The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

To be fair they can always move the tree within the Dream to its actual location in the physical realm as they got that wiggle room with the Dream.

Now whether you want said tree in the physical realm is anyones' guess based on the events within the Dream.

So I have never really taken the whole "It has to be on the Dragon Isles, seriously" beyond obviously finding the idea preposterous for the fact that in that situation the Night Elves would essentially be exterminated from Mainland Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms storywise due to the lack of interest in splinter factions beyond "Everyone's here" unity from A Plot Cinematics.

[Cheezits]

So I have never really taken the whole "It has to be on the Dragon Isles, seriously" beyond obviously finding the idea preposterous for the fact that in that situation the Night Elves would essentially be exterminated from Mainland Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms storywise due to the lack of interest in splinter factions beyond "Everyone's here" unity from A Plot Cinematics.

The biggest reason its expected to be on the Dragon Isles is the cinematics showing it growing on the Isles (which could just reference it growing in the Dream) and, in a meta-sense, the fact that the devs were testing giant trees being placed in that area. Also that area generally being big enough to house a giant tree.

I think it could all be a misunderstanding however and the Amirdrassil on the Isles is a phased and mid-grown version, while the final one is bigger and placed elsewhere.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The biggest reason its expected to be on the Dragon Isles is the cinematics showing it growing on the Isles (which could just reference it growing in the Dream) and, in a meta-sense, the fact that the devs were testing giant trees being placed in that area. Also that area generally being big enough to house a giant tree.

I think it could all be a misunderstanding however and the Amirdrassil on the Isles is a phased and mid-grown version, while the final one is bigger and placed elsewhere.

I honestly feel like that was a nod to the audience "Hey, you're going to Emerald Dream" with the tree and the gateway atop the tree rather than anything to do with Amirdrassil itself.

I mean anything is possible in this regard, I doubt they intend to force Night Elves onto a Island unless this is somehow connected to a plan to make every part of Azeroth relevant for later with more cities across the continents or something.

[Cheezits]

I honestly feel like that was a nod to the audience "Hey, you're going to Emerald Dream" with the tree and the gateway atop the tree rather than anything to do with Amirdrassil itself.

If it is, I think they failed how that cinematic would look to the general audience. A lot of people thought tree outline = tree is coming and that's the next thing.

[Reive]

1-2 more weeks for patch 10.2!

[Catastrophy349]

Streamer privilege be like https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...718385934?s=20

[milkmustache]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but with island exploration and filling out the map being one of the popular ideas for the next expansion, I had noticed today that Big Kinook makes a reference to the "Goblins of Undermine" making "a good clam chowder" during the Feast event.

It's a one-off, and maybe part of a reference that went over my head, but I don't recall Undermine being mentioned recently until this; feels similar to the BFA dragon isles mention. Just something to add to the inevitable train graphic.

[Santandame]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but with island exploration and filling out the map being one of the popular ideas for the next expansion, I had noticed today that Big Kinook makes a reference to the "Goblins of Undermine" making "a good clam chowder" during the Feast event.

It's a one-off, and maybe part of a reference that went over my head, but I don't recall Undermine being mentioned recently until this; feels similar to the BFA dragon isles mention. Just something to add to the inevitable train graphic.

We’ve had lots of small hints like this in a few expansions.

The Suramar cloak dropping from the works boss in Tanaan Jungle during WoD as well the shipwrecked Kul Tiran and Zandalari NPC’s in Aszuna during Legion.

It could definitely be a hint of things to come. Undermine could easily be a capital city for an expansion, a zone, a raid or even an entire “continent” for an expansion.

[Cheezits]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but with island exploration and filling out the map being one of the popular ideas for the next expansion, I had noticed today that Big Kinook makes a reference to the "Goblins of Undermine" making "a good clam chowder" during the Feast event.

It's a one-off, and maybe part of a reference that went over my head, but I don't recall Undermine being mentioned recently until this; feels similar to the BFA dragon isles mention. Just something to add to the inevitable train graphic.

That's really cool, I can't remember the last time Undermine was mentioned by name (it was going to be in BFA before it was changed to Motherlode). I'd say that's a good sign of a hint.

