The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Completely agree. I think a lot of the driving force over the cosmic vs. grounded argument is the belief that the cosmic stuff is replacing the older lore, and that the current writers see the factions and races that defined Warcraft as more throwaway in favor of this whole cosmological struggle where Order and Void are more important than Alliance and Horde.

Whether that's actually true or not ends up coming down to individual interpretation. For what it's worth, I don't think they went through Shadowlands intentionally writing "the Jailer is the true villain of the whole series and everything can be tied back to him". The problem is that people can logically conclude that based on what they wrote, and if the writers don't understand how people are drawing those conclusions, then that's incredibly worrying of their ability to understand the lore and setting they've been entrusted with.

Personally I always found that the issue with cosmic stuff isn't that it exists at all, but rather that it takes up so much space when utilized in WoW.

The way WoW is made means that you cannot have much room for varied storylines. You have to pick one and go with it. You cannot have a main storyline in whatever cosmic realm, and also another fleshed out one in EK/Kalimdor.

A full patch is about half a year, which is something you can get over if you are not fully onboard with the theme.
An expansion however is two years. For an expansion like SL that means two years where you don't get much storytelling centered around Azeroth specifically, which is a while if that is the story you want.

It's difficult to make a cosmic realm feel integral to the story we have gotten used to. For stuff like SL where we knew almost nothing you get the impression that what we are experiencing is wholly removed from the main plot unless you tie it back to Azeroth constantly, which makes the story feel small.

[Kiivar86]

I'm thinking the lack of variants has to do with art team struggles (maybe busy with zones? also tier armor now) and not having enforced decisions on how heritage armor works. Likely the Orc one got multiple colors to represent the variety of clans, so they decided the Human one got multiple colors even if it was for just one faction of humans. But because they couldn't figure out another color for the Forsaken armor, they can't use the second one they made for the Nelves.

It's messy, but they seem obsessed with making things "fair" for both races in content drops like these.

On the flip-side, the Forsaken get a tabard (and back item? I don't see one for the NE) but the Night Elves don't, instead they are getting a title. So these aren't entirely "fair" in that regard.

So dunno.

[Cheezits]

On the flip-side, the Forsaken get a tabard (and back item? I don't see one for the NE) but the Night Elves don't, instead they are getting a title. So these aren't entirely "fair" in that regard.

So dunno.

The Nelf title is probably because Forsaken got a title in their pre-Heritage, but yeah they aren't getting a tabard which is weird. The tabard being locked to the heritage and the Forsaken is a HUGE mistake IMO and definitely implies that the old tabard system is basically gone in the future, unless Undercity/Lordaeron gets a new tabard (it is called Tabard of the Forsaken Champion instead of Tabard of the Undercity, though the blogpost called it an Undercity tabard).

I think it's the first race-locked tabard besides the AR ones and I hope they fix that.

[Reive]

days haven't felt this slow since i turned 18. where the hell is patch 10.2?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

days haven't felt this slow since i turned 18. where the hell is patch 10.2?

play or do something else and time will fly by quickly.

Personally, I can't imagine wow being my only game now, i would be bored to death when it comes to gaming and waiting for patch news constantly.

[Cheezits]

days haven't felt this slow since i turned 18. where the hell is patch 10.2?

It's weird that we haven't seen a build of it yet. I assume we'll get a reveal of why that is soon (patch size being surprisingly big and/or it being the last patch).

[Valysar]

days haven't felt this slow since i turned 18. where the hell is patch 10.2?

Ready to be unveil, just not yet. They'll wait just a bit. Maybe they're waiting for 10.1.7 to be out before announcing it.

[Reive]

play or do something else and time will fly by quickly.

Personally, I can't imagine wow being my only game now, i would be bored to death when it comes to gaming and waiting for patch news constantly.

I don't play only wow, but wow is the game i play/follow the most. right now the game needs new content and patch 10.2 seems so far away

It's weird that we haven't seen a build of it yet. I assume we'll get a reveal of why that is soon (patch size being surprisingly big and/or it being the last patch).

what worries me is the number of people they have lost with the rto. if the number is big enough, i can see them slow down on content release.

Ready to be unveil, just not yet. They'll wait just a bit. Maybe they're waiting for 10.1.7 to be out before announcing it.

they announced patch 10.1 before 10.0.7 was even out. unless this patch is so story driven that absolutely requires patch 10.1.7 to be out first, they should/could do the same as before

[Cheezits]

they announced patch 10.1 before 10.0.7 was even out. unless this patch is so story driven that absolutely requires patch 10.1.7 to be out first, they should/could do the same as before

This is possible, considering we still don't know why the patch is called Fury Incarnate due to encrypted story. We can GUESS (Fyrakk wants to burn the tree!) but there may be something we don't know.

It would be funny if the big reveal is just that Magatha shows up or something.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I don't play only wow, but wow is the game i play/follow the most. right now the game needs new content and patch 10.2 seems so far away

Well, even if they announce anything there will be still almost to no real content until october, but i see what you're saying - i saw pretty much it in my guild, where i saw people that i never thought i would see offline for longer time actually went offline, also overall many people stopped playing and just wait for next big patch.

My sub ran out recently too, but honestly by the time im done with BG3, starfield and new CP playthrough it will be 10.2 already, but even then there's a lot of good game releases that i might not even find time for WoW 10.2 day one, depends what will they present.

