The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

Would he “suddenly turn against us” or would he just be acting as Odyn has always acted?

I was referring to the other Titan Keepers like Hodir, Freya, Mimiron, Thorim, and any others who are still around. I'm well-aware of how much of a dirt bag Odyn is.. I'm just wondering that if he's the Prime Designate that he can directly control the other keepers and have authority over them.

Which is why if he does turn into the final boss for DF or becomes a potential boss, the biggest possibility I can imagine is that he's doing exactly as he was designed and created to do by the Titan's instructions as part of the Ordering of Azeroth... but he was too effective, similar to a machine or a HAL 9000 scenario where he puts his prime directive above everything else.

I'm fine with the idea of us having to kill Odyn, but I'm less fine with the idea of having to kill the other keepers, especially Tyr whom we've spent this whole expansion trying to reconstruct.

Edit: Come to think of it... if we end up fully finishing Tyr's construction and he invokes his authority on Alexstraza, only to get destroyed and prove right that we can't trust the Titan Keepers... then we'd just be repeating the same plot beats with Xe'ra in Legion when she tried to enforce her prophecy on Illidan, which he not only refused but destroyed her.

[Lady Atia]

I was referring to the other Titan Keepers like Hodir, Freya, Mimiron, Thorim, and any others who are still around. I'm well-aware of how much of a dirt bag Odyn is.. I'm just wondering that if he's the Prime Designate that he can directly control the other keepers and have authority over them.

Which is why if he does turn into the final boss for DF or becomes a potential boss, the biggest possibility I can imagine is that he's doing exactly as he was designed and created to do by the Titan's instructions as part of the Ordering of Azeroth... but he was too effective, similar to a machine or a HAL 9000 scenario where he puts his prime directive above everything else.

I'm fine with the idea of us having to kill Odyn, but I'm less fine with the idea of having to kill the other keepers, especially Tyr whom we've spent this whole expansion trying to reconstruct.

Yeah. Besides that, the titan sub-plot would have fit as a side raid (like Aberrus, or Ulduar) or mega-dungeon, not as 10.3 raid. I still think 10.2. will be the final raid story wise (just as Sepulcher was), with 10.3 giving us a chill fated season with new open world content, races and some more holiday refreshs and 11.0 in early summer.

New Expansion > dragging out the current one with another (propper) raid tier.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yeah. Besides that, the titan sub-plot would have fit as a side raid (like Aberrus, or Ulduar) or mega-dungeon, not as 10.3 raid. I still think 10.2. will be the final raid story wise (just as Sepulcher was), with 10.3 giving us a chill fated season with new open world content, races and some more holiday refreshs and 11.0 in early summer.

New Expansion > dragging out the current one with another (propper) raid tier.

That wouldn't be "dragging" the new expansion out. We barely scratched at DF as an expansion. Fated Season isn't nearly as engaging as people think it is.

[Lady Atia]

That wouldn't be "dragging" the new expansion out. We barely scratched at DF as an expansion. Fated Season isn't nearly as engaging as people think it is.

Since they will be announcing 11.0 during Blizzcon, yes it would feel like dragging out the new expansion. Especially as they would have to test both Alpha/Beta and the final patch at the same time.

A fated season with new open world content is literally the same as any other season for open world/m+/pvp players. And as a mythic raider I'm actually quite happy if we get 3-6 months of old fated "farm" content as opposed to another new raid at the end, as we will have to do raid testing on the beta anyways.

[Woggmer]

That wouldn't be "dragging" the new expansion out. We barely scratched at DF as an expansion. Fated Season isn't nearly as engaging as people think it is.

You'd be surprised by how many in my discord are actually excited for another Fated Season when I asked them their opinion about it. I didn't see a single person not get excited about it.

Another will come, if not to pad things out until the next expansion regardless if we get a 10.3 or not.

[Makorus]

I love Raiding as a social thing, and Fated Raids were a really cool way to go down Memory Lane as a guild, especially because difficulty-wise, they were way easier than the actual Mythic raids.

Obviously, mileage may vary for people who mostly pug.

[Imotbh]

Another will come, if not to pad things out until the next expansion regardless if we get a 10.3 or not.

