The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Super Dickmann]

Here's the thing though: if Fyrakk is the final boss of 10.2, which is likely, that's 3 voidy dragons back to back (and if we're talking purple dragons... that's EVERY endboss).

Also with there being a lot of earth and void bosses already I don't see it. It may not JUST be Tyr but I think something Titanic/robotic is way more likely.

Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

[Worldshaper]

Just in case somebody forgets.

The cosmic expansions:

The Burning Crusade

Warlords of Draenor

Legion

Wrath of the Lich King

Battle for Azeroth

Shadowlands

Cataclysm

Dragonflight

11.0 - Final confrontation with the Void, large focus on Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms!

The adventurous expansions:

World of Warcraft (Vanilla)

Mists of Pandaria

12.0 - Enter the dawn of the next era for WoW with an adventure to the far side of the world, traveller!

[Sondrelk]

Just in case somebody forgets.

The cosmic expansions:

The Burning Crusade

Warlords of Draenor

Legion

Wrath of the Lich King

Battle for Azeroth

Shadowlands

Cataclysm

Dragonflight

11.0 - Final confrontation with the Void, large focus on Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms!

The adventurous expansions:

World of Warcraft (Vanilla)

Mists of Pandaria

12.0 - Enter the dawn of the next era for WoW with an adventure to the far side of the world, traveller!

This is some next level reaching here.
Battle for Azeroth a cosmic expansion? Most of that was spent in a jungle or regular looking zones fighting normal humanoids.
It only got heavier on cosmic themes in the final patch.

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Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

The final boss of a raid being for the most part its own thing visually isn't a new thing either. Argus looked nothing like the demons we fought in the raid prior, not in appearance of model nor boss arena. Azshara was fought on a Titan platform. Yogg-saron was a far cry visually from the Titan keepers and minions we had fought until the descent of Madness.

[Catastrophy349]

I love the hopium/copium in this forum (myself included). We got a wide range in here.

[Worldshaper]

This is some next level reaching here.
Battle for Azeroth a cosmic expansion? Most of that was spent in a jungle or regular looking zones fighting normal humanoids.
It only got heavier on cosmic themes in the final patch.

Perhaps I should have said "the cosmic trilogies", because that would be more accurate. Not each expansion is cosmic-focused. But the overarching story it is a part of has a cosmic theme.

TBC -> WoD -> Legion is Disorder (Fel magic). The ultimate threat is the Burning Legion, commanded initially by Archimonde and Kil'jaeden but finally by Sargeras.

WotLK -> BfA -> Shadowlands is Death (Necromantic magic). The ultimate threat is the Scourge, commanded by the Lich King but finally by the Jailer.

Cataclysm -> Dragonflight -> 11.0 is Shadow (Void magic). The ultimate threat is the Hour of Twilight prophecy and its adherents such at the Twlight's Hammer and (indirectly) the Primalists, commanded by the Old Gods but finally by whomever ends up being the bid bad. Xal'atath?

The first expansion in each trilogy just picked up where that theme left off in Warcraft 3, and went big with it. Then once they had done those, they picked each thread up again after MoP, with a set of two expansions for each cosmic force.

First WoD which picked up after TBC and led directly to Legion.
Then BfA which picked up after WotLK and led directly to Shadowlands.
Now Dragonflight which picked up after Cata and leads directly to 11.0.

[Catastrophy349]

Going to need a bigger copium/hopium tank, I can't get enough of the stuff!

[Worldshaper]

Going to need a bigger copium/hopium tank, I can't get enough of the stuff!

Haha.

I really, really struggle to comprehend how anybody can't clearly see that Battle for Azeroth is a sequel to Wrath of the Lich King.

It - literally - tells the story of how Arthas' old friends and victims cope with their past wounds, and how Sylvanas decides to end the title of Lich King altogether, kill half of Azeroth to ferry souls into the Maw, and make a mockery of Life by burning a world tree and Elune's favoured children that dwelled within.

[Catastrophy349]

I literally can't wait to start discussing 10.2 in this channel and it's place in the future of DF/11.0. 10.1.7 story, too, of course. Hopefully, we will get some real juicy stuff!

[Makabreska]

Haha.

I really, really struggle to comprehend how anybody can't clearly see that Battle for Azeroth is a sequel to Wrath of the Lich King.

It - literally - tells the story of how Arthas' old friends and victims cope with their past wounds, and how Sylvanas decides to end the title of Lich King altogether, kill half of Azeroth to ferry souls into the Maw, and make a mockery of Life by burning a world tree and Elune's favoured children that dwelled within.

Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not go straight to SL where we have Uther, Jaina, and GODDAMN ARTHAS, I dunno.

[Skildar]

I literally can't wait to start discussing 10.2 in this channel and it's place in the future of DF/11.0. 10.1.7 story, too, of course. Hopefully, we will get some real juicy stuff!

same as you, we've spent too much time rediscussing old lore and expansions. It's nice when we're able to point out what we wish could be done in a successful way, etc. But geting back to the unfinished threads and getting some more breadcrumbs of what could await us is definitely more interesting

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Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not SL, I dunno.

