The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

lol literally a third of those thal quests are just "oh you've reached a certain renown level? here's a auto-accepted turn in quest." Sorry if I'm talking about real content.

wowhead only counts quest for the renown in the zone IE Valdrakken Accord, which only has 30 lvls meaning 30 quest, that's no where close to a 3rd of 600.

shadowlands also had such quest for there renown but they went up to 80 by the end of the expan so that's -80 quest off the wowhead list.

and even if a 3rd of Thal's quest were renown were just renown quest the waking shore and Azure span are both still ahead of ardenweld and Maldraxxus, and the waking shore is ahead of bastion, with only revendreath being ahead of them.

so again your just full of shit.

[Darkarath]

The thing about a 10.3 with a Titan / Keeper focus, is that it would not make sense in a way.

Iridikron is alive. It is in our best interest to not to fight each other, both for us and for the Titans / Keepers, as long as that gigantic threat is still out there.

My hope is that Vyranoth gets powered up in some way in The Emerald Dream, and that she comes after us hard, as the final boss of the expansion. I know that there are some threads that point to her changing sides, but come on, it would be so lame, so pathetic... I really hope that they do not follow that path.

Vyranoth has been imprisoned for 20.000 years, Alextrasza messed her eggs, and we just killed her sister and presumably his brother in 10.2.

Why the hell she would side with us? Poor writing is the only possible explanation if that happens.

[Super Dickmann]

Here's the thing though: if Fyrakk is the final boss of 10.2, which is likely, that's 3 voidy dragons back to back (and if we're talking purple dragons... that's EVERY endboss).

Also with there being a lot of earth and void bosses already I don't see it. It may not JUST be Tyr but I think something Titanic/robotic is way more likely.

Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

[Sondrelk]

Just in case somebody forgets.

The cosmic expansions:

The Burning Crusade

Warlords of Draenor

Legion

Wrath of the Lich King

Battle for Azeroth

Shadowlands

Cataclysm

Dragonflight

11.0 - Final confrontation with the Void, large focus on Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms!

The adventurous expansions:

World of Warcraft (Vanilla)

Mists of Pandaria

12.0 - Enter the dawn of the next era for WoW with an adventure to the far side of the world, traveller!

This is some next level reaching here.
Battle for Azeroth a cosmic expansion? Most of that was spent in a jungle or regular looking zones fighting normal humanoids.
It only got heavier on cosmic themes in the final patch.

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Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

The final boss of a raid being for the most part its own thing visually isn't a new thing either. Argus looked nothing like the demons we fought in the raid prior, not in appearance of model nor boss arena. Azshara was fought on a Titan platform. Yogg-saron was a far cry visually from the Titan keepers and minions we had fought until the descent of Madness.

[Catastrophy349]

I love the hopium/copium in this forum (myself included). We got a wide range in here.

[Catastrophy349]

Going to need a bigger copium/hopium tank, I can't get enough of the stuff!

[Catastrophy349]

I literally can't wait to start discussing 10.2 in this channel and it's place in the future of DF/11.0. 10.1.7 story, too, of course. Hopefully, we will get some real juicy stuff!

[Makabreska]

Haha.

I really, really struggle to comprehend how anybody can't clearly see that Battle for Azeroth is a sequel to Wrath of the Lich King.

It - literally - tells the story of how Arthas' old friends and victims cope with their past wounds, and how Sylvanas decides to end the title of Lich King altogether, kill half of Azeroth to ferry souls into the Maw, and make a mockery of Life by burning a world tree and Elune's favoured children that dwelled within.

Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not go straight to SL where we have Uther, Jaina, and GODDAMN ARTHAS, I dunno.

[Skildar]

I literally can't wait to start discussing 10.2 in this channel and it's place in the future of DF/11.0. 10.1.7 story, too, of course. Hopefully, we will get some real juicy stuff!

same as you, we've spent too much time rediscussing old lore and expansions. It's nice when we're able to point out what we wish could be done in a successful way, etc. But geting back to the unfinished threads and getting some more breadcrumbs of what could await us is definitely more interesting

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Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not SL, I dunno.

They've messed up so badly with Sylvanas that her book didn't get a release in my country and I'm betting it will never release because they've changed of publishing company

[Catastrophy349]

same as you, we've spent too much time rediscussing old lore and expansions. It's nice when we're able to point out what we wish could be done in a successful way, etc. But geting back to the unfinished threads and getting some more breadcrumbs of what could await us is definitely more interesting

Yeah, I just really want to see what happens in 10.1.7 and start discussing it here. Then, of course, 10.2 stuff eventually.

[Cheezits]

Haha.

I really, really struggle to comprehend how anybody can't clearly see that Battle for Azeroth is a sequel to Wrath of the Lich King.

It - literally - tells the story of how Arthas' old friends and victims cope with their past wounds, and how Sylvanas decides to end the title of Lich King altogether, kill half of Azeroth to ferry souls into the Maw, and make a mockery of Life by burning a world tree and Elune's favoured children that dwelled within.

