The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Pretty crazy that we're little over two months out from an expansion reveal.

And only seven and a half weeks from an actual leak.

[Cheezits]

And only seven and a half weeks from an actual leak.

I have a feeling that whatever is on the box is actually pretty generic/revampy and it will cause some confusion if it leaks.

[Lolites]

You have to use general seafarers because pirates are not a broad enough thematic to base an expansion on. Heck, Blizzard couldn't even base an expansion on general seafarers like the kul'tirans, which is why they had to stuff Mechagon and Zandalar into the expansion as well.

they build whole expansion around joke character from w3... they DEFINITELY can build pirate expansion if they want
theres literally NOTHING suggesting they originaly wanted BFA to be "pirate expansion"...

[Sondrelk]

Pretty crazy that we're little over two months out from an expansion reveal.

The fact that this is Blizzards one chance at the biggest hype reveal in years should make it interesting.
DF is pretty good and well received. There is nothing specific binding us to any definite future expansion so far like there was with Dragons or Shadowlands.
And of course, this is the 20th anniversary. If there is a Blizzcon to be excited for, it's this one.

[huth]

Yes we do, wot? And it's clearly not relevant if it's something that seemingly wants to claim our design.

Which would make it part of the cosmology.

[Sondrelk]

they build whole expansion around joke character from w3... they DEFINITELY can build pirate expansion if they want
theres literally NOTHING suggesting they originaly wanted BFA to be "pirate expansion"...

They didn't create an entire expansion around Chen. They extrapolated somewhere he would logically have come from, and then made an expansion around that.

We wouldn't get an expansion based around Pirates just because Nightsquall is important. We would be getting an expansion extrapolated from whatever place he found that made him rich.
Pirates would be the thing that kick-starts the exploration at most, and possibly not even that. Pirates could just be a generic force like the Djaradin are in DF. Someone to give us a baseline sense of urgency in whatever new place we find. Quickly relegated to side characters next to the real threat.

[Catastrophy349]

The fact that this is Blizzards one chance at the biggest hype reveal in years should make it interesting.
DF is pretty good and well received. There is nothing specific binding us to any definite future expansion so far like there was with Dragons or Shadowlands.
And of course, this is the 20th anniversary. If there is a Blizzcon to be excited for, it's this one.

I don't want to become a "conspiracy theorist" or go off on a tangent, but to further your point(s):

1). 20th Anniversary (World of Warcraft)
2). 30th Anniversary (Warcraft)
3). FIRST Blizzcon (in-person) since 2019 (Shadowlands reveal)
4). 10th expansion (10.0 may have been the first double digit expansion, but 11.0 is the 10th expansion)
5). Dragonflight set up A LOT for 11.0 to be successful (UI revamp, Profession revamp, Talent revamp, Flying revamp, Graphical revamp, Reputation revamp with Renown (kind of since, you know, SL had it first), tons of new stories being set, etc.)

[huth]

They didn't create an entire expansion around Chen. They extrapolated somewhere he would logically have come from, and then made an expansion around that.

We wouldn't get an expansion based around Pirates just because Nightsquall is important. We would be getting an expansion extrapolated from whatever place he found that made him rich.
Pirates would be the thing that kick-starts the exploration at most, and possibly not even that. Pirates could just be a generic force like the Djaradin are in DF. Someone to give us a baseline sense of urgency in whatever new place we find. Quickly relegated to side characters next to the real threat.

That's missing what the discussion is about and is really just what you want them to do, not whether they could.

[Palapop]

We don't actually kill Gul'dan either, he dies durign a cutscene. The HP number literally means nothing.

Liyerally means a lot.
Illidan, Garrosh, Sylvanas would like to have a word about it.

[huth]

Our Cosmology is the Cosmic Chart. The 7th power doesn't apply to it.

No, the cosmology is everything. The chart was merely the then-current state of things and was explicitly from the view of a limited narrator.

[Raetary]

I've been saying this since end of BFA- N'zoth is still alive. Fight ends on 2.5% or 0.5% (or was it 1%?) on Mythic.

That b!tch is still alive.

Did you miss the part where we obliterate him with a dragonball blast?

