the very start and most everyone who works for him (outside of book appearances *cough* Benedictus) dies Day 1. Due to the chopped up release schedule he also spends most of the time between launch and the final patch related in peripheral schemes that barely make any sense while side threats come front and center.
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I never liked Deathwing and he was only the third strongest dragon after the great and mighty Galakrond and Chromatus, or the fifth if we involve no moral Nozdurmu and Malygos.

But Cataclysm is in a weird spot for me as I dislike the main villain from it Deathwing but it's still one of my favorite expansions because it got a bunch of cool zones and enemies. Naga, Faceless Ones, Demons, Elementals, demigods, elemental lords, dragon aspects, faction war etc. I don't like faction wars anymore but at that time I still did so it was a plus. And I like all the starting zones and revamps to update the lore on old zones.

[Thros]

Exactly!!!

I have another idea, what if the Worldsouls and Azeroth are truly portions of a Progenitor known as "Element"?

Imagine, the 7 First Ones- Light, Shadow, Order, Disorder, Life, Death, and Element!

Oh yeah, seeing elemental representative in the first ones would be nice, considering most of the cosmic power pantheons make use of it, but also the seventh could be the song, considering it's the whole schtick of the world souls and that perhaps that very same seventh song brought the other six in union to create the universe.

But then again a song is made of elements, so it's one of the same, and it's how Azeroth elementals on a basic note work with spirit being the harmony to the other elements, which in turn have rhythm, just as a song has harmony, rhythm, etc.

[Joshuaj]

Oh yeah, seeing elemental representative in the first ones would be nice, considering most of the cosmic power pantheons make use of it, but also the seventh could be the song, considering it's the whole schtick of the world souls and that perhaps that very same seventh song brought the other six in union to create the universe.

But then again a song is made of elements, so it's one of the same, and it's how Azeroth elementals on a basic note work with spirit being the harmony to the other elements, which in turn have rhythm, just as a song has harmony, rhythm, etc.

It does seem like there are 2 songs working within the cosmos. I like to think both are responsible for making everything, yet they're also trying to overcome one another in some way.

Imo, I do think that, since WoW's overarching theme is about unity, we might end up needing to unify these great powers at a certain point.

Maybe the First Ones themselves will awaken eventually and try to stop Azeroth and its Champions, and it'll end with both songs harmonizing or something along those lines, idk.

But yeah, the fact harmony exists between both the elemental ring and the cosmic ring is unique to me, especially since the influences of the First Ones and the Elementals are so against one another, or are trying to use one another for a bigger purpose (like Iridikron and Xal'atath "working together" in some form, or the Old Gods enslaving the Elemental Lords for their own twisted purposes, or some of the Titans existing to master the Elements, etc).

Always found it weird that the Elemental Ring was deemed to be "lesser" than the Cosmic Ring, when it imo is just as important as the other "higher" forces.

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Kinda doesn't help that the Cosmic Chart has the forces point towards the Elemental Ring and the Dark Beyond, as they exist in the center.

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And if Azeroth and the Worldsouls were their own separate song, then it would also explain why the different forces vie for dominance in the Dark Beyond. It's essentially one massive cosmic battleground.

[Dracullus]

Around next week we should get Roadmap. I guess Retail will be pretty straightforward - Midnight/small patches/12.1/Blizzcon. Would be nice to have more than 1 Remix during expansion, especially since there is only 1 Legion size left (BfA), other are either 3 tier (or smaller, looking at you WoD) or doesn't have much going on beside raids/dungeons (pre-MoP).

Classic could be more interesting, cause its time to reveal plans post MoP. One of possibilities (transfer to Retail) would bring huuuuge shitstorm about old FOMO items.