The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

MoP was not "famillar" it was incredibly different, so different that people moaned that it didn't feel like Warcraft(Oh that again). It had elements that we were famillar with(We did get to see Titan related stuff but outside the two factions it was a very foriegn place).


And f off with the Alliance inner conflict stuff. Just throwing the Horde's past two times of inner conflict onto the other faction is lazy and dumb.

Edit: My bluntness for it is only cause I'm tired of people suggesting it when there's far better things to do with it.

Any argument as to why the Alliance doesn’t need conflict? I’ve never seen you present an argument except for the implication that you just don’t like it. That as well as your insistence that WoW dragons are an interesting portrayal of dragons just suggests to me that you just want cookie cutter good vs. evil and that you aren’t interested in any moral ambiguity. Which is fine but from a narrative standpoint it’s incredibly boring and you’re likely to be the minority in terms of wanting that.

[Cheezits]

We don't need Alliance conflict, it never needed it. It just needed development and not lazy things like reusing the same idea the Horde had to go through for two expansions. No more factions fighting itself. And furthermore Void Elves weren't really an "interesting development aside from Alleria's unique new storyline with the Void. Which didn't really get touched upon except maybe her comment the whispers increasing despite N'zoth's "death."

The void elves bring both void-practicing ex-Blood Elves and High Elves into the fold of the Alliance. The implications and potential are probably the biggest thing to come from the Allied Races, it just wasn't used very well in BFA.

I think Man'ari will be the next step of the increasing space/cosmic race subfaction (three flavors of Eredar + Void Elves) on Alliance. Which frankly have more implications for future plots than the Kul Tirans or Mechagnomes do, though I'm sure they'd still be used in the event of a revamp or something similar.

[micwini]

I honestly think that it was pretty disappointing that the rebellion questline didn't have much VA or any even, i might not remember it correctly, but yeah it was cool that they added some dialogue choices there and you're right about Alex and dragons.


I won't be sad if 10.2 will end up being the last patch of DF, but who knows maybe 10.2 will knock it out of the park.

It's funny. The options I picked were not at all considered in the following dialogue. To the question earlier what my biggest gripes are: One I forgot about is one that has been present for a few years now, which is the apparent influence of modern politics on ingame lore. Thats a very easy way to break immersion. I loved that the lore was always based on kingdoms and cultures from the far past. Made for a more fantasylike and immersable world.

[Catastrophy349]

I'm so excited to discuss 10.1.7 and 10.2 stuff with all of you soon enough, then speculating on what it all means for the future!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Any argument as to why the Alliance doesn’t need conflict? I’ve never seen you present an argument except for the implication that you just don’t like it. That as well as your insistence that WoW dragons are an interesting portrayal of dragons just suggests to me that you just won’t cookie cutter good vs. evil and that you aren’t interested in any moral ambiguity. Which is fine but from a narrative standpoint it’s incredibly boring and you’re likely to be the minority in terms of wanting that.

You need an argument why the alliance needs conflict not the other way around.

Turalyon has been shown again and again to be reasonable and willing to work with any power and forgive great sins like what Illidan did, the night elfs were pissed in BFA but have no reason to fight when they can just do there own thing like in BFA, Moria has been doing every thing legit since Cata, the house of nobles was cleaned up by anduin, and even Genn chilled out and realized not all forsaken are as evil as sylvanas.

There just no reason for any conflict with in the alliance unless there going to make a character do a 180 out of no where.

[Cheezits]

You need an argument why the alliance needs conflict not the other way around.

Turalyon has been shown again and again to be reasonable and willing to work with any power and forgive great sins like what Illidan did, the night elfs were pissed in BFA but have no reason to fight when they can just do there own thing like in BFA, Moria has been doing every thing legit since Cata, the house of nobles was cleaned up by anduin, and even Genn chilled out and realized not all forsaken are as evil as sylvanas.

There just no reason for any conflict with in the alliance unless there going to make a character do a 180 out of no where.

This actually isn't true, it was stated by Shaw but the heritage quest and specifically the newer follow-up dialogs imply that Shaw was either overstating it or is unaware of the remaining corruption in the nobles. Considering they purposefully tied Turalyon to the House of Nobles a few times, I think that is worth mentioning.

