The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

Why dilute Dragonriding During Dragonflight?

Keeping Dragonriding restricted to Dragon Isles Drakes for Dragonflight keeps the branding precise. In 11.0 they can scrap Dragonriding and replace it with generic Dynamic Flying

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There will be 10.3. Having a year long content drought after the 10.0 to 10.2. patch cadence would be massive failure.

Why is everyone saying it would be a year long drought?
11.0 can hit in September with 11.1 being the 20th anniversary

Heck the fated season (as much as people want to deny the reality of it) was successful as a stop gap and adds 3 months to content add that along with a 1.5 month pre-patch and a November launch for 10.2 and the .5 and .7 patches there's no year long gap.

New seasonal content? Maybe a bit long but that's where fated comes in at.

No new content for a year suggests that between major patches there's nothing new released

[Nymrohd]

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Fated season is not new content. It is just life support by reusing previous raids. It can't keep the game up for 8 months.

I mean in a world where a significant part of the playerbase is just fine with replaying the same Mythic Dungeons for two years (which is what we had for Legion, BfA and most of Shadowlands) why not? Who cares anymore, the Dungeoneers have decided they are the only demographic that matters and they are luckily for Blizzard probably the cheapest demo to satisfy.

[Makabreska]

Fated season is not new content. It is just life support by reusing previous raids. It can't keep the game up for 8 months.

It wont be 8 months. SL had 9 months between Zereth Mortis (9.2 patch) and DF release, with it's last 4 months being Fated season, so not sure what's with the notion that ending DF on 10.2 means 1y of content draught. Also, Fated season worked well enough to keep people engaged. Blizz was happy with it, and so were peeps playing with me.[/QUOTE]

What single threat? I didn't notice Fyrakk and Iridikron stole some Potara ear rings.

We started DF with 4 enemy factions: Primalists, Djaradin, Infinite Dragnoflight and Sundered Flame. Adter 10.1 only Primalists remain.

[huth]

Please read the messed again.

Dynamic flight will replace dragobriding next expansion. Same system but with name that can be use outside of Dragonflight and with other mounts.

Which is why it only comes after it is not important to keep Dragon related branding up.

It will not "replace" Dragonriding for the simple reason that it is Dragonriding.

[Darkarath]

Fat chance. Revealing expansion means revealing how 10.3 ends. As of now, we have to assume that 10.3 wont happen. Current story does not support it, with us having only single threat of the expansion left. Of course they can cook something up, but I say it is more probable they wont.

There is more than enough story for a 10.3. IMO if DF ends in 10.2 there would be quite a few threads unfinished.

BTW when Ion revealed SL he spoiled the end of 8.3. Basically he said that we were going to beat N'zoth, but not how. The same could apply to 10.3 and 11.0. They could perfectly talk about both without going into the details of the story.

[Annihilas]

I know it's a little childish and entitled of me, especially since the 10.2 announcement is at most 2 weeks away and 10.1.7 is just around the corner.

But I still can't help but feel Blizzard dropped the ball a little bit over the last couple of weeks. There always, always, always has to be something exciting on the horizon. I thought they had figured this one out by now, given how they've been handling things over the past months.

Yes, there's a new patch almost upon us. But as Blizzard knows, the patch is old news a few days after it's been announced due to datamining.

When 10.1.7 is almost here, 10.2 should be on the PTR already. And not only that, we should also have a rough idea of what's coming in 10.2.5 as well.

Story is one thing. Encrypt away, I don't mind. But features, the general theme, etc. should be known to us well in advance. That's a very potent marketing strategy, because even when the game is in a lull you're still playing from excitement of what's coming later. The 2023 Roadmap almost nailed this. It's just for this patch cycle that they kind of forgot the right way of doing it.

Yes, though it seems like we're only a week or two off from scheduling "perfection" here. Can anyone really say we've ever felt such a awesome sense of mystery in modern WoW?

[Nymrohd]

It wont be 8 months. SL had 9 months between Zereth Mortis (9.2 patch) and DF release, with it's last 4 months being Fated season, so not sure what's with the notion that ending DF on 10.2 means 1y of content draught. Also, Fated season worked well enough to keep people engaged. Blizz was happy with it, and so were peeps playing with me.