[Catastrophy349]

What I find funny is we've been debating the announcement of 10.2 based on previous dates as if that is the only way. However, as I, and others have mentioned above, it's "possible" that the story in 10.1.7 is much more crucial toward the story of 10.2, unlike the story prior to patch 10.1 with 10.0.7. Hence, why they could announce 10.1 before 10.0.7 released, though they are "potentially" waiting for 10.1.7 this time around to announce 10.2.

Let's not forget, too, that both patch 10.1.5 AND 10.1.7 were announced AFTER the release of the "former" patch. For example, 10.1.5 was announced AFTER 10.1 released and 10.1.7 was announced AFTER 10.1.5 released. So, again, who knows what their plan is because there is absolutely NO pattern anymore.

[Well Done Steak]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1694712075241832448

Has this been discussed??

[Sondrelk]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1694712075241832448

Has this been discussed??

Was mentioned a page or two back. Might be used to explain the sudden influx of new Paladins without needing to create all the required assets for them. Just give each new Paladin race the same new horse model.

[micwini]

What I find funny is we've been debating the announcement of 10.2 based on previous dates as if that is the only way. However, as I, and others have mentioned above, it's "possible" that the story in 10.1.7 is much more crucial toward the story of 10.2, unlike the story prior to patch 10.1 with 10.0.7. Hence, why they could announce 10.1 before 10.0.7 released, though they are "potentially" waiting for 10.1.7 this time around to announce 10.2.

Let's not forget, too, that both patch 10.1.5 AND 10.1.7 were announced AFTER the release of the "former" patch. For example, 10.1.5 was announced AFTER 10.1 released and 10.1.7 was announced AFTER 10.1.5 released. So, again, who knows what their plan is because there is absolutely NO pattern anymore.

10.0.7 story was literally the first part of the 10.1 campaign, so I can't see how it would spoil. 10.1 reveal wasn't much apart from what the theme was and where the new zone was and what features. We know the theme/story almost 100% already for 10.2, so I don't think that is it. Either there is a wrench in their content cadence that has popped up, or they are waiting until next week/sept 5 to not get their announcement drowned in gamescom hype

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1694712075241832448

Has this been discussed??

Apart from the 'paladin for all races' bit, not really. It's probably just props that are added as part of the new quests.

[Sondrelk]

What I find funny is we've been debating the announcement of 10.2 based on previous dates as if that is the only way. However, as I, and others have mentioned above, it's "possible" that the story in 10.1.7 is much more crucial toward the story of 10.2, unlike the story prior to patch 10.1 with 10.0.7. Hence, why they could announce 10.1 before 10.0.7 released, though they are "potentially" waiting for 10.1.7 this time around to announce 10.2.

Let's not forget, too, that both patch 10.1.5 AND 10.1.7 were announced AFTER the release of the "former" patch. For example, 10.1.5 was announced AFTER 10.1 released and 10.1.7 was announced AFTER 10.1.5 released. So, again, who knows what their plan is because there is absolutely NO pattern anymore.

I can't imagine any plotline for 10.2 that is so heavily tied to 10.1.7 that you cannot explain one without the other. Unless the raid is something like Fury of Alexstrasza, any raid or whatever could just be left up in the air with a generic "See what happens". Siege of Valdrakken could be us attacking the Aspects, could be Valdrakken being occupied. Could be the Titans returning.

[Catastrophy349]

10.0.7 story was literally the first part of the 10.1 campaign, so I can't see how it would spoil. 10.1 reveal wasn't much apart from what the theme was and where the new zone was and what features. We know the theme/story almost 100% already for 10.2, so I don't think that is it. Either there is a wrench in their content cadence that has popped up, or they are waiting until next week/sept 5 to not get their announcement drowned in gamescom hype



Apart from the 'paladin for all races' bit, not really. It's probably just props that are added as part of the new quests.

Yeah, I don’t disagree with anything you just said. That’s kind of the point. No matter what I say, you say, or anyone else says/predicts, it doesn’t matter. It’s a waste of time. This is why it’s better to focus on lore speculation than date speculation. Who cares when the announcement comes? It’ll be here SoonTM.

[micwini]

I can't see 10.2 being anything other than green shit with flowers

[Catastrophy349]

I’m no more “right” or “wrong” than anyone else’s ideas. I did an entire post explaining the dates/times. It means nothing. Whether they slowed down, got caught up, are waiting, story spoilers, etc, it doesn’t matter. Just enjoy the ride!

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I can't see 10.2 being anything other than green shit with flowers

That’s the theme. No one is debating that. It’s the stupid conversation about dates we keep arguing which is pointless.

[micwini]

I’m no more “right” or “wrong” than anyone else’s ideas. I did an entire post explaining the dates/times. It means nothing. Whether they slowed down, got caught up, are waiting, story spoilers, etc, it doesn’t matter. Just enjoy the ride!

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That’s the theme. No one is debating that. It’s the stupid conversation about dates we keep arguing which is pointless.

Yeah true, but its just that there is no reason for 10.2 to be needed to reveal after 10.1.7 launch because of spoilers. If that would be the case, I would prefer if they announced it 2 weeks after, because I wouldn't be looking forward to spoilers on launch day on a patch. Want to play through it myself instead of being spoiled by a blog post on launch day.

[Cheezits]

I'm guessing Fyrakk's ingot thing is the big spoiler, if he's the final boss then they are going to give him a big powerup like Deathwing armor. Note that they haven't shown what his visage looks like with shadowflame on.

Also maybe Elune says "lol im gonna show up in the next patch" during the Nelf quest. That would be a big one.