They've messed up so badly with Sylvanas that her book didn't get a release in my country and I'm betting it will never release because they've changed of publishing company

[Catastrophy349]

same as you, we've spent too much time rediscussing old lore and expansions. It's nice when we're able to point out what we wish could be done in a successful way, etc. But geting back to the unfinished threads and getting some more breadcrumbs of what could await us is definitely more interesting

Yeah, I just really want to see what happens in 10.1.7 and start discussing it here. Then, of course, 10.2 stuff eventually.

[Cheezits]

Haha.

I really, really struggle to comprehend how anybody can't clearly see that Battle for Azeroth is a sequel to Wrath of the Lich King.

It - literally - tells the story of how Arthas' old friends and victims cope with their past wounds, and how Sylvanas decides to end the title of Lich King altogether, kill half of Azeroth to ferry souls into the Maw, and make a mockery of Life by burning a world tree and Elune's favoured children that dwelled within.

The Horde/Troll/N'zoth half says hi.

There is definitely some buildup to the Arthas bunch because of Shadowlands buildup, but that isn't the expansion.

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Color scheme and raid theming is generally more important than the race of the boss so long as the fights are visually different enough. Having the raids be yet more underground caves is a bigger risk, but we can expect a naturalistic look for 10.2's raid and for 10.3 it can conceivably be anywhere though I expect some kind of Titan facility, even if that'd be a retread on much that came before. Fyrakk as a orange and purple fire-focused baddie that's a lot about dynamism is distinct enough from a humanoid then mutated Iridikron, especially given that the bosses up to them ought to be fairly distinct.

I think it will be a very neat and shiny Titan facility similar to Ulduar and most of Uldir. Despite the lore, the Vault did not really look or feel like a titan facility besides a few platforms and the final room.

[Worldshaper]

Super far reaching stuff. Jainas story was about dealing with her actions when she killed her dad, something Arthas had zero involvement with. Sylvanas motivations didn't come to light until SL. Why you decided It's BfA that is a sequel and not go straight to SL where we have Uther, Jaina, and GODDAMN ARTHAS, I dunno.

That's a very strange take.

Do you think Blizzard just suddenly decided the plot of Shadowlands on a whim a week before BlizzCon 2019?

"Hey guys, let's connect Shadowlands to what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth!"

[Aeluron Lightsong]

That's a very strange take.

Do you think Blizzard just suddenly decided the plot of Shadowlands on a whim a week before BlizzCon 2019?

"Hey guys, let's connect Shadowlands to what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth!"

That doesn't mean it was a cosmic expansion.

[Makabreska]

That's a very strange take.

Do you think Blizzard just suddenly decided the plot of Shadowlands on a whim a week before BlizzCon 2019?

"Hey guys, let's connect Shadowlands to what Sylvanas did in Battle for Azeroth!"

You tell me about strange takes, with your Cosmic Expansions everywhere.

[Worldshaper]

The Horde/Troll/N'zoth half says hi.

There is definitely some buildup to the Arthas bunch because of Shadowlands buildup, but that isn't the expansion.

The Iron Horde in Warlords of Draenor also says hi.

As do the Primalists and the Primal Incarnates in Dragonflight.

The expansion picking up on a ten year old story can't just jump straight into the action. It gives us a cool theme and then it builds up that old storyline as time goes on, re-introducing us to old characters and events before expanding on them.

More importantly, the events of Warlords of Draenor directly caused Legion, and the events of Battle for Azeroth directly caused Shadowlands. Now, it appears as if the events of Dragonflight will directly cause whatever comes in 11.0 (Xal'atath and/or Azshara getting the Void artifact from Iridikron, etc.)

Equally, there's a clean break in the story after Legion, and after Shadowlands. We go into something different each time. Just as we will after 11.0.

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You tell me about strange takes, with your Cosmic Expansions everywhere.

Okay, don't answer my questions and simply keep making unfounded claims.

[ChairmanKaga]

*snip*

My hope is that Vyranoth gets powered up in some way in The Emerald Dream, and that she comes after us hard, as the final boss of the expansion.

This is atleast better than everyone assuming she will switch sides for no apparent reason.

[Worldshaper]

That doesn't mean it was a cosmic expansion.

No, but it means the events of Battle for Azeroth were precursory to the events of Shadowlands. It means Blizzard intended for Sylvanas to launch a war and kill people so that she could collect souls for the Maw, and aid the Jailer. In other words, one is a sequel to the other.

[Makabreska]

No, but it means the events of Battle for Azeroth were precursory to the events of Shadowlands. It means Blizzard intended for Sylvanas to launch a war and kill people so that she could collect souls for the Maw, and aid the Jailer. In other words, one is a sequel to the other.

And we weren't arguing that. We were arguing that BfA is not a direct sequel to WotLK.

[Cheezits]

Topic pivot, but was Nya'lotha just the Void's version of the Emerald Dream?

That would make two copies of Azeroth among the six forces. Surprised they didn't do the same for Death/Shadowlands/The Veil.