The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

If 10.2 has a dream zone in addition to the tree, it would be pretty cool if they use the Zaralek tech and have a seemless transition into the dream rather than make us use a portal.

Have the boughs/roots of the tree magically connect to the dream, and we can fly into them to move between zones.

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...264189028?s=20 It's all coming together nicely <3

[Imotbh]

Danuser said no Incarnate would completely turn good, they're all too far gone. That being said, I stand by this:

Vyranoth will turn on Fyrakk/Iridikron => she'll get killed by either one (so could be in 10.2 too)

I think we expected something like this would happen, we just needed to know what exactly I'm voting for her sacrificing to save Alexstrasza/Ysera/Merithra/the tree (pick your preferred choice ).

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...264189028?s=20 It's all coming together nicely <3

That guard armor is 100% unrelated, but the other three are kind of on the nose.

- - - Updated - - -

Vyranoth will obviously change side, or kill Fyrakk. But we'll see what happens with Iridikron if she does this

I think Vyranoth will help us kill Fyrakk somehow, and then Tyr or Iri will kill Vyranoth. Nice way to spur Alex into action and get her pissed.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm starting to think that Vyranoth knows Iridikron's plan with the mystery disc, and the issue instead lies with Fyrakk going too crazy. That would segue nicely to 10.3 if it is Titan themed as that disc is probably gonna be aimed at Azeroth's heart and someone is going to need to aim it.

I don't think she really knows, she seems to be far less spiteful and angry and I don't see her ok with Azeroth turning into a Void hellscape. I imagine the World Tree defense is again another distraction. I mean I could be wrong but the fact she wasn't as ruthless with that Nelf(Or was it a Dragon). It is kinda interesting the Incarnates are kinda almost facing their own Deathwing problem. They aren't as united as we thought.

[loras]

Maybe... but it's interesting to consider it in the scheme of things. What did they all want?

Razageth wanted to liberate her three siblings and get all this in motion.

Iridikron wanted the essence of Galakrond for the Harbinger. But he also said he wanted to snatch the Titans' prize from their grasp.

Fyrakk wanted (or was told to) swim in Shadowflame to then take the power within the heart of Amidrassil.

What does Vyranoth want? She reminds her brother about their real cause, to "break the Titans' grip on this world, not steal their childrens' future". Children presumably meaning the Dragons or us.

But does the tree's essence in any way connect with Galakrond's essence? Is there a correlation or a theme there?

- Amirdrassil, essence of Life or Death due to its origins?
- Galakrond, essence of Void?

- Amirdrassil, essence of Order given it is inside the Dream?

Yogg-Saron's power corrupted a world tree before, and it was his power that gave rise to Galakrond.

[Villager720]

Vyranoth will obviously change side, or kill Fyrakk. But we'll see what happens with Iridikron if she does this

I'm honestly not sure Iridikron cares about them at this point (or maybe ever?).
He essentially sacrificed Fyrakk's mental state to shadowflame just to serve as a distraction and now he's seemingly accomplished what he needed for the void and peaced out.
Those actions combined with Alexstraza's initial warnings about how the other Incarnates didn't know just how depraved Iridikron was prior to imprisonment points to a pattern of duplicity with his 'kin'.

[Cheezits]

I don't think she really knows, she seems to be far less spiteful and angry and I don't see her ok with Azeroth turning into a Void hellscape. I imagine the World Tree defense is again another distraction.

I think they would be wise to not do the Sylvanas story of "silly woman does not know big bad man's true plan" again but it is definitely possible they learned nothing.

[Worldshaper]

I'm starting to think that Vyranoth knows Iridikron's plan with the mystery disc, and the issue instead lies with Fyrakk going too crazy. That would segue nicely to 10.3 if it is Titan themed as that disc is probably gonna be aimed at Azeroth's heart and someone is going to need to aim it.

I almost feel like Vyranoth is one of those double-agents, both helping the bad guy achieve its goals and attempting to minimise casualties, at the risk of her own life. But her interaction with Alex kind of puts a doubt on that, too.

She definitely feels like a candidate for swapping sides, though. It's like Blizzard doesn't want her too far gone in our view when she does.

- - - Updated - - -

Yogg-Saron's power corrupted a world tree before, and it was his power that gave rise to Galakrond.

I almost wonder if we're really seeing a type of "Thanos" scenario here, collecting the six essences or something.

[Santandame]

Thats more dumb inner conflict and well both Humans and Dwarves are "children of the Titans" (I hate the curse of flesh lore) by current understanding so this supposed storyline is stupid and Anduin "too nice" just reads like nobody is allowed to be too compassionate in WoW and besides he did take up arms in BFA. I don't think we should just act like manchildren and only want warmongers in every single racial faction.






Her goals don't align necessarily with unhinged Fyrakk and well whatever the hell Iridakron plans. I doubt Vyranoth even knows(Same with Fyrakk probably) of his Dark Bargain.

I think for the incarnates its

Fyrakk: Cause utter chaos, burn everything, go nuts on everyone regardless of who it is.

Vyranoth: No Titan influence in relation to the dragon eggs and such(Being forced on it), despite...well this world has a Titan World soul in it and well Dragons wouldn't exist if not for Tyr's involvement and well I prefer Dragons then proto drakes but I digress.

