The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

I really liked Ansurek Mythic and BG Blitz was overall a great feature (besides the q syncers or flat out bad players in some games).

Also good that every raid had a mythic mount this time (well, same as dragonflight tbf).

Gally Mythic was the weakest final boss I played since Shadowlands though, really not a fan of that encounter neither as dps nor as a heal, and I played bombs.

Dastardly Duos was flatout baaaaaaaaad.

The car in Undermine was also super bad.

Also not a fan of ?? Kyvezza, but I get that some people had fun with her.

If you count Housing and the flight changes as part of TWW, than that's also a big plus point for both.

Siren Isle was actually fun yee, felt like a weaker timeless isle for a shorter patch.

Ansurek was a pretty great final boss for sure. Might have been a bit too difficult in the first phase, but otherwise a great topper to the raid. Love bosses where each phase feels very distinct, and there is no mistaking the phases of Ansurek.

[Lady Atia]

Ansurek was a pretty great final boss for sure. Might have been a bit too difficult in the first phase, but otherwise a great topper to the raid. Love bosses where each phase feels very distinct, and there is no mistaking the phases of Ansurek.

Yeah, tbh she felt a bit like a better version of the Sylvanas fight (and I already really liked that one besides the length :X).

It will be interesting how raids turn out without addons in Midnight though.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, tbh she felt a bit like a better version of the Sylvanas fight (and I already really liked that one besides the length :X).

It will be interesting how raids turn out without addons in Midnight though.

Definitely going to be growing pains when it comes to non-addon raids in Midnight. Overtuned or undertuned are both equally likely options. Even within the same raid. But I would rather take one season of bad raids, rather than an expansion of mildly annoying from when they try to jury rig around each individual missing addon.

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A highlight of the last two expansions has been that even the dead weight patches don't matter as much as they just don't have a lifespan and there's no expectation they will. Nightfall for example I objectively agree is the worst one, most everything in it (save some lore tidbits I suppose) was pretty disposable. But I can't muster the dislike I have for say, Escalation, Chains of Domination or the selfie cam patch, as it was neither after or leading up to a major draught.

In this respect, I'm also more forgiving of a final patch that's quite barebones by the standards of others, i.e K'aresh. Undermine is probably a bit more complete package, it doesn't have any pointless ancilliaries (e.g. Untethered Space lol). The raid was entertaining, the zone story and side stories, given the obvius restraints was some of their best work without being sanitized the way Undermine's ending undermine itself and its accompanying mini-novella worked well to develop it. I didn't spend a huge amount of time on it, but I enjoyed the vast majority of it. The raid might be doing a lot of heavy lifting to down my opinion of Undermined, the tuning of LoU was weird all around, even as someone who hasn't done mythic in like three expansions.

I probably still prefer the Legion way of spacing out the raid and open world content as a means of giving a constant stream of stuff to do. But the current way of having something small in each patch that can be once and done is definitely alsoa decent option. Especially now that the developers are given plenty of time to make cosmetics to give as rewards for everything.

[Lady Atia]

Definitely going to be growing pains when it comes to non-addon raids in Midnight. Overtuned or undertuned are both equally likely options. Even within the same raid. But I would rather take one season of bad raids, rather than an expansion of mildly annoying from when they try to jury rig around each individual missing addon.

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I probably still prefer the Legion way of spacing out the raid and open world content as a means of giving a constant stream of stuff to do. But the current way of having something small in each patch that can be once and done is definitely alsoa decent option. Especially now that the developers are given plenty of time to make cosmetics to give as rewards for everything.

I mean (recolours of) cosmetics did always exist, they just weren't always used in the past for some weird reason.

The real progress is that open world sets now are on the same level as raid tier sets. (which started with Dragonflight)

[Trazzle]

The car in Undermine was also super bad.

Slander!! The car is absolutely amazing, I’d take DRIVE over dynamic flight any day. The things I’d do to be able to drive outside of Undermine… add a glide function and holy shit we’d be looking at a new era of WoW fun.

Takes some practice and optimization for your style. Iirc, I’m running the extra skid tires (I think they’re the ones from scrapping… but they could be the engi ones) and the ‘balanced’ engine with decent acceleration and top speed.

Sorry for the tangent, just passionate about DRIVE and would absolutely love to see more of it ha.

[Joshuaj]

The car was amazing, tf?

Undermine was just too small

[Kiivar86]

Just to inject some life into the thread for a bit. What were people's favorite and least favorite patch or piece of content. What part of the expansion (besides maybe obvious ones like launch) do you look back at most fondly?

For me it would have to be the Nightfall patch for least favorite, as it really didnt offer anything besides some decent transmog options from Nightfall. And Dastardly Duos which were a complete failure when it came to being anything remotely interesting.
For favorite patch, probably Siren Isle. Reused content or not, it was nice to have good non-flying outdoor content again. And it had just enough variety to feel meaty, even if most of it was reused.

Nightfall I didn't mind overly much but it was also hideously buggy for the longest time (and still is in parts, at least last time I did it). That said, getting more variants of the Arathi gear was great. Dastardly Duos though was so, so bad.

Favorite patch, honestly, surprisingly, Undermine. I've been pretty vocal in the past about disliking the goblins (still do, to a degree) but Undermine was a lot more fun than I expected it to be and once I got the hang of the car, I loved it (not as much as dragon riding though). The patch does have its problems though, for example the various cartels' reputation was way too much and should've been handled more like the various factions of the Severed Threads. And I still don't really like the aesthetic that the goblins use, so that was a downer. But still, I enjoyed myself there.

[Limayria]

The car was amazing, tf?