When are you assuming 10.2 would be released and 11.0 would be released? You'd expect 11.0 before the anniversary? You expect 10.2 much further than after Blizzcon?

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It will not "replace" Dragonriding for the simple reason that it is Dragonriding.

I think the argument presented that people are choosing to be obstinate about is the NAME of it would change. Because it would not be Dragonriding but rather Dynamic flight since it would affect most flying mounts if not all of them and thus no longer be tied to Dragons. But until Dragonflight is done, it will stay limited to dragons so it can keep the name because it is thematic to the expac.

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There is more than enough story for a 10.3. IMO if DF ends in 10.2 there would be quite a few threads unfinished.

BTW when Ion revealed SL he spoiled the end of 8.3. Basically he said that we were going to beat N'zoth, but not how. The same could apply to 10.3 and 11.0. They could perfectly talk about both without going into the details of the story.

There can be enough story for a 10.3 but there doesn't have to be. They absolutely can wrap things up in 10.2 or at least cast them in the future.

[huth]

I think the argument presented that people are choosing to be obstinate about is the NAME of it would change. Because it would not be Dragonriding but rather Dynamic flight since it would affect most flying mounts if not all of them and thus no longer be tied to Dragons. But until Dragonflight is done, it will stay limited to dragons so it can keep the name because it is thematic to the expac.

That sounds like an extremely superficial argument with very little practical relevance. As if the name was the important part of the system.

[nanoneo]

It will not "replace" Dragonriding for the simple reason that it is Dragonriding.

If there wouldn’t already be the Kalimdor/EK cups I would have
expected Dynamic Flight in Kalimdor/EK be much slower than in Dragon Isles - with which I would be totally OK. I don‘t want to fly West-East through Redridge Mountains in 5 seconds.

[huth]

If there wouldn’t already be the Kalimdor/EK cups I would have
expected Dynamic Flight in Kalimdor/EK be much slower than in Dragon Isles - with which I would be totally OK. I don‘t want to fly West-East through Redridge Mountains in 5 seconds.

Well, that can easily be achieved by just not flying west-east through Redridge. Though i'm not sure why you'd rather the flight takes 2-3x as long. It's not like you're going to enjoy the scenery after seeing it hundreds of times already.

[Lahis]

It wont be 8 months. SL had 9 months between Zereth Mortis (9.2 patch) and DF release, with it's last 4 months being Fated season, so not sure what's with the notion that ending DF on 10.2 means 1y of content draught. Also, Fated season worked well enough to keep people engaged. Blizz was happy with it, and so were peeps playing with me.

10.2. will release this autumn. With next expansion releasing in October-November 2024 that would leave full year gap between them and fated re-released of the raids can help only so little.

We started DF with 4 enemy factions: Primalists, Djaradin, Infinite Dragnoflight and Sundered Flame. Adter 10.1 only Primalists remain.

So you reckon we will kill both Fyrakk and Iridickron in Emerald Dream?

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I think the argument presented that people are choosing to be obstinate about is the NAME of it would change. Because it would not be Dragonriding but rather Dynamic flight since it would affect most flying mounts if not all of them and thus no longer be tied to Dragons. But until Dragonflight is done, it will stay limited to dragons so it can keep the name because it is thematic to the expac.

Nice to see some people still know how to read.

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That sounds like an extremely superficial argument with very little practical relevance. As if the name was the important part of the system.

Calling it dragonriding doesn't make sense once most of the mounts involved are not in fact dragons. That's why the complete opening up will come in 11.0 with name change once Dragon related branding is not important anymore.

[Nymrohd]

So you reckon we will kill both Fyrakk and Iridickron in Emerald Dream?

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Nice to see some people still know how to read.

We faced Iridikron in the dungeon though. I think he is likely to survive and be a boss in the next xpac. His plot with the Titans is quite complex and is likely to not be resolved in just one expac since it requires multiple story steps.

And people do know how to read. But they are also obsessed with arguing about everything.