Are there any mentions of Tel'Abim or Hiji? I don't think Plunder Isles is mentioned by name in the Nightsquall book, but the implication is there.

...actually, they specifically mention Tel'Abim in the Nightsquall book. AND the South Seas by name.

Nightsquall has raided more islands in the South Seas than any captain who ever sailed. They say he's stashed so much gold beneath the sands o' Tel'Abim that the island now rises ten feet higher than when he first landed on it!

Undermine, Tel'Abim and South Seas mentions in the same expansion is sussy. Per Chronicle, Kezan/Undermine is basically next to it.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20190606095149

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It could definitely be a hint of things to come. Undermine could easily be a capital city for an expansion, a zone, a raid or even an entire “continent” for an expansion.

Imagine if we all have to eat crow before Teriz.

[Kiria]

Imagine if we all have to eat crow before Teriz.

Speaking of, where is he? He was a chill dude to chat with

[Nymrohd]

Speaking of, where is he? He was a chill dude to chat with

Yes but when he shows up, all the people who are compelled to argue with any opinion he has also show up

[Cheezits]

Teriz is taking a well-deserved vacation in certain other threads because he rekt everyone with the correct Augmentation guesses.

[Santandame]

Teriz is fine. He’s just passionate about his theories but at least he’s open to discussion. He’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people make out.

Back on topic, I’m getting increasingly excited for the prospect of a true South Seas expansion. I’d be lying if i said I wouldn’t prefer to see both Tel’Abim and Undermine fleshed out and expanded to be the main setting of their own expansions but I’d also be buzzing to see them as zones in the South Seas.

[Cheezits]

A point against an island expansion: the cup icon for the Kul Tiras/Zandalar dragon races is called Great Sea Islands. Unless they are retconning the name to just mean that area, wouldn't South Seas islands ALSO be called Great Sea Islands, because the Great Sea encompasses all the water on Azeroth?

[milkmustache]

Undermine, Tel'Abim and South Seas mentions in the same expansion is sussy. Per Chronicle, Kezan/Undermine is basically next to it.

Pair that with our Seafarer's Pack, Forbidden Reach clues (Azshara/Naga, Nightsquall), and Avaloren hints, setting sail must be inevitable.

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that this means pirates will take the forefront, but I do agree with the "New World" voyage and exploration idea. I hope that we continue with the Dragonscale Expedition format, maybe a more permanent neutrality group. A new continent/side of the world could be a cool opportunity for the factions to build in an area without old wounds. Of course, one would assume at the expense of whatever inhabitants are already there, Odyn's heretics.

A point against an island expansion: the cup icon for the Kul Tiras/Zandalar dragon races is called Great Sea Islands. Unless they are retconning the name to just mean that area, wouldn't South Seas islands ALSO be called Great Sea Islands, because the Great Sea encompasses all the water on Azeroth?

I believe in the Great Sea is east of the Maelstrom, west of Azeroth, and the South Sea being between Kalimdor and Pandaria

[Catastrophy349]

So, I have a "slightly on topic/off topic" question I would like to speculate with everyone on: What will the campaign of 10.2 entail? Like, what will be the focus? What do y'all think we will be doing and what will it all lead up to?

[Cheezits]

I believe in the Great Sea is east of the Maelstrom, west of Azeroth, and the South Sea being between Kalimdor and Pandaria

Yeah nevermind, I think Wowpedia got it wrong. It says it includes East Kalimdor but I don't think that's right looking at the map.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20180328215952

I can't see Avaloren and Khaz Algar being down there, so I'm still gunning for South Seas + other islands (Nightsquall book specifically mentions the storms west of Kalimdor).

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So, I have a "slightly on topic/off topic" question I would like to speculate with everyone on: What will the campaign of 10.2 entail? Like, what will be the focus? What do y'all think we will be doing and what will it all lead up to?

Final protection of the Dream questline (stomping out any remaining Nightmare/Void, Druids of the Flame, and Primalists) and eventually setting up Amridrassil to bloom in Azeroth. Maybe have Elune and Freya show up to confirm some things about the Dream/Lifelands.

[Raetary]

and Freya show up

If they remember her existence that is.

[Cheezits]

If they remember her existence that is.

She just showed up in Ulderoth/Time Rifts.