IF we get another Fated season, I think it would be in addition to 10.3 and it could, for instance, replace 10.3.7 since the link between DF and the next expansion will probably be done during 11.0 prepatch as usual.

[Catastrophy349]

Cataclysm: Released on December 7, 2010
Patch 4.3 released on November 29, 2011
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Mists of Pandaria: Released on September 25, 2012
Patch 5.4 released on September 10, 2013
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Warlords of Draenor: Released on November 13, 2014
Patch 6.2 released on June 23, 2015
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Legion: Released on August 30, 2016
7.3 released on August 29, 2017 and 7.3.5 released on January 16, 2018
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 7 MONTHS (counting 7.3.5 as final patch and 12 MONTHS counting 7.3 as final patch)

Battle for Azeroth: Released on August 14, 2018
8.3 released on January 14, 2020
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Shadowlands: Released on November 23, 2020
9.2 released on February 22, 2022 and 9.2.5 (second part-fated season) released on August 2, 2022
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 3-4 MONTHS (counting 9.2.5 as final patch and 9 MONTHS counting 9.2 as final patch)

Dragonflight: Released on November 28, 2022

[Makabreska]

Math strikes back, I see.

[Catastrophy349]

Math strikes back, I see.

What's funny is my math is correct, but Blizzard just changed how they wanted to do things. Every indicator said that 10.2 and/or 10.1.7 cinematic "should" have been announced/released last week and they weren't.

Regardless, I didn't post the dates/timelines above for math's sake. I just find it funny when people discuss when 11.0 should happen, if there should be a 10.3, does a "fated season' make sense, etc.? People love to say that Blizzard wouldn't release 11.0 with a huge amount of "dead space", though if you look above, you can clearly see what the varying degrees of "emptiness" we've experienced over the years (in most recent expansions) looks like.

[Makabreska]

What's funny is my math is correct, but Blizzard just changed how they wanted to do things. Every indicator said that 10.2 and/or 10.1.7 cinematic "should" have been announced/released last week and they weren't.

Regardless, I didn't post the dates/timelines above for math's sake. I just find it funny when people discuss when 11.0 should happen, if there should be a 10.3, does a "fated season' make sense, etc.? People love to say that Blizzard wouldn't release 11.0 with a huge amount of "dead space", though if you look above, you can clearly see what the varying degrees of "emptiness" we've experienced over the years (in most recent expansions) looks like.

If the result is wrong, then no, the math was not correct. This is once again a deep pattern territory, where peeps are too desperate to find some confirmations IRL. And as we see, the "pattern" is no more, if it even was there in the first place. We will get 10.2 announcement in like up to 3 weeks from now on, and no amount of internet math will affect it.

And it doesn't matter whether we end DF on 10.2 or 10.3. We will have 7+ months of new expansion waiting regardless, and Fated season is a cheap, easy and effective way to make the wait more bearable. Blizz was happy with SL fated, expect more of it each expansion.

[Catastrophy349]

If the result is wrong, then no, the math was not correct. This is once again a deep pattern territory, where peeps are too desperate to find some confirmations IRL. And as we see, the "pattern" is no more, if it even was there in the first place. We will get 10.2 announcement in like up to 3 weeks from now on, no amount of internet math will affect it.

And it doesn't matter whether we end DF on 10.2 or 10.3. We will have 7+ months of new expansion waiting regardless, and Fated season is a cheap, easy and effective way to make the wait more bearable. Blizz was happy with SL fated, expect more of it each expansion.

I'm on YOUR side. I am agreeing with YOU. If anything, I did all of this "math" and pattern (BS) to help people cope with their illusions.

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Personally, I could care less what we get for the rest of DF or 11.0. I am a WoW shill. I'll play anything they throw at me.

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Finding patterns from what Blizzard "did in the past" really shouldn't be something people bet their lives on. It only leads to disappointment and frustration. No matter what, as I already stated, at the bare minimum, from the moment 10.1.7 releases in just over a week until basically 11.0 releases, we "should" have a constant stream of content to be hype over and speculate on (which is exciting)!

[Imotbh]

What's funny is my math is correct, but Blizzard just changed how they wanted to do things. Every indicator said that 10.2 and/or 10.1.7 cinematic "should" have been announced/released last week and they weren't.

