The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

It is quite literally the biggest thing.

But why though?? The army of light wasn't fighting the void and the old gods because they were being led to wipe out essentially the forces of disorder
The naaru are the only real light reps we have and they hate the void and everything they deem unworthy

The void reps are 100% take over everything because that's their nature but to say light vs void is a huge cosmic situation is kinda stretching based on what we know.

The light is essentially a full blown hivemind which is the opposite of the void which is everything is free will with one goal.

Sargeras was supposedly the light's champion and we know what happened there and with Illidan

[Teriz]

Azshara/Xalatath/Void, and even Ethereals to an extent is what they’ve been setting up. Again, it’d be terrible writing to just avoid all of that just for the sake of subverting expectations/flipping the script.
Nightsquall & pirates will likely be a first raid type of thing, or the backdrop behind it all.

You believe they've been setting it up. You believing that doesn't mean that they're actually setting it up. Also going from Pirates to Azshara to Ethereals is rather extreme.

Yrel isn’t a “pretty major WC character”… if somebody hasn’t played WoD they won’t know who she is.
Which is why she isn’t going to happen at all.
She was only brought back for 30 seconds because blizzard wanted to bring in brown orcs

If they got Mag'har Orcs they know who she is. If they played Paladin in Hearthstone they know who she is. If they played HotS they know who she is. She's popped up multiple times since WoD.

[huth]

If they got Mag'har Orcs they know who she is. If they played Paladin in Hearthstone they know who she is. If they played HotS they know who she is. She's popped up multiple times since WoD.

They have heard of her and have an image of what she looks like. They still have no clue who she is.

[Teriz]

But it doesn’t support your point. You literally said that Blizzard had to include Drust, witches, N’Zoth, Zandalar and Mechagon alongside Kul Tiras so it wouldn’t be boring. Which is literally the norm for every single expansion, just like your Northrend example there.

It does support my point, because if you look at BFA its thematic was all over the place. It began with the Alliance taking Lorderan, and it ended with Wrathion DBZing N'Zoth. Meanwhile, WotLK opened with Arthas and it ended with Arthas. The Lich King was the first thing we saw and last enemy we fought. BFA on the other hand had Sylvanas burning down Tredassil, us befriending a killer titan robot, the discovery of a new Gnomish civilization, running into Wrathion, and then getting mind screwed by N'Zoth. Somewhere in that pile was Kul'Tiras and Nazjatar, two concepts that most people believed could be expansions unto themselves. However they wouldn't be because there's not enough meat on the bone.

You can’t just so fragrantly cherry pick to suit you. I think the only person here getting confused is you. Or you’re just being purposefully difficult.

I'll just say it simply; If Blizzard couldn't make the pirate theme work in BFA where we had long established lore (Kul'tiras, Nazjatar, N'Zoth) that would support such a theme, the idea that Blizzard is going to create an entire pirate expansion without long-established lore is laughable.

[Palapop]

Did you miss the part where we obliterate him with a dragonball blast?

HP numbers mean nothing, they are completely arbitrary.
Especially in the case of N'zoth, Sylvanas and similar where the encounter is overtaken and ended by the narrative.

It doesn't matter whether the encounter ends at 1%, or 43.59%, the outcome is the exact same.

Illidan? Garrosh?
Vanessa VanCleef?
KJ?
Archimonde?
Ragnaros?
Jaina?
Azshara?
Denathrius?

Your logic is illogical. So yeah... N'zoth is still alive and you will see him within 1-2 expansions at most.

[Teriz]

They have heard of her and have an image of what she looks like. They still have no clue who she is.

You're saying that people don't look at art of certain characters and google who they are? It's 2023 you know.

[Skildar]

the pirate theme in BfA was drunk looney pirates and island "exploration". They put a lot of effort in the expansion but they didn't put all their eggs in one basket. It makes sense but it's regrettable that they have put them in so many baskets though :/

Most regrettable thing they did this expansion was to make Sylvanas a major character without showing her enough while having her do deals and plans with other major characters. You loose interest pretty fast in what's happening

[Nightshade711]

You believe they've been setting it up. You believing that doesn't mean that they're actually setting it up. Also going from Pirates to Azshara to Ethereals is rather extreme.

So several prophecies foretelling Azshara’s return, Xalatath popping back up & messing around, and everything else void related in DF so far isn’t setting it up?
It’s far more setup than a Yrel light invasion got.

