The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Villager720]

So...

Fyrakk wants a power within the new world tree.

What specific power is that? The power of life? The power of death? Elune's power? The Winter Queen's power?

...Why not ... all of those come to think of it?

[Sondrelk]

It's this I think.



Exactly, so not all of it is in there.

The clues tend to be datamined offhandedly in later patches though, don't they?
Iron Horde junk items, or the Kul Tiras cloth set mesh.

[Marlamin]

That is so on the nose with the "LOL PIRATES" that I wonder if they are doing it to troll Bellular and the gang.

This was made on June 27th so if they made their theory videos before that, maybe! Not sure they'd care enough to do some trolls like that, though.

The clues tend to be datamined offhandedly in later patches though, don't they?
Iron Horde junk items, or the Kul Tiras cloth set mesh.

Hmm?

[Cheezits]

The clues tend to be datamined offhandedly in later patches though, don't they?
Iron Horde junk items, or the Kul Tiras cloth set mesh.

Shop mounts (and now items) sometimes foreshadow future expansions, that's different than actual leaked things in the files. The only thing I would say is an actual file leak that may be relevant to a future expansion is the Jinyu 2.0 stuff from launch.

The Dream warglaive icon leak predicted 10.2, but I can't think of anything else pointing to 10.3 or 11.0. The Jinyu thing could be seen as leftover from BFA/SL AR development but with the very-Jinyu-looking shop mount, I'm not sure it is.

[Sondrelk]

- After a time skip, Dagran Thaussarian comes of age. He turns out to be a mean spirited boy/young Dwarf. He retains some of his fathers malice and is aghast that Dwarves, children of the Titans are playing second fiddle in the Alliance to the humans and secretly plots in the background to upend power from Stormwind and become the major power of the Alliance.

Dagran to me sounded more like his arc would be similar to Anduin honestly. He is too nice, when leadership of the Dwarf Clans require being firm and uncompromising.

[Worldshaper]

I'm guessing the seed can be reverse-engineered for some kind or reorigination purpose. Or it has something to do with using Elune and WQ energies to fight the Titans.

That or Uldaz is in the Dream and it's some kind of Forge of Origination 2.0 (maybe that's the copy of it in the Dream? Would be pretty funny)

Maybe... but it's interesting to consider it in the scheme of things. What did they all want?

Razageth wanted to liberate her three siblings and get all this in motion.

Iridikron wanted the essence of Galakrond for the Harbinger. But he also said he wanted to snatch the Titans' prize from their grasp.

Fyrakk wanted (or was told to) swim in Shadowflame to then take the power within the heart of Amidrassil.

What does Vyranoth want? She reminds her brother about their real cause, to "break the Titans' grip on this world, not steal their childrens' future". Children presumably meaning the Dragons or us.

But does the tree's essence in any way connect with Galakrond's essence? Is there a correlation or a theme there?

- Amirdrassil, essence of Life or Death due to its origins?
- Galakrond, essence of Void?

- Amirdrassil, essence of Order given it is inside the Dream?

[Xilurm]

So the question is, will Vyranoth change sides?

[Raetary]

This pretty much confirms it, Vyranoth will split off and become good/neutral.

And Fyrakk is fantastic.
I love his unhinged evil.

So...

Fyrakk wants a power within the new world tree.

What specific power is that? The power of life? The power of death? Elune's power? Ysera's power? The Winter Queen's power?

All of the above?
He's obviously refering to the power of the seed.
A tear of Elune, empowered by the WQ and a ton of Nelven anima.

[Catastrophy349]

I just can't wait to see the context of this cinematic in-game next week.

[Sondrelk]

Shop mounts (and now items) sometimes foreshadow future expansions, that's different than actual leaked things in the files. The only thing I would say is an actual file leak that may be relevant to a future expansion is the Jinyu 2.0 stuff from launch.

Saying they foreshadow future expansions is always a bit of a stretch. It's clear that they are made by using models from the future expansion, but the connection to what said expansions are tends to be tenous.
The only one that you could point to as a definite clue was the Runed Manasaber pointing to highborne elves.

The clues i am thinking of are the ones that always seemed a bit suspicious in how random they are. As I mentioned, the Iron Horde junk item datamined in MoP, or the Kul Titan cloth set armro mesh in Lrgion

[Catastrophy349]

Also, this has me very excited for 10.2, too.