The Horde/Troll/N'zoth half says hi.

There is definitely some buildup to the Arthas bunch because of Shadowlands buildup, but that isn't the expansion.

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Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

I think it will be a very neat and shiny Titan facility similar to Ulduar and most of Uldir. Despite the lore, the Vault did not really look or feel like a titan facility besides a few platforms and the final room.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

That's a very strange take.

Do you think Blizzard just suddenly decided the plot of Shadowlands on a whim a week before BlizzCon 2019?

"Hey guys, let's connect Shadowlands to what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth!"

That doesn't mean it was a cosmic expansion.

[Makabreska]

That's a very strange take.

Do you think Blizzard just suddenly decided the plot of Shadowlands on a whim a week before BlizzCon 2019?

"Hey guys, let's connect Shadowlands to what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth!"

You tell me about strange takes, with your Cosmic Expansions everywhere.

[ChairmanKaga]

*snip*

My hope is that Vyranoth gets powered up in some way in The Emerald Dream, and that she comes after us hard, as the final boss of the expansion.

This is atleast better than everyone assuming she will switch sides for no apparent reason.

[Makabreska]

No, but it means the events of Battle for Azeroth were precursory to the events of Shadowlands. It means Blizzard intended for Sylvanas to launch a war and kill people so that she could collect souls for the Maw, and aid the Jailer. In other words, one is a sequel to the other.

And we weren't arguing that. We were arguing that BfA is not a direct sequel to WotLK.

[Cheezits]

Topic pivot, but was Nya'lotha just the Void's version of the Emerald Dream?

That would make two copies of Azeroth among the six forces. Surprised they didn't do the same for Death/Shadowlands/The Veil.

[Hitei]

Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not go straight to SL where we have Uther, Jaina, and GODDAMN ARTHAS, I dunno.

Because he's desperate to force a pattern.

BfA is objectively more of a sequel to Cataclysm than it is to WotLK. That's where the modern Zandalari line and Zul's machinations were established, it's where the Naga and Old God narrative that makes up half of BfA is from, it's where Sylvanas' actual progression comes from, because WotLK Sylvanas, singularly focused on killing Arthas has much less to do with her actions in BfA and SL than Cataclysm Sylvanas does you know, the one who actually uses Val'kyr and raises people and attacks kingdoms, it's where Magni's switch from king into planet-speaker began (and where the Dark Iron joined the Alliance), where Genn joined with the Alliance and became a major leader.

But that causes all sorts of problems for the "trilogies" assumption, so BfA is a Wrath follow-up instead.

[Darkarath]

This is atleast better than everyone assuming she will switch sides for no apparent reason.

Remember, every Incarnate behaves, in some ways, like the element they represent.

- Raszageth was chaotic and impulsive. She died bringing chaos to the world by releasing the Incarnates.

- Fyrakk does not think and just want to destroy everything. If he dies in 10.2, he might bring some kind of destruction to something or destroy someone.

- Iridikron is cunning and patient. God knows what his death would bring.

- Vyranoth is cold and unforgiving. A little reminder, she helped Fyrakk becoming what he has become. She knew that he was going to bathe in Shadowflame to bring destruction. She knows the plan. If she allies with us at some point, it would just be part of the plan to stab us in the back. That might be the WTF moment of DF. Vyranoth killing Alexstrasza in a treacherous way.

[Hitei]

Topic pivot, but was Nya'lotha just the Void's version of the Emerald Dream?

That would make two copies of Azeroth among the six forces. Surprised they didn't do the same for Death/Shadowlands/The Veil.

Ny'alotha is like if your nightmares suddenly started leaking out into the real world. Ironically Ny'alotha is really more of a "dream" than the Dream is. The Dream is more of a very real plane that just physically mimics and is altered by actual Azeroth.

[Sondrelk]

Remember, every Incarnate behaves, in some ways, like the element they represent.

- Raszageth was chaotic and impulsive. She died bringing chaos to the world by releasing the Incarnates.

- Fyrakk does not think and just want to destroy everything. If he dies in 10.2, he might bring some kind of destruction to something or destroy someone.

- Iridikron is cunning and patient. God knows what his death would bring.

- Vyranoth is cold and unforgiving. A little reminder, she helped Fyrakk becoming what he has become. She knew that he was going to bathe in Shadowflame to bring destruction. She knows the plan. If she allies with us at some point, it would just be part of the plan to stab us in the back. That might be the WTF moment of DF. Vyranoth killing Alexstrasza in a treacherous way.

By that logic I would argue that Vyranoth is also the most likely to switch sides. Her icy demenor might just melt away with time.

I standby my theory that Tyr will attempt to do something to Dragon eggs, and Alexstrasza will attempt to stop him in order to remedy her past failure when The took Vyranoths eggs.