[Darkarath]

There can be enough story for a 10.3 but there doesn't have to be. They absolutely can wrap things up in 10.2 or at least cast them in the future.

Sure, in the same way that they wrapped WoD and SL. That went fantastic, right?

We have to see how 10.2 plays out, but it is safe to say that it will be focused in the Green Dragonflight, Night Elves, the Emerald Dream, maybe some Elune and Titan lore... but I do not believe that Tyr will be heavily involved. So we still have left as possible threads:

- Red Dragonflight, which have done absolutely nothing in DF as of yet.
- Green Dragonflight's aftermath after 10.2.
- Bronze Dragonflight's unresolved plot (guess that we will not see more of them in DF, but still unresolved).
- Blue Dragonfliight's plot. We just gathered them, but they have done nothing in DF, as the Reds.
- Everything about Tyr and the Keepers.
- Vyranoth's purpose, as I doubt that Blizzard would kill her in 10.2.
- The Dracthyr's. We still do not know why Neltharion was so scared of them.
- They can even bring the Void and Iridikron for a 10.3.

Bonus points for Avaloren or The Other Side of Azeroth or the new Dwarves, but I guess that those are threads for future expansions. But all the rest? Tell me how you can deal with all that in a non-dragon themed expansion.

[micwini]

What if they do a '10.3' that is the usual new zone, etc. but without a new raid and instead a fated season?

[Nymrohd]

Sure, in the same way that they wrapped WoD and SL. That went fantastic, right?

We have to see how 10.2 plays out, but it is safe to say that it will be focused in the Green Dragonflight, Night Elves, the Emerald Dream, maybe some Elune and Titan lore... but I do not believe that Tyr will be heavily involved. So we still have left as possible threads:

- Red Dragonflight, which have done absolutely nothing in DF as of yet.
- Green Dragonflight's aftermath after 10.2.
- Bronze Dragonflight's unresolved plot (guess that we will not see more of them in DF, but still unresolved).
- Blue Dragonfliight's plot. We just gathered them, but they have done nothing in DF, as the Reds.
- Everything about Tyr and the Keepers.
- Vyranoth's purpose, as I doubt that Blizzard would kill her in 10.2.
- The Dracthyr's. We still do not know why Neltharion was so scared of them.
- They can even bring the Void and Iridikron for a 10.3.

Bonus points for Avaloren or The Other Side of Azeroth or the new Dwarves, but I guess that those are threads for future expansions. But all the rest? Tell me how you can deal with all that in a non-dragon themed expansion.

I don't know why you expect more from the Blues. That's all you can expect for their story; they are now a family again and they don't need some purpose that furthers the narrative, they were dealt with by being a world building block. Green and Red could use the same. Bronze sadly they have chosen to stay with this roster and not expand like they did with the Blues (even thought hey are among the more numerous flights). Vyranoth will be resolved vs Fyrakk and either die or be part of future expacs. Do remember that we will likely get a 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 so her plot can be resolved in either of those.
I will give you the Tyr plot. I expect it will be resolved much sooner or that it will be the plot that leads to the next xpac. It's possible Tyr awakens in 10.2.7, elevates them all back to Aspects and then leads us to the next xpac vs whatever Iridikron is planning.

And in no way am I saying I want this to happen. But I am not going to rule it out. A few months of decent patch cadence is not going to make me forget previous Blizzard decisions.

[huth]

Calling it dragonriding doesn't make sense once most of the mounts involved are not in fact dragons. That's why the complete opening up will come in 11.0 with name change once Dragon related branding is not important anymore.

Go ahead and count just how many dragons there are among the flying mounts.

Besides, lots of names are artifacts that technically don't really make sense anymore. That's an invented issue to begin with.

[Catastrophy349]

Oh, boy. Things are starting to heat up in here.

[Valysar]

Is DF a filler xpac ?

[Nymrohd]

Is DF a filler xpac ?

What is a filler expac? I mean it is not resolving any long standing stories so I guess that would make it filler.

[Reive]

Is DF a filler xpac ?

it's a "slow burn" expansion