The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

I wonder if they'll actually do something with the Stormdrake nest in Thaldraszus.

[Santandame]

I wonder if they'll actually do something with the Stormdrake nest in Thaldraszus.

Could play into the developing Titan Keepers = bad storyline. We see whether their allegiance lies with Odyn or they join the rest of the dragonkind.

[Abraxan]

So, without knowing what 11.0 is, yet, how do you hope Dragonflight ends? I'm not talking about patches, or patch names, or dates, or anything like that. I mean pure speculation on what will be the END of Dragonflight?

we have a final raid defending tyrhold from iridikron. tyr decides to do something that will be catastrophic to the dragon isles to stop iridikron. alexstrasza defies him to protect the dragons and their free will. Iridikron takes advantage of this to complete whatever he's trying to do (defile/destroy/do something to tyrhold to make it send a signal that lures the titans), then flees into the next expansion.

[Catastrophy349]

I wonder if they'll actually do something with the Stormdrake nest in Thaldraszus.

Yeah, definitely would love to see that area used for something.

[Cheezits]

They also tease Cloud Serpents being a titan creation with the Ulderoth invasion (already foreshadowed by Elegon). Would be nice to tie in those with the storm drakes as well.

[Imotbh]

Current bets for 10.3 :

- Red dragonflight related
- Maybe a titan raid but there will be void at some point (as in Aberrus) / No clue about the new zone at the moment, could be anything
- Iridikron trying to corrupt Alexstrasza with his voidy Dragon Soul
- Iridikron is still the last boss BUT either he doesn't die OR he "triggers" the next expansion with his voidy DS
- Tyr will regret was he has done and will help fix that by vanquishing the Incarnates, maybe even helping in the future depending on next expansion
- Vyranoth will turn on Fyrakk/Iridikron => she'll get killed by either one (so could be in 10.2 too)

[Ersula]

IF we get another Fated season, I think it would be in addition to 10.3 and it could, for instance, replace 10.3.7 since the link between DF and the next expansion will probably be done during 11.0 prepatch as usual.

Yes, I think 10.3 will conclude the Iridikron storyline, with a new raid; probably a smaller raid. Then 10.3.5 will have the fated raids, rolled out halfway through DF season 4. Then instead of 10.3.7 the autumn release will just be the 11.0 pre-patch & its associated events.

10.3.7 is almost certainly going to be cut I imagine. 10.3.5 will probably be there just to have some post raid fixes and QoL changes, as well as Fated raid which should function both as a soft raid nerf, and some easy extra content.

The brilliant thing Blizzard realized this expansion is to release content more often even if that content is small. They've figured out that everything that isn't a raid can be pushed into the next release. This allows them to not postpone an entire patch just because one part of it isn't finished. For example, Fyrakk assaults and the UI improvements could have been transposed with the Time Rifts & Whelp Daycare, with the Assaults coming in 10.1.5 and the Time Rifts coming out in 10.1 depending on which features were ready to go. This is so convenient for the developers that I think two minor patches between major patches will become the norm: Although I actually think 10.3.7 was never going to be a thing because I think the next expansion's pre-patch is going to serve that same function. (10.3 > 10.3.5 > 11.0 > Expansion Release Date)

Shadowlands: Released on November 23, 2020
9.2 released on February 22, 2022 and 9.2.5 (second part-fated season) released on August 2, 2022
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 3-4 MONTHS (counting 9.2.5 as final patch and 9 MONTHS counting 9.2 as final patch)

Dragonflight: Released on November 28, 2022

I think you need to focus more on the overall length of the expansion rather than the time between patches, especially minor patches.

World of Warcraft Original Release Date: November 23rd, 2004
Burning Crusade Original Release Date: January 16th, 2007
Length of Vanilla Era: 25 months, 3 weeks
Wrath of the Lich King Original Release Date: November 13th, 2008
Length of BC Era: 22 months
Cataclysm Original Release Date: December 10th, 2010
Length of WotLK Era: 25 months
Mists of Pandaria Original Release Date: September 25th, 2012
Length of Cata Era: 21 months, 2 weeks
Warlords of Draenor Release Date: November 13th, 2014
Length of MoP Era: 25 months, 2 weeks
Legion Original Release Date: August 30th, 2016
Length of WoD Era: 21 months, 2 weeks
Battle for Azeroth Original Release Date: August 14th, 2018 (Honestly, the least accurate expansion title)
Length of Legion Era: 23 months, 2 weeks
Shadowlands Original Release Date: November 23th, 2020
Length of BFA Era: 27 months, 1 week
Dragonflight Original Release Date: November 28th, 2022
Length of SDL or whatever its abbreviation is: 24 months, 1 week

So the average length of WoW Expansions has always been 24 months. (2 years)

So everyone saying the release date of 11.0 is going to be August, that would make Dragonflight's era 21 months. Unless they're planning 11.0's era to be 27 months (Which they might be, team world revamp) 24 months (November 2024) is always the date they're aiming for & the chances of the release date being further from that date decrease the further from that number it goes.

