The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

The entire nation of Kul’Tiras was pirates and seafarers, that’s the point. A pirate expansion’s landmass would be like Kul’Tiras.

Aside from the entire population of Drustvar and most of Stormsong, who were mostly peasants. And a sizeable portion of Tiragarde, who were monter hunters, smiths, aristocrats and other non-seafaring folk.

[Teriz]

Aside from the entire population of Drustvar and most of Stormsong, who were mostly peasants. And a sizeable portion of Tiragarde, who were monter hunters, smiths, aristocrats and other non-seafaring folk.

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users? Did you miss pretty much every Kultiran you encountered talking about their people’s connection to the sea?

[huth]

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users?

And you missed the part where about 2/3 of Kul Tirans are not seafarers of any kind and your silly nitpick is largely irrelevant to the larger picture.

[Cheezits]

Now that Teriz got Augnentation Evoker right, the next expansion will have to be Buccaneers of the Bloodsail to make up for it.

[Santandame]

You missed the multiple shipyards throughout Stormsong that were full of pirates sea-based magic users?

There was one pirate settlement in Stormsong, not multiple. It wasn’t a shipyard either, it was a very small town next to a dried out lake - Deadwash. It was a very minor quest hub.

The rest of Stormsong was:

- The Kul Tiran’s navy shipyards
- N’Zoth cultists
- The main village Brennadan which revolved around faction conflict
- Hamlets with slice of life style questing
- Farms that dealt with the Quilboar
- Tortollan
- A Kul Tiran military base dealing with a Naga invasion
- Bees

The pirates at Deadwash were pretty much insignificant.

[Kiivar86]

you really fail to see the difference between SF and fantasy?

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

[Makabreska]

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

[Palapop]

There are next to none. It's mostly a question of whether you ascribe the discrepancies to the real world to "magic" or "more advanced science", and it's perfectly possible for the answer to that to be "both".

Theres HUGE difference. HUUUUGE.

In both, outcome is impossible.

But the way how everything functions and the themes between SF and fantasy are 2 different worlds.

Fantasy comes from "invisible" fonts of power, techniques....

SF is technology-based setup where source of power comes from technological inventions, man made structures.... etc, etc... characters in SF setup almost never have power over the elements.

[Kiivar86]

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

Star Wars, the series with Knights and swords, right?

In all seriousness, yeah of course there's some that are entirely one or the other. And then there's ones that's blend.

Science-fantasy has been a genre for over 80 years now, too.

[Palapop]

I recognize the line is incredibly blurry and not as well defined as many would try to portray it to be.

read above

[Kiivar86]

read above

So by your definition, Star Wars is fantasy then? The Force sure isn't man made.

edit: This is getting off track for this thread, but all I'll say is, if you bluntly assert that fantasy and science fiction can't co-mingle, you don't have much imagination, I feel.

[Santandame]

Dunno, I can still easily tell genre difference between Star Wars and LotR.

Star Wars isn’t your typical Sci Fi though, it’s more of a case of fantasy in space.

Also, LOTR and Star Wars are extremely similar when you deconstruct the narrative.

I’m digressing though, fantasy and sci fi are often blended together hence the SFF genre in literature. As @Kiivar86 has already eloquently put, the line is very blurry and not well defined. There is a place for fantasy elements in a traditional sci fi story and vice versa.

[Makabreska]

SF is technology-based setup where source of power comes from technological inventions, man made structures.... etc, etc... characters in SF setup almost never have power over the elements.

Still, plenty of magic and magic adjacent stuff in Sci-Fic. Force in SW, biotics in Mass Effect, etc.

[Santandame]

Theres HUGE difference. HUUUUGE.

In both, outcome is impossible.

But the way how everything functions and the themes between SF and fantasy are 2 different worlds.

Fantasy comes from "invisible" fonts of power, techniques....

SF is technology-based setup where source of power comes from technological inventions, man made structures.... etc, etc... characters in SF setup almost never have power over the elements.

Have you ever seen Q in Star Trek?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So....about that uhhh expansion about outland.... /topicchange

[Kiivar86]

I'm not super into the idea of pirates and the like (unless it ends up in Avaloren, which I am still hopeful it won't disappoint me), but one thing that did get me a bit hyped about pirates/seafaring stuff is maybe a hub city that's like a floating city in the ocean (or hell, a giant boat, I dunno).

Kezan/Undermine doesn't interest me in the slightest, so I'll hold onto that hope.

[huth]

Theres HUGE difference. HUUUUGE.

In both, outcome is impossible.

But the way how everything functions and the themes between SF and fantasy are 2 different worlds.

Fantasy comes from "invisible" fonts of power, techniques....

SF is technology-based setup where source of power comes from technological inventions, man made structures.... etc, etc... characters in SF setup almost never have power over the elements.

Sorry, but that's a difference of degrees, not anything major. For that matter, when was the last time you actually say nuclear fission? And do you think a mage tower is not a man made?

Still, plenty of magic and magic adjacent stuff in Sci-Fic. Force in SW, biotics in Mass Effect, etc.

Star Wars is more Fantasy with SciFi elements. The story focus is on the sword fighting wizards, not on the futuristic tech. Mass Effect is far more firmly rooted in SciFi, with the biotics still having a pretty scientific explanation and Element Zero being the main break from reality. The Force is just blatantly magic.

In the same way, WoW is strongly leaning towards Fantasy even in Legion. People got this weird idea in their head that "starships = SciFi", but nothing we saw was even remotely scientific. It was all blatantly running on magic. I mean, those spaceships were basically large hollow rocks, without magic they wouldn't have gone anywhere nor been able to keep their crew alive.

The most SciFi thing in WoW is still the gnomes.

Though i doubt they're going to play a major role any time soon as things currently stand.

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I'm not super into the idea of pirates and the like (unless it ends up in Avaloren, which I am still hopeful it won't disappoint me), but one thing that did get me a bit hyped about pirates/seafaring stuff is maybe a hub city that's like a floating city in the ocean (or hell, a giant boat, I dunno).

Kezan/Undermine doesn't interest me in the slightest, so I'll hold onto that hope.

I'd accept it as a hub location for a more general Azeroth Underdark focused expansion, but not as the sole focus of one.

[Catastrophy349]

If 11.0 is anything related to Titan/Void, I am sold immediately (doesn't even matter what everything else is).

[Well Done Steak]

I want every body to remember the velf and LFD time walkers talking in Valdrakken about the nature of time in relation to the light and void.

I believe that's the biggest on the nose hint for 11.0.

Feels random placing those two npcs almost hidden in Val having an RP discussion about the light and void.

[Kiivar86]

I'd accept it as a hub location for a more general Azeroth Underdark focused expansion, but not as the sole focus of one.

I'd take that, though I'm just leery of hanging around anything overly gnome/goblin themed (sorry fans of either, just not my aesthetic). But I'll take whatever we get, I suppose. I endured that stupid pandaren vault for MoP after all.

I want every body to remember the velf and LFD time walkers talking in Valdrakken about the nature of time in relation to the light and void.

I believe that's the biggest on the nose hint for 11.0.

Feels random placing those two npcs almost hidden in Val having an RP discussion about the light and void.

Its possible but speaking above of the pandaren vaults, I remember there being that worgen who talked, at least once, of the ethereals being untrustworthy and that's gone nowhere so far.