Undermine was just too small

I agree, I do wish u could find the hand brake and the jump to different buttons though, it's annoying how hard the drifting can be to do

[KyleEverett]

January's Gameinformer issue that's available online today has new artwork from Bayard Wu to advertise housing and Midnight. It apparently has a few tidbits about Northrend in TLT. I'm not paying $32 for it but it exists.

[Hugnomo]

Just to inject some life into the thread for a bit. What were people's favorite and least favorite patch or piece of content. What part of the expansion (besides maybe obvious ones like launch) do you look back at most fondly?

For me it would have to be the Nightfall patch for least favorite, as it really didnt offer anything besides some decent transmog options from Nightfall. And Dastardly Duos which were a complete failure when it came to being anything remotely interesting.
For favorite patch, probably Siren Isle. Reused content or not, it was nice to have good non-flying outdoor content again. And it had just enough variety to feel meaty, even if most of it was reused.

For me, I'd say my favorite was Undermine(d). I just loved the setting, the quests, the car, the raid.
For my least favorite I agree with you, it's Nightfall for me too. I tried it, it was bugged to hell, became frustrated and gave up on it.

[Sondrelk]

For me, I'd say my favorite was Undermine(d). I just loved the setting, the quests, the car, the raid.
For my least favorite I agree with you, it's Nightfall for me too. I tried it, it was bugged to hell, became frustrated and gave up on it.

Undermine(d) was a top tier patch. Just a shame it didn't lean more into the classical Goblin shenanigans more. The last quest with the lawyer and bomb threats being routine during court hearing was solid comedy. Shame we couldn't have more of that.

I guess for me it isn't my favorite on the basis that the theme is so strong, that unless you are looking for that specific thing, it will feel slightly tiring after a while.

Also, it was nice to have a ground only patch again. There is just a different way content is made and approached when you can't fly. And I hope the devs keep making that kind of content.

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January's Gameinformer issue that's available online today has new artwork from Bayard Wu to advertise housing and Midnight. It apparently has a few tidbits about Northrend in TLT. I'm not paying $32 for it but it exists.

Time to bring up the arguments for a global warming Northrend theme once again.

[Khaza-R]

Time to bring up the arguments for a global warming Northrend theme once again.

Hopefully they don't go that route.

I feel like a melted Northrend would be too similar to the Dragon Isles anyway.

[Cheezits]

Hopefully they don't go that route.

I feel like a melted Northrend would be too similar to the Dragon Isles anyway.

Northrend is too similar to Dragon Isles retroactively. Part of the reason I didn't like the DI. Having Tuskarr due to such close proximity is fine, but a Coldarra 2.0 in an arctic zone with Grizzly Hills 2.0? It's fine in a world where Northrend would never appear again but now it puts Northrend in a tough spot. They will probably have to alter the area heavily just to make it less redundant to DF and TWW themes.

Dragonblight especially will be too on the nose to the DI unless Iridikron blows it up, which is hopefully the angle they go with.

[Therougetitan]

I think some snowy areas being melted is fine. If everything except Dragonblight/Icecrown/Stormpeaks were melted that would leave 3 snowy zones still.

Azure span being similar to Grizzly Hills is a non-issue imo. There is like a 5 year difference between when Azure Span was relevant to when Last Titan will probably drop.
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[Sondrelk]

Northrend is too similar to Dragon Isles retroactively. Part of the reason I didn't like the DI. Having Tuskarr due to such close proximity is fine, but a Coldarra 2.0 in an arctic zone with Grizzly Hills 2.0? It's fine in a world where Northrend would never appear again but now it puts Northrend in a tough spot. They will probably have to alter the area heavily just to make it less redundant to DF and TWW themes.

Dragonblight especially will be too on the nose to the DI unless Iridikron blows it up, which is hopefully the angle they go with.

Don't think Grizzly Hills is that big of an issue. Just have it lean heavily into what makes it different.
The overall appearance would be similar. But not enough that it would feel like the same kind of zone.

Dragonblight can easily exist alongside DF as well. Yes, there would be a heavy Dragon presence. But it would just be that one zone, plus maybe Coldarra (which is the most likely to be on the chopping block). And with Iridikron returning, you need a Dragon presence anyways.

[Khaza-R]

I think some snowy areas being melted is fine. If everything except Dragonblight/Icecrown/Stormpeaks were melted that would leave 3 snowy zones still.

Azure span being similar to Grizzly Hills is a non-issue imo. There is like a 5 year difference between when Azure Span was relevant to when Last Titan will probably drop.
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From the leak at least it gets turned into a island chain. The real loss is Howling Fjord which I think would look amazing in modern graphics.

[Joshuaj]

Is there a build today or nah?

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Cause we got a M+ testing thing going on, so it makes me wonder if they're saving the next build til after winter break

[Sondrelk]

From the leak at least it gets turned into a island chain. The real loss is Howling Fjord which I think would look amazing in modern graphics.

No Howling Fjord would easily be the biggest loss. You could bring back the Stormheim Vrykul and everything and make it a real celebration of what made the Vrykul cool in WotLK.
Also plenty of Vrykul weapons and armour.

[Marlamin]

Is there a build today or nah?

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Cause we got a M+ testing thing going on, so it makes me wonder if they're saving the next build til after winter break

UI devs said build ETA was tomorrow, but it could also be sometime today for datamining (ETAs can be off by a day both ways) with the next build ("Beta 6") being in January.

[Joshuaj]

UI devs said build ETA was tomorrow, but it could also be sometime today for datamining (ETAs can be off by a day both ways) with the next build ("Beta 6") being in January.

So, is the next build "build 5"? Or is it build 6, with datamining happening sometime today or tomorrow, and the actual launch of the build happening in January?