Like the follow-up quests specifically state that there is more cleaning to do, and it is the first quest to really establish more families in the HON and imply a follow-up storyline about them versus the newly-created House of the People.

Moria, Genn and Tyrande I can't see being use for future conflict, but the Stormwind/Noble/Turalyon thing is something to keep an eye on. As well as the Scarlets and Man'ari questlines, both of which may introduce some kind of conflict with Light-users.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This actually isn't true, it was stated by Shaw but the heritage quest and specifically the newer follow-up dialogs imply that Shaw was either overstating it or is unaware of the remaining corruption in the nobles. Considering they purposefully tied Turalyon to the House of Nobles a few times, I think that is worth mentioning.

Like the follow-up quests specifically state that there is more cleaning to do, and it is the first quest to really establish more families in the HON and imply a follow-up storyline about them versus the newly-created House of the People.

Moria, Genn and Tyrande I can't see being use for future conflict, but the Stormwind/Noble/Turalyon thing is something to keep an eye on.

Didn’t know there was a follow up quest I’ll have to find that on my human.

But even then Turalyon just doesn’t have any set up to cause problems at the moment so at best we could get the nobles pulling some sort of coup but it’s not like they would have any support in the alliance so it would just be a within stormwind thing.

[Sondrelk]

There's nothing wrong with Alliance conflict, it just needs to be done well. I think some leaders being understandably concerned about Velen letting ex-Legion members into his city is an interesting premise. It's probably the most interesting Alliance development since Void Elves, which still hasn't paid off.

Considering EVERYTHING Blizz has done since BFA, I really really really doubt we will see any retreads of how Garrosh/Sylvanas was handled.

Personally I think the part that would be the hardest to pull off about those questlines is that they would have to take place in areas actually relevant to the factions at hand, which means a revamp.
It wouldn't make sense to have the Dark Iron resurgence plotline anywhere but the Dwarf zones. Even a hypothetical Dwarf adjacent zone like Khaz Algar setting off tensions would still require us to actually go back to old zones to have a fitting resolution.

[Cheezits]

Didn’t know there was a follow up quest I’ll have to find that on my human.

But even then Turalyon just doesn’t have any set up to cause problems at the moment so at best we could get the nobles pulling some sort of coup but it’s not like they would have any support in the alliance so it would just be a within stormwind thing.

It's pretty interesting, it's the first real continuation of Stormwind City lore since Cata.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/human-h...t-guild-334134

Listen, there's no doubt in my mind that the House of Nobles will try to put a stop to the guild. Count Clessington was evidence enough that there are still many who are only in it for power. Where there is power, there is always corruption.

The House needs change and it starts here. It starts with the people. With their voices joined together loud enough to be heard behind the locked doors of the House. It can only help to already have my voice echoing them, inside.

So that's what I will fight for in the House. Not a House of Nobles, but a House of the People.

I'm certain this won't be met favorably by most other nobles. Not yet. But a few of the younger ones, like Joran here, have already started to listen.

This all sounds suspiciously like setup for a new Human questline, one that could go all over the Stormwind kingdom...

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Personally I think the part that would be the hardest to pull off about those questlines is that they would have to take place in areas actually relevant to the factions at hand, which means a revamp.
It wouldn't make sense to have the Dark Iron resurgence plotline anywhere but the Dwarf zones. Even a hypothetical Dwarf adjacent zone like Khaz Algar setting off tensions would still require us to actually go back to old zones to have a fitting resolution.

Well the "connection to existing races thing" it's one of the reasons I predict at least a partial revamp. That and the future zones that may not all be in one continent, pointing to another expansion with zones all over the place (like how Cataclysm was handled).

So far the only namedrops are Avaloren and Khaz Algar, and supposedly Avaloren is NOT a titan/keeper area (heretic), so the Earthen in Khaz may not exactly be right next to them.

[Santandame]

You need an argument why the alliance needs conflict not the other way around.

Turalyon has been shown again and again to be reasonable and willing to work with any power and forgive great sins like what Illidan did, the night elfs were pissed in BFA but have no reason to fight when they can just do there own thing like in BFA, Moria has been doing every thing legit since Cata, the house of nobles was cleaned up by anduin, and even Genn chilled out and realized not all forsaken are as evil as sylvanas.