Given how BfA was going from the blood of a Titan to a faction war to trolls & witches to old gods… it isn’t that extreme.

It’s quite easy. Nightsquall gets us to the other side of the world where we deal with Azshara, Xal’atath, and the void Ethereals as the main threat.

Throw in pirates and other things for the small regional threats and you’ve got an expansion.

[Teriz]

So several prophecies foretelling Azshara’s return, Xalatath popping back up & messing around, and everything else void related in DF so far isn’t setting it up?

So from seafaring to Azshara to an Old God....

Sounds like BFA all over again.

It’s far more setup than a Yrel light invasion got.

As I said, we're coming up on the 10th anniversary of WoD, and WoD was a very orc centric expansion. We even have Thrall being on the BlizzCon 23 promo art, and Thrall would play a huge part in a Lightbound invasion. Why? because Yrel would no doubt be coming for the Mag'har Orcs that escaped her in BFA and the Orcs that helped them. We could even encounter AU Grom again and maybe even an AU version of Garrosh.

Thrall doesn't work for a Pirate invasion.

It’s quite easy. Nightsquall gets us to the other side of the world where we deal with Azshara, Xal’atath, and the void Ethereals as the main threat.

Throw in pirates and other things for the small regional threats and you’ve got an expansion.

Sounds more like we got a huge mess, just like BFA. What? Is Xal'atath pulling Azshara's strings now instead of N'Zoth?

Just fyi, Void gets hinted at in EVERY expansion.

[Raetary]

Illidan? Garrosh?
Vanessa VanCleef?
KJ?
Archimonde?
Ragnaros?
Jaina?
Azshara?
Denathrius?

Your logic is illogical. So yeah... N'zoth is still alive and you will see him within 1-2 expansions at most.

Thanks for that completely random list of names.
I fail to see how that changes my point that hp numbers are completely arbitrary.

Here i'll add some more:

Betty
Haris Pilton
Thrall
Jennifer O'Neal
Anduin
Sunflower

And i'm sure N'zoth is gonna show up again at some point, but i'd say it would happen because of an actual lore reason and not because of a random number positioned somewhere on your screen.

[Nightshade711]

So from seafaring to Azshara to an Old God....

Sounds like BFA all over again.

Like saying WoD was BC all over again. Or DF was cataclysm all over again. Or BfA was MoP all over again.

Besides, BfA was a faction war expansion, not a pirate expansion. We aren’t having another faction war expansion anytime soon according to blizzard.

Thrall doesn't work for a Pirate invasion.

Thrall doesn’t work for a “entering the realms of death/afterlife” expansion yet he was there.

Sounds more like we got a huge mess, just like BFA. What? Is Xal'atath pulling Azshara's strings now instead of N'Zoth?

That’s a question for blizzard. They’re the ones bringing them both back soon.

[Teriz]

Like saying WoD was BC all over again. Or DF was cataclysm all over again. Or BfA was MoP all over again.

Except BFA was literally Pirates, Azshara, and void.

Thrall doesn’t work for a “entering the realms of death/afterlife” expansion yet he was there.

He was present, he wasn't the main component though. Again, BlizzCon promo art tends to depict a main actor of an expansion. For example, pre-Shadowlands BlizzCon promo showed Sylvanas.

[Raetary]

So from seafaring to Azshara to an Old God....

???????

Those things are all thematically linked.

[Nightshade711]

Except BFA was literally Pirates, Azshara, and void.

Weird, I don’t see Pirates, Azshara, or Void on the main art for BfA.

[Foolicious]

Weird, I don’t see Pirates, Azshara, or Void on the main art for BfA.

Bfa could have marketed way better with anyone of them. Making it all about the faction war was a stupid decision to appeal to the classic crowd. And it didn't even work.

[Teriz]

???????

Those things are all thematically linked.

And they all happened in BFA.

[Marlamin]

Weird, I don’t see Pirates, Azshara, or Void on the main art for BfA.

Checkmate.

[Nightshade711]

Checkmate.

Oh damn you got me

[Teriz]

Weird, I don’t see Pirates, Azshara, or Void on the main art for BfA.

Yeah, because it was a thematic mess. However, Kul’Tiras was still a big part of it, and it was loaded with pirate junk.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I dunno who said it but a expansion where both Alliance and Horde are doing something(And not having innter conflict/ fighting each other) sounds like a good idea to me.