1. #14381
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaggler View Post
    Vyranoth's turn may be relatively sudden, but it absolutely makes sense with her character.

    She hates what the titans did, forcing their "gift" onbthe dragons. If she would support her brother in forcing his "gift" on the druids she would be a hypocrite.

    Vyranoth is logical and cold (fittingly) snd she lets Alexstrasza still feel her resentment with her remaeks.

    In the end from her perspective she's siding with the lesser of two evils.
    It makes perfect sense for sure. But it's still too early. This should have been brewing for a week or two at least, and probably not happened until the pre-raid questline in 10.2.
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  2. #14382
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    She doesn't have to side with Alex to oppose him.
    she doesn't want the tree to get destroyed, so she has to. she's not strong enough to fight him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    So long as Tyr isnt active and we know what his plans for the Incarnates were I imagine they will keep being only loosely tied to the plot. Vyranoth especially has a clear storyline that would explain everything, but we still need antagonistic Tyr to bring it all home.
    I just feel that at this stage of the story, we should have a much more clear idea of what is going on.

  4. #14384
    She doesn't but it would basically be a death sentence. Raszageth is dead, Iridikron gone and Fyrakk is empowerd by the Shadowflame

  5. #14385
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I just feel that at this stage of the story, we should have a much more clear idea of what is going on.
    It's an issue with how WoW is forced to tell it's story I find. The story in WoW is simultaneously slow as molasses, but also paced at a breackneck speed. If you the story quests of an expansion after it's done it would feel like it barely takes any breaks to let big moments sink in, or for that matter properly build up. And yet when you play it as it's happening it feels terribly slow.

    The story is in desperate need of more hints at Tyr being evil, but since the story is told in chunks you cannot make it too apparent right away in fear of making the characters look like idiots, which means you are forced to spent ages just waiting for the other shoe to drop so the "real" plot can begin.

    Hopefully it doesnt take too long after Tyr is awakened that we start seeing the signs of antagonistic Tyr. We are after all halfway through the expansion by that point.
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    Oh lol, wowhead posted some details on the Forsaken heritage quest. and just, lol. Nothing. I mean, the one they did at the end of SL was a far better heritage quest than this. Bonus points, Alliance apparently lost control of Fenris keep to the Scarlets because why would they not.

    Seems Orc Heritage questline was just a fluke.

  7. #14387
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Halfway? We're at the beginning of the end, my dude.
    Halfway if you don't count all the setup I suppose. We do still have 10.2 and 10.3 to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaggler View Post
    Vyranoth's turn may be relatively sudden, but it absolutely makes sense with her character.

    She hates what the titans did, forcing their "gift" onbthe dragons. If she would support her brother in forcing his "gift" on the druids she would be a hypocrite.

    Vyranoth is logical and cold (fittingly) snd she lets Alexstrasza still feel her resentment with her remaeks.

    In the end from her perspective she's siding with the lesser of two evils.
    It makes perfect sense for her to oppose Fyrakk.
    It does not make perfect sense for her to just join Alex 5 minutes into being released.

    Her disappointment with Fyrakk should not be put in opposition with her hatred of the Aspects.

    It's too early, it lacks context.
    it cheapens her (justified) anger at them gene editing her eggs and imprisoning them for who knows how long.




  9. #14389
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh lol, wowhead posted some details on the Forsaken heritage quest. and just, lol. Nothing. I mean, the one they did at the end of SL was a far better heritage quest than this. Bonus points, Alliance apparently lost control of Fenris keep to the Scarlets because why would they not.

    Seems Orc Heritage questline was just a fluke.
    The Forsaken were not in a place where they needed a super juicy heritage quest. Green Orcs have had zero lore since Mists, so it makes sense they needed a major update.

  10. #14390
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh lol, wowhead posted some details on the Forsaken heritage quest. and just, lol. Nothing. I mean, the one they did at the end of SL was a far better heritage quest than this. Bonus points, Alliance apparently lost control of Fenris keep to the Scarlets because why would they not.