There just no reason for any conflict with in the alliance unless there going to make a character do a 180 out of no where.

My question was aimed at why they don’t want Alliance conflict; because I’ve never seen them present an argument why it shouldn’t happen, only that the idea of it makes them uncomfortable for some reason.

Of course story development would need to happen to introduce conflict in the Alliance; but that’s how you develop a story - you introduce new or different elements. An event could happen that fractures the Alliance or makes them question their relations with each of the races inside of it. A new or returning character (Yrel) could be introduced to seed conflict. As has already been stated, Turalyon is still a character to watch and there is still the House of Lords to contest with in Stormwind. Whilst the ship has sailed with Tyrande, Genn and Moira there are still characters that can bring about conflict.

It’s the writers job to create the story. If they want to create conflict in the Alliance for the Warcraft narrative, then there are plenty of ways they can do it. The faction desperately needs something because they are totally vanilla and devoid of any character or identity apart from Stormwind and the colour blue.

[Worldshaper]

Do we know anything about the promotion today? I hope it's something a little meatier than the recent ones for Ukraine and Twitch. Maybe a store mog or mount that is a clue about the future?

[Cheezits]

Do we know anything about the promotion today? I hope it's something a little meatier than the recent ones for Ukraine and Twitch. Maybe a store mog or mount that is a clue about the future?

There is a purple gigaMurloc mount tied to the shop in 10.1.7, so it may be that.

[Valysar]

Do we know anything about the promotion today? I hope it's something a little meatier than the recent ones for Ukraine and Twitch. Maybe a store mog or mount that is a clue about the future?

The store mog is for September 1st, so today can be a mount/pet/toy

[Worldshaper]

There is a purple gigaMurloc mount tied to the shop in 10.1.7, so it may be that.

Oof. Okay I guess we might find out in 2 minutes.

Hopefully that empty gap in the schedule tomorrow is meant for a surprise.

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The store mog is for September 1st, so today can be a mount/pet/toy

That one seems cool, like a backpack of sorts.

[Cheezits]

That one seems cool, like a backpack of sorts.

Yeah that one is VERY likely the backpack mog that was datamined.

Has there been a week in a while where there WASN'T something scheduled on a weekday? That seems odd to me too.

[Valysar]

Anything can be more cool at this point, if we compare to the last store mog It was so ugly imo, not worth the cost

[Lorgar Aurelian]

My question was aimed at why they don’t want Alliance conflict; because I’ve never seen them present an argument why it shouldn’t happen, only that the idea of it makes them uncomfortable for some reason.

Of course story development would need to happen to introduce conflict in the Alliance; but that’s how you develop a story - you introduce new or different elements. An event could happen that fractures the Alliance or makes them question their relations with each of the races inside of it. A new or returning character (Yrel) could be introduced to seed conflict. As has already been stated, Turalyon is still a character to watch and there is still the House of Lords to contest with in Stormwind. Whilst the ship has sailed with Tyrande, Genn and Moira there are still characters that can bring about conflict.

It’s the writers job to create the story. If they want to create conflict in the Alliance for the Warcraft narrative, then there are plenty of ways they can do it. The faction desperately needs something because they are totally vanilla and devoid of any character or identity apart from Stormwind and the colour blue.

There are ways to seed conflict but not with the characters we currently have unless some one like Turyalon does a 180 and they throw away every that has been done with him since legion.

So yes while it is a writers job to create the story it’s a good writers job to properly set the stage and develop it properly which hasn’t happened at all.

Injecting conflict just for the sake of it with no set up is just bad writing and they’d need atleast an expan to get things ready to do it properly.

[Cheezits]

Anything can be more cool at this point, if we compare to the last store mog It was so ugly imo, not worth the cost

I have not been a fan of any of the transmog sets, though I know people really liked that phoenix one.

I think if they sold lore-friendly race armor and weapons they would make a killing, but maybe they aren't doing that on purpose to be nice. Though..... we still don't know why they added the dwarf armor and tabard, that could be what this is.

[Catastrophy349]

Getting the copium tanks out for my friends here. Setting yourselves up for disappointment, again (like Chromie).

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[Worldshaper]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/...988106908?s=20

This is not a drill!