[Cheezits]

Was this meant to drop today? I wonder why they didn't drop it tomorrow (a day with supposedly no news).

[Worldshaper]

It's this I think.



Exactly, so not all of it is in there.

That's a nice pack, and a nice clue (or troll).

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This pretty much confirms it, Vyranoth will split off and become good/neutral.

And Fyrakk is fantastic.
I love his unhinged evil.




All of the above?
He's obviously refering to the power of the seed.
A tear of Elune, empowered by the WQ and a ton of Nelven anima.

I love how bombastic Fyrakk was in this, if that makes sense. He doesn't speak in a lot of the cinematics IIRC, but he really commanded your attention here.

[Cheezits]

This was made on June 27th so if they made their theory videos before that, maybe! Not sure they'd care enough to do some trolls like that, though.

It would be a fun nod to the speculation, but pirate stuff has honestly been foreshadowed by Blizz as early as the short story (the Jaina mention) and Forbidden Reach. This is just a continuation (like the Diplomat mog and, tentatively, the Wavewhisker). So I can see it tying to their little breadcrumb chain.

Throw in the Jinyu file thing and that's a bunch of water/nautical stuff. They may just be having a very Piratey year at Blizz but...

[Catastrophy349]

There's actually quite a bit to dissect from the cinematic if you re-watch it a few times.

[Valysar]

Vyranoth will obviously change side, or kill Fyrakk. But we'll see what happens with Iridikron if she does this

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dagran to me sounded more like his arc would be similar to Anduin honestly. He is too nice, when leadership of the Dwarf Clans require being firm and uncompromising.

Thats more dumb inner conflict and well both Humans and Dwarves are "children of the Titans" (I hate the curse of flesh lore) by current understanding so this supposed storyline is stupid and Anduin "too nice" just reads like nobody is allowed to be too compassionate in WoW and besides he did take up arms in BFA. I don't think we should just act like manchildren and only want warmongers in every single racial faction.

What does Vyranoth want? She reminds her brother about their real cause, to "break the Titans' grip on this world, not steal their childrens' future". Children presumably meaning the Dragons or us.

Her goals don't align necessarily with unhinged Fyrakk and well whatever the hell Iridakron plans. I doubt Vyranoth even knows(Same with Fyrakk probably) of his Dark Bargain.

I think for the incarnates its

Fyrakk: Cause utter chaos, burn everything, go nuts on everyone regardless of who it is.

Vyranoth: No Titan influence in relation to the dragon eggs and such(Being forced on it), despite...well this world has a Titan World soul in it and well Dragons wouldn't exist if not for Tyr's involvement and well I prefer Dragons then proto drakes but I digress.

Iridakron: Take Azeroth's world soul away from the Titans and possibly kill them. There's no actual "I don't want Order infused eggs or forced to take Order stuff(Even though......thats how Dragons even came to be in the first place unless they ret con that).

[Worldshaper]

There's actually quite a bit to dissect from the cinematic if you re-watch it a few times.

- Green dragon attacked, but resolute.
- Fyrakk goes nuts and shadowflame becomes visible around the eyes when he does (almost looks like he's trying to influence that green dragon's mind).
- Vyranoth tries to reason with Fyrakk, doesn't want casualties. Goes as far as attack him.
- World tree has a power within its heart, Fyrakk wants it.

Did I miss anything else?

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ICYMI, there are also a few discounted game services right now, such as character transfers and race changes.

[Darkarath]

- Green dragon attacked, but resolute.
- Fyrakk goes nuts and shadowflame becomes visible around the eyes when he does (almost looks like he's trying to influence that green dragon's mind).
- Vyranoth tries to reason with Fyrakk, doesn't want casualties. Goes as far as attack him.
- World tree has a power within its heart, Fyrakk wants it.

Did I miss anything else?

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ICYMI, there are also a few discounted game services right now, such as character transfers and race changes.

You forgot to mention Fyrakk innate coolness.

[Cheezits]

Her goals don't align necessarily with unhinged Fyrakk and well whatever the hell Iridakron plans. I doubt Vyranoth even knows(Same with Fyrakk probably) of his Dark Bargain.

I'm starting to think that Vyranoth knows Iridikron's plan with the mystery disc, and the issue instead lies with Fyrakk going too crazy. That would segue nicely to 10.3 if it is Titan themed as that disc is probably gonna be aimed at Azeroth's heart and someone is going to need to aim it.