1. #12941
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    We sacrificed Shadowlands for this release cadence. Like how WoD was sacrificed for Legion. Worth?
    I personally would not say so but that is my opinion that warlords of Draenor was a good expansion for player-vs-environment only players like myself

  2. #12942
    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    ...But we freed him once we defeated Helya in her realm in the Trials of Valor. She was the only thing keeping him in the Halls of Valor.
    All that did was free the souls she was keeping emprisoned; what Odyn originally did to her made her impossible to kill. So she's still doing that, though clearly his opinion of mortals have changed, so it really doesn't matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Now I'm VERY curious about the fate of 10.3.
    You know the pre-order rewards for the next expansion usually come out before the final major patch, actually. This is normal.
    Quote Originally Posted by StrayFromThePath View Post
    I personally would not say so but that is my opinion that warlords of Draenor was a good expansion for player-vs-environment only players like myself
    You might as well said "Disregard my opinion, I play wow like its minecraft"

  3. #12943
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You might as well said "Disregard my opinion, I play wow like its minecraft"
    just the same to your essential "disregard me, I invalidate posters because i don't offer much anywhere else"

  4. #12944
    looks like 11.0 is coming in august
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  5. #12945
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    looks like 11.0 is coming in august
    What makes you say that?

  6. #12946
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    Can we get a dataminer to confirm/speculate on whether or not this "preorder stuff" means a 10.2 is more likely AFTER Blizzcon, now?
    Preorder isn't related to 10.2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Now I'm VERY curious about the fate of 10.3.
    New expansion are always announced ~1 year before their release. Blizzcon is in November => 11.0 announcement => 11.0 release roughly in November 2024 and the 2-year cycle is respected as usual. If anything, it confirms even more that there will be a 10.3 in the meantime (as if it was ever a doubt).

    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    looks like 11.0 is coming in august
    Stop it.

  7. #12947
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You know the pre-order rewards for the next expansion usually come out before the final major patch, actually. This is normal.
    So this also means 10.2 won't launch before blizzcon right? If they would plan on doing that they wouldn't put preorder bundles in last minute or am i seeing this wrong?

  8. #12948
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    So this also means 10.2 won't launch before blizzcon right? If they would plan on doing that they wouldn't put preorder bundles in last minute or am i seeing this wrong?
    I agree with this. Why push pre-order data to 10.1.7 build unless 10.1.7 is still the live build on xpac announce.

    10.2 = november 6/7 imo.

  9. #12949
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    So this also means 10.2 won't launch before blizzcon right? If they would plan on doing that they wouldn't put preorder bundles in last minute or am i seeing this wrong?
    Maybe. Maybe not. Since the beginning of the year the 2023 roadmap displayed "10.1.7 in autumn. 10.2 before the end of the year." So it might come out a little before or a little after Blizzcon: Which is why they're making sure the pre-order prep is in 10.1.7

  10. #12950
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    Better not mean no 10.3
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  11. #12951
    Quote Originally Posted by Imotbh View Post
    New expansion are always announced ~1 year before their release. Blizzcon is in November => 11.0 announcement => 11.0 release roughly in November 2024 and the 2-year cycle is respected as usual. If anything, it confirms even more that there will be a 10.3 in the meantime (as if it was ever a doubt).
    This isn't really accurate. Dragonflight was announced seven months before it was released.

    Assuming similar turn around for 11.0, the 4-5 month patch cadence we've been getting so far this expansion would put 10.2.7 2-3 months before 11.0... which is exactly the same timing we got between 9.2.7 and 10.0

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    Interesting, 10.2 in November I guess.

  13. #12953
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    This isn't really accurate. Dragonflight was announced seven months before it was released.
    Only because Dragonflight was announced unusually late: His point was every expansion has, on average, a 2 year rotation, which is completely true. 20 years, 10 expansions.

    Near the end, the 10.0 speculation thread was rife with absolutely deranged theories that 10.0 wasn't coming until late 2023/2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Assuming similar turn around for 11.0, the 4-5 month patch cadence we've been getting so far this expansion would put 10.2.7 2-3 months before 11.0... which is exactly the same timing we got between 9.2.7 and 10.0
    What are you talking about? Dragonflight's major patches have been much closer together than Shadowland's. Dragonflight's third raid tier has just been pushed to vendor so we're about 3 months ahead of Shadowland's schedule. Given there's no reason to think they're breaking the tradition (7 out of 9 of the expansions) of announcing an expansion at Blizzcon that releases about a year later, we'll get another raid tier in the first half of 2024.
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    So we've got an encrypted 10.2 PTR build? I guess next week is it!

  15. #12955
    I'm not sold on a 10.3 at this point and signs keep pointing to no. The fastest Blizzard has gotten from a final patch to an expansion was Shadowlands 9.2 to 10.0 at just 8 months. Even if we're generous with the timeline and say 11.0 goes live in November with a December expansion launch and January season 1, the latest 10.3 could be out is March. My gut says they want this expac out before the 20th anniversary Blizzcon next year which bumps that timeline up to October/November like Dragonflight. That'd require a February last patch again. I just don't see a world we go from a Mid November Season 3 to a Season 4 just 3 months later. Even March is just 4 months and even season 1 had 5 months.

    10.3 requires them to somehow develop an entire expansion in just 6 months or less which they have never done before.

  16. #12956
    Quote Originally Posted by KyleEverett View Post
    10.3 requires them to somehow develop an entire expansion in just 6 months or less which they have never done before.
    They can develop multiple things at the same time. They likely started on 11.0 long before Dragonflight released.

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    Damn, what news to wake up to!

    So imo, 10.3 is off the table at this point.
    10.2 wil be the final patch, followed up with an epilogue patch including a fated season at some point, and then the next expansion launches.


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  18. #12958
    With the tenders being added for preorders, this practically confirms 10.3 is scrapped. My guess is they did not expect new talent trees and simps to be this hard to balance so they will dedicate a slightly longer final season in 10.2 to wrap up on specs and be ready for 11.0 where they can focus on content.

    DF was the maintenance expansion that was heavily needed - low-key irrelevant story with nothing happening and tons of reworks of specs. At least this prepares us for an amazing 11.0.

  19. #12959
    Well in 10.2 we will be probably killing fyrakk 100% and vyranoth maybe, but for vyranoth i think there's higher chance for her to change her ways and see reason.

    Iridkron is probably saved for next expansion, so i don't know who would be a boss of 10.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Better not mean no 10.3
    Lmao at everyone who was expecting 10.3. to not be the fated raid season with extra open world content, which was confirmed in interviews since the launch of dragonflight.

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