HP numbers mean nothing, they are completely arbitrary.
Especially in the case of N'zoth, Sylvanas and similar where the encounter is overtaken and ended by the narrative.

It doesn't matter whether the encounter ends at 1%, or 43.59%, the outcome is the exact same.

[Catastrophy349]

Who is ready to get on to that 10.2 PTR and rip open that Adventure Journal to see the new raid?

[Worldshaper]

Who is ready to get on to that 10.2 PTR and rip open that Adventure Journal to see the new raid?

I'm ready to dig into all the datamining, and then finally to let the speculation game rest for a few weeks before we're closing in on BlizzCon.

[Nightshade711]

You honestly believe that Nightsquall is some massive threat being set up throughout Dragonflight and earlier? If he appears at all, it's probably going to be some mini-dungeon boss. Also you believing that Nightsquall has more ability to move units and interest than Yrel is laughable. Yrel is a pretty major WC character while we don't even know what Nightsquall looks like.

Azshara/Xalatath/Void, and even Ethereals to an extent is what they’ve been setting up. Again, it’d be terrible writing to just avoid all of that just for the sake of subverting expectations/flipping the script.
Nightsquall & pirates will likely be a first raid type of thing, or the backdrop behind it all. Maybe

Yrel isn’t a “pretty major WC character”… if somebody hasn’t played WoD they won’t know who she is.
Which is why she isn’t going to happen at all.
She was only brought back for 30 seconds because blizzard wanted to bring in brown orcs

[Catastrophy349]

Azshara/Xalatath/Void, and even Ethereals to an extent is what they’ve been setting up. Again, it’d be terrible writing to just avoid all of that just for the sake of subverting expectations/flipping the script.
Nightsquall & pirates will likely be a first raid type of thing, or the backdrop behind it all.

Yrel isn’t a “pretty major WC character”… if somebody hasn’t played WoD they won’t know who she is.

My "prediction" is for Nightsquall and the "pirates" to be our "avenue" for getting to whatever island(s) and/or continent 11.0 will be, however, the story will be focused on the Void.

[Nightshade711]

My "prediction" is for Nightsquall and the "pirates" to be our "avenue" for getting to whatever island(s) and/or continent 11.0 will be, however, the story will be focused on the Void.

I could see that.
Nightsquall was said to be the only one who was able to return from the other side of the world.

[Catastrophy349]

I could see that.
Nightsquall was said to be the only one who was able to return from the other side of the world.

Exactly. I can see him being our "guide".

[Sondrelk]

Who is ready to get on to that 10.2 PTR and rip open that Adventure Journal to see the new raid?

I'm so excited for new transmog. 10.1 had possibly some of the best class sets the game has ever had during its lifetime, and I can't wait to see what comes next.

[Reive]

hope for blozzard the next expansion isn't about pirates because people are pretty against it. many want a world revamp but it's never going to happen

[Teriz]

If your point is now "Blizzard will create an expansion based on any motif they feel like" I would consider that a concession, because that definitely wasn't your point when you started.

No, the point is that Blizzard wouldn't build an entire expansion around something like "ship to ship battles".

So exactly less than one half of that expansion? It's been 2 whole expansions; they can revisit those motifs.Alleria has a compulsion to go near the sunwell, which releases horrible shadow monsters when she does.

Which really isn't a lot of time, and it's not like people were clamoring for more pirate and seafaring at the close of BFA. They were rather tired of it. I'm not seeing your point in regards to Alleria.

Yrel isn't just on another planet, she's in another timeline, which by what Chromie describes, the Bronze's entire job is to tie off those timelines so they stop existing entirely. Right after we rescued those Mag'har surely, a bronze dragon assassinated Garrosh the moment he entered the timestream, eliminating the entire AU timeline. We're not even sure Yrel still exists at this moment. So I think Alleria is a bit more relevant.

Uh, in the patch we're currently in we're dealing with Bronze and Infinite drakes screwing with the timeline. Who is to say that at the end of this expansion, a Bronze or Infinite drake decides to open a portal and let Yrel and the Lightbound in for whatever reason? Heck, Morchie could do it just to be a prick.