The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Makabreska gave you a good response which you ignored (as expected)
"Ye, it ended less than 3 years ago. With an Old Gods raid. Azshara raid before that. And Horde vs Alliance raid before that. And then Old Gods once again. Pirates presence in BfA was tiny, half of a single starter zone and two dungeons."

Uh people are talking about encountering Azshara and an old god in this proposed pirate expansion too.

[Santandame]

Sci-fi has also been a mainstay of pop culture and entertainment, yet so many peeps where puking lasers during final Legion patch with all them spaceships and shit. Too much of a theme will always cause exhaustion.

Funnily enough, I loved that and would be all aboard another Legion expansion. I’d totally be up for sci-fi expansion.

[huth]

Uh people are talking about encountering Azshara and an old god in this proposed pirate expansion too.

She's bound to show up again sooner or later anyway. Might as well get that over with.

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Funnily enough, I loved that and would be all aboard another Legion expansion. I’d totally be up for sci-fi expansion.

I really don't get why people are so bent out of shape over combining fantasy and SciFi anyway. They're practically the same genre.

[Catastrophy349]

Something missing in Dragonflight, and that I would LOVE to see happen in 11.0 (regardless of what we get), is an "event" and/or "intro" to the expansion.

MoP: Enter our faction stronghold in capital, cinematic, go on ship, travel to Pandaria, cinematic, fight against opposite faction, create our base.
WoD: Tanann Jungle/Dark Portal introduction (met all of the Warlords prior to going off to our Garrison).
Legion: Broken Shore Scenario AND we teleported Dalaran to the Broken Isles AND we had to set up our Class Halls/choose an artifact before beginning the Broken Isles quests.
BFA: The Alliance had the whole intro in SW, went to KulTiras, got locked up in Tol'Dagar, escaped, then went to Boralus, set up, and started the questing. The Horde had to break out the Princess and Zul (and Sarfang who wouldn't leave) from SW, escape SW, set up base in Zandalar, then start questing.
SL: The ICC intro with Bolvar and Faction leaders, the Maw intro, setting up stuff in Oribos, THEN going off to start questing.


Then, there's Dragonflight: We got the Dracthyr/Evoker starter zone! Wait, that was available in the pre-patch, nevermind. We got the quests in SW/Orgrimmar to set up our expedition to go to the Dragon Isles! Wait, that was set up in the pre-patch, too... So, what did we get? Nothing. We got nothing. We logged in, got on the ship (Horde) or boat (Alliance) and immediately started questing on the Dragon Isles.

[Santandame]

Uh people are talking about encountering Azshara and an old god in this proposed pirate expansion too.

A criticism of BfA was that from a story perspective, it was an expansion that suffered from identity crisis. Was it a faction war expansion? Was it an Azshara one? Was it Black Empire? It was criticised for blowing through several expansions worth of content in one expansion.

For years, the South Seas expansion content and theories were the South Seas, Azshara and N’Zoth as the primary theme of the expansion. Instead, Azshara and N’Zoth were crammed into an expansion that didn’t showcase them as well as they should have been.

This could be an attempt by Blizzard to right that “wrong” and give us one of the more popular requested expansion concepts.

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She's bound to show up again sooner or later anyway. Might as well get that over with.

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I really don't get why people are so bent out of shape over combining fantasy and SciFi anyway. They're practically the same genre.

Pretty much this. Star Wars essentially being fantasy in space is the best example.

I’d be all in on Legion 2.0, or K’Aresh or a return to Draenor/Outland; especially so if it had a lot of sci fi elements.

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Something missing in Dragonflight, and that I would LOVE to see happen in 11.0 (regardless of what we get), is an "event" and/or "intro" to the expansion.

MoP: Enter our faction stronghold in capital, cinematic, go on ship, travel to Pandaria, cinematic, fight against opposite faction, create our base.
WoD: Tanann Jungle/Dark Portal introduction (met all of the Warlords prior to going off to our Garrison).
Legion: Broken Shore Scenario AND we teleported Dalaran to the Broken Isles AND we had to set up our Class Halls/choose an artifact before beginning the Broken Isles quests.
BFA: The Alliance had the whole intro in SW, went to KulTiras, got locked up in Tol'Dagar, escaped, then went to Boralus, set up, and started the questing. The Horde had to break out the Princess and Zul (and Sarfang who wouldn't leave) from SW, escape SW, set up base in Zandalar, then start questing.
SL: The ICC intro with Bolvar and Faction leaders, the Maw intro, setting up stuff in Oribos, THEN going off to start questing.


Then, there's Dragonflight: We got the Dracthyr/Evoker starter zone! Wait, that was available in the pre-patch, nevermind. We got the quests in SW/Orgrimmar to set up our expedition to go to the Dragon Isles! Wait, that was set up in the pre-patch, too... So, what did we get? Nothing. We got nothing. We logged in, got on the ship (Horde) or boat (Alliance) and immediately started questing on the Dragon Isles.

Good point. Dragonflight could have opened with an epic intro of Razsagath and the Primalists attacking our ship/air ship as well as launching an attack on the Waking Shores.

[Kiivar86]

I really don't get why people are so bent out of shape over combining fantasy and SciFi anyway. They're practically the same genre.

