The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

The alliance characters all have the opportunity to name a ship and we even gather the crew

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Gallywix is also still a thing somewhere....

I'm gonna guess we do get ship wrecked

[Darkarath]

People are really getting crazy with their false 11.0 theories. So many posts about what the next expansion is going to be about, and we are not in October yet...

Hopefully 10.1.7 quests and the reveal of 10.2 this week will help us to narrow 11.0 a little bit. But as some people say, if the Night Elves and Forsaken Heritage Quests deal about stuff of the Old World while leaving some threads unfinished, chances of a world revamp would increase IMO.

DF could easily end with a cataclysmic event... We shall see.

[Nightshade711]

I don't agree that the most obvious antagonist force right now is a "harbinger" that we don't even know the name of with us fighting an ambiguous void threat.

There hasn’t really been a history of knowing the “obvious antagonist threat” the expansion before.
In BfA we didn’t know who the jailer was. In MoP we didn’t know what the Iron Horde was. The list goes on for almost every xpac except Legion imo.

Besides, we already know the harbinger is most likely Xalatath because we literally see her in the void portal at the end of Dawn of the Infinite.

I would argue that the most obvious antagonistic force is Yrel, because we actually know who she is and what level of threat she poses.

Yrel, who is on another planet from a closed off, and most likely deleted timeline. Don’t see how that’s “an obvious antagonist force”

In addition, a Yrel expansion would also introduce playable Arakkoa and Ogres, two highly demanded playable races.

Ogres aren’t going to happen. At most we’re getting Rexxar’s race.
Arakkoa I’m iffy about. We don’t need yet another winged race.

Especially if it’s a void related expansion as is being hinted, I see Ethereals becoming playable. They’re unique enough, and their story is tied directly with the void with The Protectorate & Shadowguard being on both sides of the conflict.
Not to mention blizzard outright saying we’ll be seeing more of the Ethereals, and all the ethereal related hints. (And the curious coin short thing in the adventure guide)

Naga would be cool too, blizzard has been wanting them playable since Vanilla. Thanks to Dracthyr and Mechagnomes, Naga transmog is a nonissue to blizzard. Once they make them able to mount up they’ll be set.

It fits the hints we received from BFA and Shadowlands, it fits Thrall being on the promo art, it fits Metzen's return, and it aligns with the 10th anniversary of WoD and the 20th anniversary of WoW.

Maybe Thrall being on the promo art has nothing to do with the next expansion as a character and has more to do with Metzen’s return?

[huth]

Uh, we were in Kul'tiras because of Jaina, and alliance players quest in Kul'tiras because of Jaina.

No on both accounts. We were in Kul Tiras because the Alliance needed a better fleet. Jaina was sent along because she's the last living relative of the then-current leader of Kul Tiras, though that quickly turned out to not be the best of ideas. We quest there because we can't get the fleet without fixing the country first.

Jaina doesn't actually play a significant role until the very end of that story.

[Teriz]

But you're assuming it's an intentional hint rather than just tying the media in with the release. It could be for Cataclysm classic, it could be because of Metzens return and Thrall is his most iconic character, it could be that Thrall will play an integral part in the next xpac.

I wasn't suggesting people here think they control blizzard, that's an odd read. I was suggesting people here think everything is some form of intentional hint rather than just common sense marketing. Are we also suggesting that Lilith and Winston are going to be very important characters in D4/OW2 in the next year too or do you think the WoW team single headedly controls Blizzcon banners?

While I think it is possible, maybe even likely, that Thrall will be a prominent character in the next expansion and that will have influenced their decisions for the banner; it's also very possible that the xpac theme and location does not feature any as yet known major characters outside of the generic few talking heads that would never be on the blizzcon art in the first place.

My point was more so that not everything is an intentional breadcrumb.

The difference here is that this has occurred in the last 3 eligible expansions with the exception of DF due to COVID cancelling BlizzCon and throwing its typical announcement schedule off. In the case of Legion, BFA and Shadowlands, the key art showcased a main character and generally the theme of that expansion as related to that character. There's no reason to believe that this isn't happening again with Thrall for 11.0.

Also we know it isn't Cataclysm classic, because Thrall looked like this in Cataclysm;



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There hasn’t really been a history of knowing the “obvious antagonist threat” the expansion before.
In BfA we didn’t know who the jailer was. In MoP we didn’t know what the Iron Horde was. The list goes on for almost every xpac except Legion imo.

And Yrel's Lightbound army is analogous with the Burning Legion, just light vs fel.

Besides, we already know the harbinger is most likely Xalatath because we literally see her in the void portal at the end of Dawn of the Infinite.

Which sounds like a plot line that is going to be wrapped up in Dragonflight.

Yrel, who is on another planet from a closed off, and most likely deleted timeline. Don’t see how that’s “an obvious antagonist force”

Alternate timelines and realities is something we've been dealing with in this current patch. Interestingly by the same group who introduced the AU Draenor timeline in the first place.

Ogres aren’t going to happen. At most we’re getting Rexxar’s race.
Arakkoa I’m iffy about. We don’t need yet another winged race.

I would say they're better options than Hozen and Jinyu.

Especially if it’s a void related expansion as is being hinted, I see Ethereals becoming playable. They’re unique enough, and their story is tied directly with the void with The Protectorate & Shadowguard being on both sides of the conflict.
Not to mention blizzard outright saying we’ll be seeing more of the Ethereals, and all the ethereal related hints. (And the curious coin short thing in the adventure guide)

Yeah, I don't see another neutral race dropping right after Dracthyr.

Maybe Thrall being on the promo art has nothing to do with the next expansion as a character and has more to do with Metzen’s return?

Doubtful, given the rather constant history of BlizzCon promo art.

