The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

We just had BFA, which was pirate and nautical theme on Alliance - while Horde got mayan dinosaur stuff.

Please no.
I'm already tired.

Unless it comes something unique and interesting for Alliance players. That just seems so ridiculously boring.

Speaking as someone who wanted BfA to really give us the South Seas expansion I always wanted, I can say with certainty that BfA did not really scratch that itch for me. It teased me with the possibility that it would actually give me what I wanted, but it never did.

An expansion that has us actually explore islands without a timer, and which lets us use a ship in a similar way we used the Vindicaar on Argus would absolutely be my jam.

[Cheezits]

I’d like to think that when we do get a pirate expansion, Blizz will opt for a more realistic portrayal like pirates during the Golden Age of Piracy, or a darker theme like book version of Euron Greyjoy from A Song of Ice and Fire.

That’s my personal hope, and they don’t take the route they did with their bastardised interpretation of dragons.

Pirates have been portrayed as both silly and genuinely threatening/criminal in basically every instance they appear in WoW (vanilla, BFA and the Forbidden Reach come to mind) so I believe it would be more of that.

For every Ashvane and Daelins Gate there will be a monkey throwing bananas and an ettin wearing boats for shoes. I think they hit a good balance.

[Santandame]

Speaking as someone who wanted BfA to really give us the South Seas expansion I always wanted, I can say with certainty that BfA did not really scratch that itch for me. It teased me with the possibility that it would actually give me what I wanted, but it never did.

An expansion that has us actually explore islands without a timer, and which lets us use a ship in a similar way we used the Vindicaar on Argus would absolutely be my jam.

I 100% agree. Give us Tel’Abim, Undermine, Plunder Isle, Hiji, Ogrezonia, Balor and Zul’Dare. Give us some content in between reaching the island zones such as kraken/sea serpent attacks, pirates trying to board us, maelstroms and treasure islands. Our own customisable brig and later galleon or man of war if we choose. Oh and of course, if we could get sea shanties like in AC Black Flag then it’ll be golden.

[Skildar]

I'm surprised by the latest cinematic but not necessarily in a good way. Fyrakk being a loose cannon doesn't change much, but not having Iridikron there kind of forced the Vyranoth is the one that will get redemption and not the others. When from what we've seen so far, Iridikron is sharing Vyranoth' values.

Anyway the one thing that I guess we need to take from this cinematic is that there is more to see with the primalist after 10.2 as they are still gathering more power and this time it's from the emerald dream.

[Raetary]

Iridikron is sharing Vyranoth' values.

Is he though?

He sent Fyrakk to consume the primal flames in Zaralek, knowing full well its void corrupted and what that will entail.
He got his toy charged up in DotI and then immediately pissed off from the dragon conflict to work on his anti-titan plans.

There is no indication that he cares about anything other than ridding the planet from titan influence at any cost.

Vyranoth is the only one that seems to have any actual values and interests beyond sadistic destruction and revenge.

[Sondrelk]

I'm surprised by the latest cinematic but not necessarily in a good way. Fyrakk being a loose cannon doesn't change much, but not having Iridikron there kind of forced the Vyranoth is the one that will get redemption and not the others. When from what we've seen so far, Iridikron is sharing Vyranoth' values.

Anyway the one thing that I guess we need to take from this cinematic is that there is more to see with the primalist after 10.2 as they are still gathering more power and this time it's from the emerald dream.

I kinda like that Iridikron isn't there. It really puts into sharp relief how both Fyrakk and Vyranoth are not cut out for the villain life.
It gives the impression that Iridikron goaded them into the Dragon v. Titan conflict so he could rid the world of titans more so then any actual ideals.
Fyrakk has fraying sanity, either from his imprisonment, or from Shadowflame. Either way he deserves better than being used as a pawn by Iridikron and being pitted against Vyranoth.

[Cheezits]

I kinda like that Iridikron isn't there. It really puts into sharp relief how both Fyrakk and Vyranoth are not cut out for the villain life.
It gives the impression that Iridikron goaded them into the Dragon v. Titan conflict so he could rid the world of titans more so then any actual ideals.
Fyrakk has fraying sanity, either from his imprisonment, or from Shadowflame. Either way he deserves better than being used as a pawn by Iridikron and being pitted against Vyranoth.

It would be a nice touch if Elune figured out what was going on and purified/spared Fyrakk, but they (Blizz) may not let him get away with roasting the Niffen.

[Magistrate]

I know the Nightsquall is a pirate faction, but some of the cosmetics really look more conquistador. They could easily go for a new continent, much of which won't be available for the expansion it launches in, and give it a settlers/colonist vibe.

[Civciv]

It would be a nice touch if Elune figured out what was going on and purified/spared Fyrakk, but they (Blizz) may not let him get away with roasting the Niffen.

Fyrakk was crazy even before Shadowflame so no, he doesn't need redemption.

[Cheezits]

I know the Nightsquall is a pirate faction, but some of the cosmetics really look more conquistador. They could easily go for a new continent, much of which won't be available for the expansion it launches in, and give it a settlers/colonist vibe.

I stand by the idea that Blizzard isn't going to do a colonist expansion for obvious reasons. Settlers maybe if they want to do housing, but it could so easily be seen as invasion/displacement stuff.

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Forgot to mention that it doesn't look like Fyrakk needs armor for the shadowflame unless he's hiding it in visage form. Maybe the Zaqali ingots are for something else?

[jeezusisacasual]

Speaking as someone who wanted BfA to really give us the South Seas expansion I always wanted, I can say with certainty that BfA did not really scratch that itch for me. It teased me with the possibility that it would actually give me what I wanted, but it never did.

An expansion that has us actually explore islands without a timer, and which lets us use a ship in a similar way we used the Vindicaar on Argus would absolutely be my jam.