[Catastrophy349]

Yes, I think 10.3 will conclude the Iridikron storyline, with a new raid; probably a smaller raid. Then 10.3.5 will have the fated raids, rolled out halfway through DF season 4. Then instead of 10.3.7 the autumn release will just be the 11.0 pre-patch & its associated events.The brilliant thing Blizzard realized this expansion is to release content more often even if that content is small. They've figured out that everything that isn't a raid can be pushed into the next release. This allows them to not postpone an entire patch just because one part of it isn't finished. For example, Fyrakk assaults and the UI improvements could have been transposed with the Time Rifts & Whelp Daycare, with the Assaults coming in 10.1.5 and the Time Rifts coming out in 10.1 depending on which features were ready to go. This is so convenient for the developers that I think two minor patches between major patches will become the norm: Although I actually think 10.3.7 was never going to be a thing because I think the next expansion's pre-patch is going to serve that same function. (10.3 > 10.3.5 > 11.0 > Expansion Release Date)I think you need to focus more on the overall length of the expansion rather than the time between patches, especially minor patches.

World of Warcraft Original Release Date: November 23rd, 2004
Burning Crusade Original Release Date: January 16th, 2007
Length of Vanilla Era: 25 months, 3 weeks
Wrath of the Lich King Original Release Date: November 13th, 2008
Length of BC Era: 22 months
Cataclysm Original Release Date: December 10th, 2010
Length of WotLK Era: 25 months
Mists of Pandaria Original Release Date: September 25th, 2012
Length of Cata Era: 21 months, 2 weeks
Warlords of Draenor Release Date: November 13th, 2014
Length of MoP Era: 25 months, 2 weeks
Legion Original Release Date: August 30th, 2016
Length of WoD Era: 21 months, 2 weeks
Battle for Azeroth Original Release Date: August 14th, 2018 (Honestly, the least accurate expansion title)
Length of Legion Era: 23 months, 2 weeks
Shadowlands Original Release Date: November 23th, 2020
Length of BFA Era: 27 months, 1 week
Dragonflight Original Release Date: November 28th, 2022
Length of SDL or whatever its abbreviation is: 24 months, 1 week

So the average length of WoW Expansions has always been 24 months. (2 years)

So everyone saying the release date of 11.0 is going to be August, that would make Dragonflight's era 21 months. Unless they're planning 11.0's era to be 27 months (Which they might be, team world revamp) 24 months (November 2024) is always the date they're aiming for & the chances of the release date being further from that date decrease the further from that number it goes.

Yeah, when I posted the dates, it was more about the time between patches (down time) because some people were losing their minds over having "too much dead time" between the end of DF and 11.0. Overall, 2 years is the "general timeline" for an expansion, so yeah, Fall 2024 is the most logical.

[Syegfryed]

I gotta say that even if the story was better I'd get sick of seeing dragons if it was solely that.

Thats why cataclysm worked, you had dragons, humanoids with the twilight cult, elemental shenanigans and faction conflict to spice things up

This expansion seems like is cataclysm 2. in terms of thematic, but it misses key bullet points that made that expaansion better.

[Skildar]

Thats why cataclysm worked, you had dragons, humanoids with the twilight cult, elemental shenanigans and faction conflict to spice things up

This expansion seems like is cataclysm 2. in terms of thematic, but it misses key bullet points that made that expaansion better.

Cataclysm barely worked because it was all over the place

[Cheezits]

I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".

[Skildar]

I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".

I wished that for dragonflight we would have had a bit of background to how the hell primalists, aka twilight 2.0, came to existence and recruited so many people. It feels like Blizzard didn't learn from cataclysm

at least their mission statement is not let's bring the end of the world

[Raetary]

I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".

Tbf, the Primalists are worse in that regard. (though, they are visually vastly more interesting)

The twillights had a face, with Cho'gall, Benedictus, Sintharia, etc.
They have had more than enough time to infiltrate Azerothian societies to recruit.
And their nature as a Void cult means that anyone that ever dealt with them would have been exposed to void influence.

The Primalists don't have any of that.
Their most interesting character, the Grimtotem in Raid 1, had a total of like 30 seconds of screentime before he died.
We have absolutely no idea how they managed to amass the followers they have.
And while we know their overarching goal thanks to the Incarnates, we know nothing of the ambitions that drive their forces.

[Radioactive]

Since Blizzard updated the model of many old monsters in the last expansions, what can we expect next? Kobolds, troggs? What would be their roles? I can't rememeber if troggs were updated with Uldaman.

[Raetary]

Since Blizzard updated the model of many old monsters in the last expansions, what can we expect next? Kobolds, troggs? What would be their roles? I can't rememeber if troggs were updated with Uldaman.

Both of those have had their models updated.

Pretty sure what's left are the more obscure creatures, like Bog Beasts and Giraffes.

[Hitei]

Dood in Reddit called vstorm posted this

Ancient.

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...aconcept_maps/

Map of Kezan and the Undermine as seen on the World of Warcraft Behind the Scenes DVD.

[nanoneo]

ok then I got trolled - deleted it

[Catastrophy349]

I'll never forget when images from the Dragonflight CGI got leaked like a day or two before the announcement and the images of the new talents/Dracthyr Race.

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Any bets on that happening again with 11.0?

[Imotbh]

I'll never forget when images from the Dragonflight CGI got leaked like a day or two before the announcement and the images of the new talents/Dracthyr Race.

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Any bets on that happening again with 11.0?

I think we often get a real leak but, as you said, only 1-2 days before the announcement.

[nanoneo]

I think we often get a real leak but, as you said, only 1-2 days before the announcement.

Wasn’t the bastion artwork and the legion leak in the 8.0 thread and the legion Chinese riddle („the sliver hand“) weeks before announcement?