    Seems Orc Heritage questline was just a fluke.
    Did we expect anyting different though? The story of the Forsaken is so muddled by Sylvanas that I am surprised they managed to make anything at all. They had to conclusively set up that the Forsaken are more than Sylvanas, even as rabid Sylvanas fanboys are chomping at the bit to have their glorious queen canonized.
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  11. #14391
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh lol, wowhead posted some details on the Forsaken heritage quest. and just, lol. Nothing. I mean, the one they did at the end of SL was a far better heritage quest than this. Bonus points, Alliance apparently lost control of Fenris keep to the Scarlets because why would they not.

    Seems Orc Heritage questline was just a fluke.
    you can only get so much with the current writing team.

  12. #14392
    Uh oh. There are dragon race files for 10.2, 10.2.5... and then 11.0.

    10.2 "final major patch" announcement on Thursday, ten bucks.
    Last edited by Cheezits; 2023-09-05 at 07:55 PM.

  13. #14393
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    It makes perfect sense for her to oppose Fyrakk.
    It does not make perfect sense for her to just join Alex 5 minutes into being released.

    Her disappointment with Fyrakk should not be put in opposition with her hatred of the Aspects.

    It's too early, it lacks context.
    it cheapens her (justified) anger at them gene editing her eggs and imprisoning them for who knows how long.
    As i said, it is sudden,m and maybe a bit too quick, but from her position she basically has no other choice. If she joins Fyrakk she is a hypocrite and not better in any way than Alex, if sge figgts Fyrakk she is doomed to die.

    Vyranoth doesn't want the planet to burn.

  14. #14394
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Most people seem to believe that there is no 10.3, and I tend to agree.

    Although Keyboardturn on Twitter just discovered some references in Dragonriding to a 10.2.5 patch.
    Why would the writers do that though? Seems like the dumbest possible decision they could make. They might as well go out and declare that players should have no faith in them at all.

    Unless the Dream is actually all about the Titan Keepers we don't really have time for a proper sendoff to the expansion. Dragonflight is going to need a 10.3 to really close off the Titan Keepers messing with the Proto-dragon storyline in a way that doesnt mean we have to keep dragging the corpse of DF along with us into 11.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Na, the cinematic was super cute. Anyone else shipping Vyranoth and Alex right now?^^
    ......Stop it with the shipping nonsense. they're just friends


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    Terrible having no 10.3
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  16. #14396
    Vyranoth is an antagonist who swaps sides immediately when they realize something is up/something they believed in is no longer adhering to her ideals.

    Iridikron is an antagonist that not only sacrifices his own kin for his goals, but also knows when to run to the point that he (very possibly) escapes an expansion just so we can't kill him. Both without following a selfish agenda.

    These are both pretty novel ideas for Warcraft antagonists IMO, and I think it's a good sign of the writing moving forward. Fyrakk is there if you want the classic cheesy fun crazy badguy.

  17. #14397
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Why would the writers do that though? Seems like the dumbest possible decision they could make. They might as well go out and declare that players should have no faith in them at all.

    Unless the Dream is actually all about the Titan Keepers we don't really have time for a proper sendoff to the expansion. Dragonflight is going to need a 10.3 to really close off the Titan Keepers messing with the Proto-dragon storyline in a way that doesnt mean we have to keep dragging the corpse of DF along with us into 11.0
    Well if the shocking reveal is the Cosmic Void invasion with certain familiar Old Gods starting and the Tree burns for ultimate shock value...

    Only real option beyond "Sunshine and rainbows" into Revamp or

    There's a Titan Facility in Emerald Dream that can reoriginate the Planet.
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  18. #14398
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Unless the Dream is actually all about the Titan Keepers we don't really have time for a proper sendoff to the expansion. Dragonflight is going to need a 10.3 to really close off the Titan Keepers messing with the Proto-dragon storyline in a way that doesnt mean we have to keep dragging the corpse of DF along with us into 11.0
    The Dream was created/spun by Titans, if it's a huge Argus-tier patch it can absolutely deal with both defending the tree and titan stuff.

  19. #14399
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    We still using Chronicle lore? Cause there seems to be more to the Dream than just Titan shit.
    That's why I said spun. If they are going to resolve the Titan stuff then they may dial back on Lifelands/new lore.

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