I honestly think that BFA would have been remembered as one of the best expansions of all time if they had listened to the feedback and dropped the shitty armor system. Hell i think BFA is better then dragonflight in terms of content that is actually impactful for your toons power which is lacking like hell now. The necklace was a brilliant replacement for the artifact weapon it just came way to late and should have launched with it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I honestly think that BFA would have been remembered as one of the best expansions of all time if they had listened to the feedback and dropped the shitty armor system. Hell i think BFA is better then dragonflight in terms of content that is actually impactful for your toons power which is lacking like hell now. The necklace was a brilliant replacement for the artifact weapon it just came way to late and should have launched with it.

I don't think people really care for infinite grinding in terms of power now.

[Ersula]

Dragon pack was before dragonflight.

I'm not going to say "we just had a pirate expansion," because if it was BFA was a piss-poor example of a pirate expansion, but I am going to say people are definitely reading too much into that bundle. The Dragon Bundle was 7 dragon mounts, this is 4 items & only 3 of them are even pirate related. Plus the Dragon Pack came out 6 whole months before Dragonflight was revealed & was rereleased after. If we're using that as the basis for comparison, the Faction Pack released 6 months before the upcoming Blizzcon. Will the next expansion also be Faction War related (I don't think so.)

So, how did Fyrakk find out about Amirdrassil anyway?

"The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green."

Technically, all the world trees offshoots (even the ones made from a Tear of Elune) of a single biological entity, G'Hanir. And was a symbol of the Titan's reign on Azeroth, it being one of the first things they created. So it makes sense the Primals see it as both a source of great power & something that needs to be uprooted.

I'm surprised by the latest cinematic but not necessarily in a good way. Fyrakk being a loose cannon doesn't change much, but not having Iridikron there kind of forced the Vyranoth is the one that will get redemption and not the others. When from what we've seen so far, Iridikron is sharing Vyranoth' values.

Anyway the one thing that I guess we need to take from this cinematic is that there is more to see with the primalist after 10.2 as they are still gathering more power and this time it's from the emerald dream.

Yes, but when the reality of the loss of life that bringing the Harbinger to earth hits Vyranoth, Iridikron & her will be on opposite sides of that philosophy.

Vyranoth seems like the perfect candidate to be the new Silver Dragonflight, but that also feels like a betrayal to her personal philosophy. I can honestly say I have no idea what's going to happen next.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

My money is on an alliance civil war next expansion.

I'd like to see it susceptible to internal conflict, but I think we've had enough civil wars for the time being. I'd much prefer to see it just adopt a more bellicose international policy, allowing them to serve as the aggressors without strictly being "the baddies".

[Ersula]

My money is on an alliance civil war next expansion.

In that Turalyon/Alleria have their Garrosh moment & invade Silvermoon? And the rest of the Alliance eventually denounce them over the course of the expansion? Sure, the seeds for that story have already been planted. Though that whole plotline has become a little repetitious.

[Catastrophy349]

If these four options are the ONLY possibilities for 11.0 (and there can be NO other option), which would you choose? Why?

1). South Seas
2). Other-side of Azeroth (Avaloren)
3). World Revamp
4). Karesh (or some other Void infected/consumed planet, or dimension)

Feel free to elaborate on the option you choose and what exactly that option would entail in terms of content/theme/etc.

[jeezusisacasual]

I don't think people really care for infinite grinding in terms of power now.

What other way can they always entice you to log in and participate in content? Thats the problem with WoW now and the catch up systems in the past had been so generous they allowed me to still do what i do but still provide an incentive to logging in daily.

[Ersula]

If these four options are the ONLY possibilities for 11.0 (and there can be NO other option), which would you choose? Why?

Are we so sure Avaloren is a continent & not an underground region like the Undermine? I'd also like to explore other planets but the head developers are convinced Azeroth itself needs to the central figure in Warcraft's story.

I honestly think that BFA would have been remembered as one of the best expansions of all time if they had listened to the feedback and dropped the shitty armor system. Hell i think BFA is better then dragonflight in terms of content that is actually impactful for your toons power which is lacking like hell now. The necklace was a brilliant replacement for the artifact weapon it just came way to late and should have launched with it.

I think the biggest problem is that WoW will introduce a wild new feature, and then when it has problems, they adjust it very slightly, then when that doesn't work they render it completely irrelevant: Instead of actually fixing it.

Torghast, Warfronts & Island Expedition could have been mainstays of the franchise if they saw them as more than just expansion gimmicks, but they don't.

The other main problem is that they're not even trying to keep open world content relevant. Do you think any of their developers are thinking "Why did we spend more time working on Forgotten Shores than the total sum of people would be playing it?"

[jeezusisacasual]

Are we so sure Avaloren is a continent & not an underground region like the Undermine? I'd also like to explore other planets but the head developers are convinced Azeroth itself needs to the central figure in Warcraft's story.
I think the biggest problem is that WoW will introduce a wild new feature, and then when it has problems, they adjust it very slightly, then when that doesn't work they render it completely irrelevant: Instead of actually fixing it.

Torghast, Warfronts & Island Expedition could have been mainstays of the franchise if they saw them as more than just expansion gimmicks, but they don't.

The other main problem is that they're not even trying to keep open world content relevant. Do you think any of their developers are thinking "Why did we spend more time working on Forgotten Shores than the total sum of people would be playing it?"

I agree completely all 3 of those features would been welcomed additions to the game had they more time in the oven, which reminds me of the scenario system from MoP. Perhaps the newer dev team looks at each expansion as its own game instead of a collection? Otherwise i have no idea on why they abandon ideas instead of work on improving them its madness honestly.

[Catastrophy349]

I love Azeroth, but I'm itching to go to another realm/planet again (unpopular opinion, I know).