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No on both accounts. We were in Kul Tiras because the Alliance needed a better fleet. Jaina was sent along because she's the last living relative of the then-current leader of Kul Tiras, though that quickly turned out to not be the best of ideas. We quest there because we can't get the fleet without fixing the country first.

Jaina doesn't actually play a significant role until the very end of that story.

Splitting hairs 101 folks...

[huth]

Splitting hairs 101 folks...

Not my fault you've got sequoias growing on your noggin.

[Catastrophy349]

Jeez, there are SO many "leaks" on this forum, now. Went from a few a week to like 10 different ones today alone!

[Raetary]

Jeez, there are SO many "leaks" on this forum, now. Went from a few a week to like 10 different ones today alone!

And all of them are really uninteresting too.

Quite a shame, i usually look forward to reading them just for the funsies.
But this year it's just been a stream of mass produced disappointment.

[Catastrophy349]

Just wait until mid-end of October. Then, we shall see what is being cooked up!

[Makabreska]

And all of them are really uninteresting too.

Quite a shame, i usually look forward to reading them just for the funsies.
But this year it's just been a stream of mass produced disappointment.

It's called ChatGPT emergence. We are gonna get absolutely flooded by these in next 2 months.

[Sondrelk]

And all of them are really uninteresting too.

Quite a shame, i usually look forward to reading them just for the funsies.
But this year it's just been a stream of mass produced disappointment.

It's hard to make good quality leaks when you don't know what is most likely. And until we get 10.2 it will be difficult to suss out how the expansion will end, and therefore what is most likely.

[Catastrophy349]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

[Alanar]

It's called ChatGPT emergence. We are gonna get absolutely flooded by these in next 2 months.

But, but they are so easy to call out.. its not even fun.

Its already happening.

[Holdodlig]

I just remembered that anything life-related in Zereth Mortis was in drakonid language. I can easily see a twist where dragons were supposed to be agents of Life (as a cosmic force) and titans just made them their slaves. I wouldn't be surprised if the Emerald Dream was also corrupted by titans before it was even touched by the void or the legion.

[Sondrelk]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

I am going to say a nice and round 10 bosses. Just to make it slightly larger than Aberrus at 9, which was in turn only slightly larger than Vault at 8.

For the actual bosses I will say Decatriarch Wratheye. Another corrupted Dragon. Some kind of Druid of the Flame. A basic Fire Elemental. And probably at least one boss alluding to the Nightmare. Final boss will probably be Fyrakk, but I imagine more of an event rather than just fighting him as he is. Probably having him swap between Dragon form and Humanoid form.

[Cheezits]

I just remembered that anything life-related in Zereth Mortis was in drakonid language. I can easily see a twist where dragons were supposed to be agents of Life (as a cosmic force) and titans just made them their slaves. I wouldn't be surprised if the Emerald Dream was also corrupted by titans before it was even touched by the void or the legion.

I think this has been in the cards ever since Kalec was empowered to Aspect through the moon, implying Elune had a hand.

Protodrakes come from the Elements, so dragons have their origins there. I THINK there's a decent chance that elements may naturally come from a chunk of the Lifeland.

Also Fae dragons.

[Luck4]

And all of them are really uninteresting too.

Quite a shame, i usually look forward to reading them just for the funsies.
But this year it's just been a stream of mass produced disappointment.

I feel the same, pretty much like in 2019 when nearly every leak was about Shadowlands as we got closer to Blizzcon now every leak is about Avaloren.

There's also nothing new gameplay-wise, no changes to the current structure, nor a new addition.

I think I'll be disappointed again as I did at the last Blizzcon when Shadowlands was announced.

[Darkarath]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

I am going with 10 bosses.

Vault of the Incarnates has 8.

Aberrus has 9.

10.2 raid having 10 seems the right move. As for the bosses... Very difficult to say, but I have some ideas:

1- Fyrakk visage form.
2- Fyrakk dragon form.
3- Dragon corrupted by Shadowflame (probably a Black one, maybe Sabellian or some of his companions from Outland).
4- Void representative.
5- Druid of the Flame representative.
6- Tree, Dryad, or something from the Emerald Dream, but corrupted, probably Emerald Nightmare related.
7- Elemental, maybe even Smolderon, depending on what 10.1.7 and 10.2 questing lead us to.
8- Primalist representative.
9- Djaradin representative.
10- Crazy Keeper from The Emerald Dream.

[Cheezits]

I think I'll be disappointed again as I did at the last Blizzcon when Shadowlands was announced.

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

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1- Fyrakk visage form.
2- Fyrakk dragon form.
3- Dragon corrupted by Shadowflame (probably a Black one, maybe Sabellian or some of his companions from Outland).
4- Void representative.
5- Druid of the Flame representative.
6- Tree, Dryad, or something from the Emerald Dream, but corrupted, probably Emerald Nightmare related.
7- Elemental, maybe even Smolderon, depending on what 10.1.7 and 10.2 questing lead us to.
8- Primalist representative.
9- Djaradin representative.

Wayyyyy too similar to Aberrus IMO. Fyrakk will be one fight with multiple forms. No shadowflame besides him. We might get a fight with whatever the Djaradin Ingot construction is.

I think we'll get a Druid of the Flame boss, but a LOT more nature creatures or characters we haven't seen that come from the dream. Maybe Satyrs, traitor Keepers, an evil fairy, Drust, Botani, etc.

Bonus points: a Naaru, cus Elune.

[Catastrophy349]

So, the "main campaign" is almost guaranteed (obviously) to be "Green Dragon" aligned. Do we think there will be a Red Dragon questline (similarly to the Blue Dragon one), or will the Red Dragon stuff be in a .5/.7 patch (10.3 if it happens)?