The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...579844819?s=20 Another build! This is number 3 or 4. Next week is certainly looking like the week (as predicted)!

[Teriz]

The pirates could also be our allies. We could join the pirates.

Regardless a pirate armada backed up by void entities would easily be on par with the Primalists.

Uh, allied pirates is literally the Kul’Tirans in BFA. Again, we’ve done this before, and not very long ago.

[Catastrophy349]

I should never doubt Towelliee again...

I never doubt him, but I rather not go into that on this forum (it doesn't end well).

[Kiivar86]

Sci-fi elements but they don't go full hog(Is that even a phrase?). I think people just felt all that sci-fi elements in Legion was just a bit over the top, at least at the end but more exploring demons and stuff related them, I'm down for that...eventually. Its been awhile since Legion happened.

That's fair I suppose but I don't see much an issue even still.

Golems - Robots. Portals - Stargates. Lightsabers - ...well, Lightsabers, I guess. And so on.

Maybe its just some like me who can just look at the tech stuff we saw and just accept it fitting in with zero issue. I dunno.

[Palapop]

Same. Clarke's third law and all, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." We have flying necropoli and cities, but somehow a space-faring building (read: spaceship) is too much? This game literally started with green men from a red planet invading via a stargate.

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

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She's bound to show up again sooner or later anyway. Might as well get that over with.

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I really don't get why people are so bent out of shape over combining fantasy and SciFi anyway. They're practically the same genre.

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

[huth]

Uh, allied pirates is literally the Kul’Tirans in BFA. Again, we’ve done this before, and not very long ago.

Seems like it was long enough ago that you completely forgot what actually happened. At the most, we had one singular allied pirate, and that's questionable as he doesn't do any actual pirating.

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you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

There are next to none. It's mostly a question of whether you ascribe the discrepancies to the real world to "magic" or "more advanced science", and it's perfectly possible for the answer to that to be "both".

[Teriz]

Seems like it was long enough ago that you completely forgot what actually happened. At the most, we had one singular allied pirate, and that's questionable as he doesn't do any actual pirating.

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

[Santandame]

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

Oh come on.

[huth]

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

Aside from the entire population of Drustvar and most of Stormsong, who were mostly peasants. And a sizeable portion of Tiragarde, who were monter hunters, smiths, aristocrats and other non-seafaring folk.

[Teriz]

Aside from the entire population of Drustvar and most of Stormsong, who were mostly peasants. And a sizeable portion of Tiragarde, who were monter hunters, smiths, aristocrats and other non-seafaring folk.

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users? Did you miss pretty much every Kultiran you encountered talking about their people’s connection to the sea?

[huth]

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users?

And you missed the part where about 2/3 of Kul Tirans are not seafarers of any kind and your silly nitpick is largely irrelevant to the larger picture.

[Cheezits]

Now that Teriz got Augnentation Evoker right, the next expansion will have to be Buccaneers of the Bloodsail to make up for it.

[Santandame]

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users?

There was one pirate settlement in Stormsong, not multiple. It wasn’t a shipyard either, it was a very small town next to a dried out lake - Deadwash. It was a very minor quest hub.

The rest of Stormsong was:

- The Kul Tiran’s navy shipyards
- N’Zoth cultists
- The main village Brennadan which revolved around faction conflict
- Hamlets with slice of life style questing
- Farms that dealt with the Quilboar
- Tortollan
- A Kul Tiran military base dealing with a Naga invasion
- Bees

The pirates at Deadwash were pretty much insignificant.

[Kiivar86]

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

[Makabreska]

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

[Palapop]

There are next to none. It's mostly a question of whether you ascribe the discrepancies to the real world to "magic" or "more advanced science", and it's perfectly possible for the answer to that to be "both".

Theres HUGE difference. HUUUUGE.

In both, outcome is impossible.

But the way how everything functions and the themes between SF and fantasy are 2 different worlds.

Fantasy comes from "invisible" fonts of power, techniques....

SF is technology-based setup where source of power comes from technological inventions, man made structures.... etc, etc... characters in SF setup almost never have power over the elements.

[Kiivar86]

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

Star Wars, the series with Knights and swords, right?

In all seriousness, yeah of course there's some that are entirely one or the other. And then there's ones that's blend.

Science-fantasy has been a genre for over 80 years now, too.

[Palapop]

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

read above

[Kiivar86]

read above

So by your definition, Star Wars is fantasy then? The Force sure isn't man made.

edit: This is getting off track for this thread, but all I'll say is, if you bluntly assert that fantasy and science fiction can't co-mingle, you don't have much imagination, I feel.

[Santandame]

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

Star Wars isn’t your typical Sci Fi though, it’s more of a case of fantasy in space.

Also, LOTR and Star Wars are extremely similar when you deconstruct the narrative.

I’m digressing though, fantasy and sci fi are often blended together hence the SFF genre in literature. As @Kiivar86 has already eloquently put, the line is very blurry and not well defined. There is a place for fantasy elements in a traditional sci fi story and vice versa.