The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

She literally teleports in, using the standard teleport spell effect and sound that every other scripted NPC mage teleport scene in the entire game uses, with her name changing from "vision of" to just "Queen Azshara". But go off.

She totally doesn't use forms--except that time that she already did--And she can never possibly alter her form, despite the fact that old god "mutations" have been explicitly, objectively shown to be reversible on numerous occasion. There's totally no reason to believe she could undo a transformation even though countless other transformations have been undone by basically every cosmic power in existence. What a totally wacky and impossible thing.

I dont think you understand the impact of her mutation, she made a deal. In the end it was that or dying. To sustain her she was transformed, basically the crux of her story. She will always have to face what she became in the end. Thats Azshara now.

That one instance, which again functioned as an Illusion literally to fool farondis. A bunch of teleport sounds and some vage assumptions of reversible transformations isnt going to change how it is. I just explained to that this mutation wasnt some random transformation for Azshara, it was life or death. And again sure she is a powerfull spellcaster, but outside this (in the past) Azuna instance we have no reason to believe she is able to undo her mutation or change at will. If that was the case we would have other instanced showcasing that magic, we simply dont.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They're being awfully cagey about what Fyrakk is up to in this patch, despite him being in the name.

Yeah, but its most likely preperation for Fyrakk going after the Green Dragonflight I would think.

[Cheezits]

Yeah, but its most likely preperation for Fyrakk going after the Green Dragonflight I would think.

I think that's fairly obvious, so I'm wondering what the twist is. Maybe an armored look for Fyrakk per the Zaqali's ingots?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I’m with @Hitei. There is nothing to indicate that it was an illusion.

The most powerful sorceress in the history of Azeroth is going to have the ability to have a visage and swap between forms at will.

There’s no way in hell that Azshara thinks her Naga form is just as beautiful as her Highborne form. She’s incredibly vain, but she isn’t stupid.

Couldn't you argue that it actually is more "beautiful" in the same capacity as deep sea life can typically be called beautiful? In a way, it's something far more unique to her than her original form ever was. While she might not exactly be as sexually-attractive to a typical human as she used to be, Azshara could also be admired as a kind of remarkable marine life.

[Hitei]

A bunch of teleport sounds and some vage assumptions of reversible transformations isnt going to change how it is. I just explained to that this mutation wasnt some random transformation for Azshara, it was life or death.

There's no vague assumptions. We have been shown IN GAME, multiple times old god "mutations" being reversed--even generations later with individuals who had never even had the original unmutated form still being able to get turned back into it. I am just telling you what has objectively happened in the game on more than one occasion.

You are the one who is just assuming, with literally no evidence or any foundation at all, that somehow, this one specific instance of transformation doesn't work like any of the other ones, including all of the other old god mutations, and that also, with no evidence or any foundation at all, that it must be completely and irrevocably permanent when basically no other mutation or transformation in the entire history of the setting has ever been depicted as such.

[Sondrelk]

About 1 hour til nothing happens, y'all

It will happen, I believe!

[Darkarath]

Probably nothing but Bellular says in his last video that 10.2 announcement is imminent.

Might streamers have a bunch of videos about 10.2 ready to be unleashed? We will know soon enough.

[Worldshaper]

It's either in 3 min, 1 hour, tomorrow, or next week. I think.

Let's hope it's in 3 min, because I'm ready for some Emerald Dream content!

[Kiivar86]

I'll bet its between now and the heat death of the universe!

(Sorry can't help but be amused at the "its in an hour, no within the next week. Wait, within the month!" sorta thing going on)

[Makabreska]

Probably nothing but Bellular says in his last video that 10.2 announcement is imminent.

Might streamers have a bunch of videos about 10.2 ready to be unleashed? We will know soon enough.

Wow, what a wild knowledge. It's not like it would happen in two weeks anyway, simple due to the 10.1.7 release.

[Alanar]

There's no vague assumptions. We have been shown IN GAME, multiple times old god "mutations" being reversed--even generations later with individuals who had never even had the original unmutated form still being able to get turned back into it. I am just telling you what has objectively happened in the game on more than one occasion.