Iridakron: Take Azeroth's world soul away from the Titans and possibly kill them. There's no actual "I don't want Order infused eggs or forced to take Order stuff(Even though......thats how Dragons even came to be in the first place unless they ret con that).

I’m still waiting for you to argue why you think Alliance conflict would be bad from a storytelling perspective apart from that it makes you uncomfortable and that you think it’s “stupid” for whatever reason.

Conflict doesn’t mean warmongering. Conflict also doesn’t mean characters are acting like “man children”. Unless you’re saying those of us who want war and conflict in world of WARcraft are the men children? Which only speaks volumes about your maturity and why it’s best to take what you say with a pinch of salt.

[Imotbh]

That guard armor is 100% unrelated, but the other three are kind of on the nose.

That guard armor is 100% related as, let's say, an NPC guard appearance for instance? A little more conquistador-y than those yet very close (Boralus guards):

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I think they would be wise to not do the Sylvanas story of "silly woman does not know big bad man's true plan" again but it is definitely possible they learned nothing.

Its not the same situation, like thats a backwards interpatation of this. Its one thing to ally against someone who had the power that caused you to be what you are right now not knowing of their true intent(Undeath, Domination blah blah), its another to have someone, their own kin(Which Sylvanas is not an eternal last I freaking checked) and also both weren't imprisoned

[Reive]

vyranoth will probably die to help us against fyrakk. i feel like they will clash and he will overpower her like it was happening in the cinematic

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You say that as if the story in WoW isn’t pretty bad as it is from a writing perspective.

the story in wow is pretty bad but you don’t fix that by putting in more bad writing, we need course correction not to go further down the bad pipe line.

- Now the Manari are joining the Draenei, whilst some Draenei welcome them back with open arms, many of the Draenei people are outraged at Veblen

this only works for our goats with the light forged and Turyalon already accepting that legion members can join there cause with a dread lord doing so.

- After a time skip, Dagran Thaussarian comes of age. He turns out to be a mean spirited boy/young Dwarf.

we’ve already seen the kid in a novel and he doesn’t lean into any of this, we have also had Moria cracking down hard on dark irons who think this way so it would be none sensical for him to have any bad influences to twist him towards this post anduin dispersing.

- Whilst Tyrande has forgiven the Horde and is beginning to advocate for lasting peace, many Night Elves do not.

we have already seen that that wardens sentinels and Druids were on the chiller side with Tyranda being the stand out for wanting conflict, there’s just no group to take up this conflict unless they make some new civilian militia which should be put down instantly.

There’s several avenues to go down.

with the current stage of things there really isn’t with only the goats being a reasonable thing to do at the moment.

If we want proper conflict we need proper set up, unless we are just going to wallow in horrible writing where characters and groups turn on a dime with no thought put into it.

[Makabreska]

vyranoth will probably die to help us against fyrakk. i feel like they will clash and he will overpower her like it was happening in the cinematic

This is also my take. She wont officially join us, but will go against Fyrakk anyway.

[Worldshaper]

Dropping the cinematic today, does that increase or decrease the chances of seeing a surprise 10.2 announcement and PTR tomorrow, do you think?

We now know the gist of the story in 10.1.7. Fyrakk is bonkers and wants the power of the tree, will find a way to enter the dream in this patch. Vyranoth is sort of conflicted and might swap sides. We don't know exactly how it'll play out, but still.

A 10.2 announcement wouldn't really spoil 10.1.7 at this point, as long as Blizzard don't drop any cinematics for it, and encrypt the notable quests.

- - - Updated - - -

vyranoth will probably die to help us against fyrakk. i feel like they will clash and he will overpower her like it was happening in the cinematic

Unless of course, Alex shows up and they work together to defeat him, thus mending their bonds.

[Santandame]

the story in wow is pretty bad but you don’t fix that by putting in more bad writing, we need course correction not to go further down the bad pipe line.


this only works for our goats with the light forged and Turyalon already accepting that legion members can join there cause with a dread lord doing so.

we’ve already seen the kid in a novel and he doesn’t lean into any of this, we have also had Moria cracking down hard on dark irons who think this way so it would be none sensical for him to have any bad influences to twist him towards this post anduin dispersing.

we have already seen that that wardens sentinels and Druids were on the chiller side with Tyranda being the stand out for wanting conflict, there’s just no group to take up this conflict unless they make some new civilian militia which should be put down instantly.

with the current stage of things there really isn’t with only the goats being a reasonable thing to do at the moment.

If we want proper conflict we need proper set up, unless we are just going to wallow in horrible writing where characters and groups turn on a dime with no thought put into it.

Yeah fair enough, you make good points. But I’m still of the opinion conflict can make the Alliance feel a lot more refreshing and interesting as a faction, purely if it means we get to see more of the racial diversity instead of a coalition of races homogenised under the blue banner of Stormwind with no other real substance attached to them.

Better than than those who want the Alliance to be comprised of nothing but the lawful good.

[Reive]

the biggest thing tho is that a pirate expansion is all but confirmed. the latest shop pack is again pirate themed.

[Santandame]

I for one am more than happy to welcome our pirate overlords.

[Makabreska]

the biggest thing tho is that a pirate expansion is all but confirmed. the latest shop pack is again pirate themed.

Only 2 out of 4 items are pirate themed, they have been released ages ago and we have Pirate Day in 3 weeks. This does not confirm anything.