Yep, why it wasn't this week is a good question but we won't know the answer anyway maybe to let Classic HC have its shiny moment or something.

Now, does it mean the 1st expected date will be postponed too? So something like November 7th instead of October 17th? October was quite appropriate:
- 17th = release
- 24th = raid
- Raid done for top guilds before Blizzcon (so no staff issue because of monitoring the race)

That being said, if 10.2 is a bit later, then we'd rather have Blizzcon > 10.2 instead of the other way around. Both are possible and fine. In this case, I wonder if the future patches will still stay on schedule or not. One last option could be PTR/announcement later than expected BUT the release still on October 17th. That means a shorter PTR though.

Considering 10.1.7 is pretty light on content and mainly focused on story, it's possible they allocated a bit more resources into 10.2 in the meantime (no saying it's a good or bad thing, just theorizing on how it took place ).

[Catastrophy349]

Yep, why it wasn't this week is a good question but we won't know the answer anyway maybe to let Classic HC have its shiny moment or something.

Now, does it mean the 1st expected date will be postponed too? So something like November 7th instead of October 17th? October was quite appropriate:
- 17th = release
- 24th = raid
- Raid done for top guilds before Blizzcon (so no staff issue because of monitoring the race)

That being said, if 10.2 is a bit later, then we'd rather have Blizzcon > 10.2 instead of the other way around. Both are possible and fine. In this case, I wonder if the future patches will still stay on schedule or not. One last option could be PTR/announcement later than expected BUT the release still on October 17th. That means a shorter PTR though.

Considering 10.1.7 is pretty light on content and mainly focused on story, it's possible they allocated a bit more resources into 10.2 in the meantime (no saying it's a good or bad thing, just theorizing on how it took place ).

Never change! While you might drive yourself MAD with all of this math and dates talk, if it brings you joy and hope, have at it!

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One thing I do when I'm bored is go on to YouTube and search prior WoW expansion announcements from past Blizzcons. I miss having multiple panels for unveiling the expansion, discussing the systems, gameplay, etc., then of course, the Q & A. I'm really hoping we get that again with this year's Blizzcon. I remember rewatching the Shadowlands reveal (Blizzcon 2019) over and over again until the Alpha/Beta started just to HYPE myself up and enjoy the announcement.

[Marlamin]

I'm really hoping we get that again with this year's Blizzcon.

To my knowledge there is only one stage this year so the likelihood of many panels is a bit lower compared to previous years.

[Catastrophy349]

To my knowledge there is only one stage this year so the likelihood of many panels is a bit lower compared to previous years.

Thanks for clearing that up. I haven't looked much into the Blizzcon information. Hopefully, regardless of the quantity of panels, the quality is enough to keep us feeling fed.

[Cheezits]

There's also not a lot to reveal besides 11.0 and maybe the survival game so maybe they are just consolidating?

[Reive]

we'll likely get a 2024 roadmap+11.0 annoucement at the blizzcon. this will allow them to announce a possible 10.3 without wasting time.

[Catastrophy349]

So, without knowing what 11.0 is, yet, how do you hope Dragonflight ends? I'm not talking about patches, or patch names, or dates, or anything like that. I mean pure speculation on what will be the END of Dragonflight?

[Santandame]

So, without knowing what 11.0 is, yet, how do you hope Dragonflight ends? I'm not talking about patches, or patch names, or dates, or anything like that. I mean pure speculation on what will be the END of Dragonflight?

The final raid will be 10.2’s Emerald Dream raid but the expansion finale will be a Red Dragonflight storyline similar to what we got with the Blue flight. We further the Tyr storyline and likely set up the Keepers as future antagonists and the happy ending is the primal proto drakes being welcomed into the rest of dragon kind society as their own “flight” with Vyranoth leading them in the “Aspect” role.

I also imagine we’ll get a resolution to the rebel Drakonid storyline which sees them introduced as an allied race; as well as possibly Tuskarr.

Can’t see us getting another raid but I could see a new dungeon thrown together set at Vakthros with Chromatus as the final boss as a bit of filler to keep us going along with the Fated raids.