Same. Clarke's third law and all, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." We have flying necropoli and cities, but somehow a space-faring building (read: spaceship) is too much? This game literally started with green men from a red planet invading via a stargate.

[Sondrelk]

Something missing in Dragonflight, and that I would LOVE to see happen in 11.0 (regardless of what we get), is an "event" and/or "intro" to the expansion.

MoP: Enter our faction stronghold in capital, cinematic, go on ship, travel to Pandaria, cinematic, fight against opposite faction, create our base.
WoD: Tanann Jungle/Dark Portal introduction (met all of the Warlords prior to going off to our Garrison).
Legion: Broken Shore Scenario AND we teleported Dalaran to the Broken Isles AND we had to set up our Class Halls/choose an artifact before beginning the Broken Isles quests.
BFA: The Alliance had the whole intro in SW, went to KulTiras, got locked up in Tol'Dagar, escaped, then went to Boralus, set up, and started the questing. The Horde had to break out the Princess and Zul (and Sarfang who wouldn't leave) from SW, escape SW, set up base in Zandalar, then start questing.
SL: The ICC intro with Bolvar and Faction leaders, the Maw intro, setting up stuff in Oribos, THEN going off to start questing.


Then, there's Dragonflight: We got the Dracthyr/Evoker starter zone! Wait, that was available in the pre-patch, nevermind. We got the quests in SW/Orgrimmar to set up our expedition to go to the Dragon Isles! Wait, that was set up in the pre-patch, too... So, what did we get? Nothing. We got nothing. We logged in, got on the ship (Horde) or boat (Alliance) and immediately started questing on the Dragon Isles.

I do miss the old proper intros, but I do think what we got fit the theme much more. I suppose we could have had a encounter with primalists on the open ocean, but still.

[Teriz]

She's bound to show up again sooner or later anyway. Might as well get that over with.

Maybe, maybe not. The issue here is that on top it feeling like a BFA rehash, a fleet of pirates isn’t the massive threat that we’re accustomed to. Also a pirate fleet doesn’t really jive with the Thrall clue in the BlizzCon promo art.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Same. Clarke's third law and all, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." We have flying necropoli and cities, but somehow a space-faring building (read: spaceship) is too much? This game literally started with green men from a red planet invading via a stargate.

Sci-fi elements but they don't go full hog(Is that even a phrase?). I think people just felt all that sci-fi elements in Legion was just a bit over the top, at least at the end but more exploring demons and stuff related them, I'm down for that...eventually. Its been awhile since Legion happened.

[Catastrophy349]

The flip-side of NOT having that "event/scenario/intro" experience for Dragonflight is that it made it "easier for alts" to jump right into the new stuff (versus in prior expansions having to do all of the intro stuff (until Blizzard eventually added a skip for it)). However, I just feel like Dragonflight missed out on that because it could have been really cool.

[Palapop]

Can't believe Gul'dan is still alive

erm mate, we talked about N'zoth. Not Gul'Dan.

[Santandame]

Maybe, maybe not. The issue here is that on top it feeling like a BFA rehash, a fleet of pirates isn’t the massive threat that we’re accustomed to. Also a pirate fleet doesn’t really jive with the Thrall clue in the BlizzCon promo art.

The pirates could also be our allies. We could join the pirates.

Regardless a pirate armada backed up by void entities would easily be on par with the Primalists.

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...579844819?s=20 Another build! This is number 3 or 4. Next week is certainly looking like the week (as predicted)!

[Teriz]

The pirates could also be our allies. We could join the pirates.

Regardless a pirate armada backed up by void entities would easily be on par with the Primalists.

Uh, allied pirates is literally the Kul’Tirans in BFA. Again, we’ve done this before, and not very long ago.

[Catastrophy349]

I should never doubt Towelliee again...

I never doubt him, but I rather not go into that on this forum (it doesn't end well).

[Kiivar86]

Sci-fi elements but they don't go full hog(Is that even a phrase?). I think people just felt all that sci-fi elements in Legion was just a bit over the top, at least at the end but more exploring demons and stuff related them, I'm down for that...eventually. Its been awhile since Legion happened.

That's fair I suppose but I don't see much an issue even still.

Golems - Robots. Portals - Stargates. Lightsabers - ...well, Lightsabers, I guess. And so on.

Maybe its just some like me who can just look at the tech stuff we saw and just accept it fitting in with zero issue. I dunno.

[Palapop]

Same. Clarke's third law and all, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." We have flying necropoli and cities, but somehow a space-faring building (read: spaceship) is too much? This game literally started with green men from a red planet invading via a stargate.

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

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I really don't get why people are so bent out of shape over combining fantasy and SciFi anyway. They're practically the same genre.

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

[huth]

Uh, allied pirates is literally the Kul’Tirans in BFA. Again, we’ve done this before, and not very long ago.

Seems like it was long enough ago that you completely forgot what actually happened. At the most, we had one singular allied pirate, and that's questionable as he doesn't do any actual pirating.

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you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

There are next to none. It's mostly a question of whether you ascribe the discrepancies to the real world to "magic" or "more advanced science", and it's perfectly possible for the answer to that to be "both".

[Teriz]

Seems like it was long enough ago that you completely forgot what actually happened. At the most, we had one singular allied pirate, and that's questionable as he doesn't do any actual pirating.

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

[Santandame]

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

Oh come on.