You are the one who is just assuming, with literally no evidence or any foundation at all, that somehow, this one specific instance of transformation doesn't work like any of the other ones, including all of the other old god mutations, and that also, with no evidence or any foundation at all, that it must be completely and irrevocably permanent when basically no other mutation or transformation in the entire history of the setting has ever been depicted as such.

No, you are the one assuming that she can do things based on a single example, which was just a clear case of trickery.
Anything I have told you, is directly from what we got in game. I also mentioned the Warbringer a couple of times, explaining to you how this was a mutation, which is crucial in her story.
You keep saying, we have ''countless'' and ''numerous'' examples, but it's impossible, because we are talking about Azshara, which is a very unique and powerfull example. Azshara in particular, which is no random mob and needed something to sustain her had a choice, dying or be mutated and misformed. It is completely unknown to us, if she is able to undo any of this.
If reversing was a thing that would be a pretty big deal wouldn't you think? it would have probably been something we have heard or seen elsewhere in game. Our mages for example can copy appearances and create Illusions, wonder what Azshara can do with these spells.

This feels like a drag dude so Idk if there is anything else you feel like discussion on this matter, but I think we got to the end here. At least for me.

[Reive]

forget about 10.2 this week. we'll have to wait september 5th

[Raetary]

They always indicate or announce patch announcements beforehand, to get people to tune in.
If there was an announcement happening this week, we would've gotten that information with the weekly blue post as the latest.

[micwini]

They always indicate or announce patch announcements beforehand, to get people to tune in.
If there was an announcement happening this week, we would've gotten that information with the weekly blue post as the latest.

10.1 was not announced beforehand right? I remember being very surprised.

[Worldshaper]

They always indicate or announce patch announcements beforehand, to get people to tune in.
If there was an announcement happening this week, we would've gotten that information with the weekly blue post as the latest.

10.1 news was randomly dropped on Twitter, on a Wednesday night.

[Santandame]

No one is expecting an expansion announcement this week. We're speculating that they might announce 10.2 and other surprises. But primarily 10.2.

I know, my comment was in regards to @Ersula saying it was a valid prediction in regards to an expansion announcement.

[Reive]

this week is full classic hardcore. retail in 2 weeks

[Hitei]

I also don't know what you mean by asking me for evidence and foundation when there is just this single example we are discussing, which I have seen and know it happened. This feels like a drag dude so Idk if there is anything else you feel like discussion on this matter, but I think we got to the end here. At least for me.

I mean provide even a single actual indication that naga transformation is uniquely permanent. You claim that everything you've said is directly from what we got in the game. Show me exactly where in the game it says "No, naga mutation isn't like every other sort of old god mutation, it's special and can't be undone or altered ever, by anything." Show me literally any line in any media that says "Azshara's transformation is unique and permanent and despite transformations being undone and modified all over the game, this one can't."

Because there's nothing that actually says any of those things. You're just baselessly assuming this specific situation has a special feature that isn't indicated anywhere in the game or any secondary media.

So...what does any of this have to do with 10.2 or 11.0 speculation again? Thought we were warned on this.

It's about whether or not Azshara could feasibly be the elf seen in the portal in the Dawn cutscene and therefore actively working with Iridikron on his schemes, the likely subject of 10.3 or 11.0 and main, ongoing storyline of the game.

[Santandame]

I dont think you understand the impact of her mutation, she made a deal. In the end it was that or dying. To sustain her she was transformed, basically the crux of her story. She will always have to face what she became in the end. Thats Azshara now.

That one instance, which again functioned as an Illusion literally to fool farondis. A bunch of teleport sounds and some vage assumptions of reversible transformations isnt going to change how it is. I just explained to that this mutation wasnt some random transformation for Azshara, it was life or death. And again sure she is a powerfull spellcaster, but outside this (in the past) Azuna instance we have no reason to believe she is able to undo her mutation or change at will. If that was the case we would have other instanced showcasing that magic, we simply dont.

She wasn’t trying to fool Farondis though. She wanted him to know who she was.

[Reive]

We get it, you think 10.2 is on the week of September 5th. Let's wait til we actually get news first.

the only news we are getting are for classic. 3 articles in 30 mins