The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

No pirates
https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1698517913672573052

Wait and see people using it as pirates expansion confirmation.

But it is interesting Ybarra reacted to tweet about someone wanting to reexplore core Azeroth. Funny that I pictured rather EK or part of EK as potential continent for Void or Light vs Void expac, but Thrall on art and Kodo mount in shop out of blue suggest Kalimdor as well. I think full revamp (EK + Kalimdor) "leaks" will soon start, I wonder if Blizzard will react with controlled "leak" again to cut wild speculations .

.. or maybe they won't be "wild" at all?

[Revamp Man]

Oh good lord then it's either elemental or orcs or both.
Or this light is evil thing hopefully. Please no elemental orc xpac...... Oh man
This thrall blizzcon hint is really a bad sign. Metzen returns, thrall returns.... The last xpac metzen was part of was WoD, right? Or was he still on the team before legion?

It's elemental
Then we get into light vs void in 13.0 i think

[Worldshaper]

The thing is, the way WoW does it, it can't just be a revamp. There's gotta be something new to the expansion because, the moment the pre-patch hits? All the new-ish stuff is out there in the world. And if the new-ish stuff is 'revamped world', then... Just like with Cata, we'll have that from the pre-patch. Which kind of makes a poor argument for "Buy the expansion". Cata itself had the new zones like Hyjal and the like gated off with the "If you don't have Cata, we port you out" spells (which also mis-fired on one quest you were on a mount for, as you snaked into Twilight Highlands)

Phasing limits the world to the point its not really going to be a revamp and, per Blizzard's own stuff as to why we don't have Karabor as a city, hurts server load a bit. So either you've got an expansion you don't need to buy, or they'd have to do something awful like making a whole seperate EK and let me tell you, its bad enough to have two Dalarans, I do not want two Stormwinds and two Orgrimmars

This is a non-issue.

A - they could stagger the release of the content, for example of one zone has shut its gated in Gilnean style, or is infested by the Void, or whatever.

B - they could introduce new zones along with the old ones, like they did in Cataclysm. Almost all those speculated South Seas zones could probably be added along the coasts just as well, or be patch content out at sea. They could let us visit the elemental planes properly.

B - different corners of the map could be expanded upon, like that old "Northeron" area west of Quel'thalas. Remember Twilight Highlands?

[Holdodlig]

Real leak won't happens until a few days before Blizzcon anyway. It's not going to be made by Blizzard employees but by contractors imo.

[Well Done Steak]

Since pirates is now out, void vs light here we come. Told you guys.

Bronze shenanigans gonna bring yrel to us.

[Darkarath]

I believe that Ybarra's Tweet will be true. No pirates for 11.0.

Depending on what we see on 10.1.7 and especially on the reveal and datamining of 10.2, I think that the possibility of that leak about 11.0 being Elemental focused could be true.

They have yet to explain what is happening with the Elemental Lords and the Primalist's origins. Elemental focus along other themes in a world revamp would be a perfect fit for 11.0. It would be a kind of DF expansion, fixing and adding evergreen systems and creating new lore, threats and characters.

Also, might 10.2 reveal happen today? I guess that they want the PTR up this wednesday, so they have to the info dump before that.

[PenguinChan]

If there is a world revamp, the max/expansion content has to take place in this new world.

A Cata-style revamp would take a massive amount of resources for content that, in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter (leveling). In Cataclysm the endgame-content suffered massively due to the revamp, even though they weren't even able to finish it, as you can see with zones that were barely touched like Arathi or Silithus.

Qwik said no pirates, but he didn't say no privateers :P

I'd rather Blizzard create an amazingly new guided experience (like Exile's Reach) to teach players how to do more complex mechanics and understanding of their classes and the interactions they have with certain overworld mobs. Right now the game suffers because of how much it kind of lacks any consistent direction. Sad honestly - FFXIV has shown it helps a LOT and enables enjoyable content that isn't just facetanking a majority of the casual content.

[Makorus]

No pirates
https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1698517913672573052

Welp, this is unprecedented.

I think it's gonna be a continuation of the Iridikron plot thread i.e. Void stuff and a return of Azshara.

[Sondrelk]

The thing is, the way WoW does it, it can't just be a revamp. There's gotta be something new to the expansion because, the moment the pre-patch hits? All the new-ish stuff is out there in the world. And if the new-ish stuff is 'revamped world', then... Just like with Cata, we'll have that from the pre-patch. Which kind of makes a poor argument for "Buy the expansion". Cata itself had the new zones like Hyjal and the like gated off with the "If you don't have Cata, we port you out" spells (which also mis-fired on one quest you were on a mount for, as you snaked into Twilight Highlands)

Phasing limits the world to the point its not really going to be a revamp and, per Blizzard's own stuff as to why we don't have Karabor as a city, hurts server load a bit. So either you've got an expansion you don't need to buy, or they'd have to do something awful like making a whole seperate EK and let me tell you, its bad enough to have two Dalarans, I do not want two Stormwinds and two Orgrimmars

A separate world isn't that unthinkable I imagine. For one all the complaints surrounding the removal of the old world quests when Cata came around kinda makes me think we will still have old quests from Cata in a new world revamp.
I'm sure there is some neat trick that Blizzard could do that keeps the players without the new expansion in the old versions of the zones.

[KayRule]

I'm fine with no Pirates, but if it's Voidshit or more Orcshit I'm going to kill myself. It was so great to come back to WoW embracing the "Lands of Mystery" sense of exploration and lateral story scaling with Dragonflight, and I was hoping a seafaring expansion would continue that theme. If we're truly heading back to the kind of shit that ruined WoW like WoD and Shadowlands, I guess I'll be taking another 3 year break.

Please Blizzard, whatever it ends up being, don't go back to trying cosmic threat creep and boring melodramatic stories trying desperately to be like Game of Thrones.

Take us to Elune or Kezan or any made up new place, just no more cosmic dimensions and alternate realities in space. If the Void is the main theme, please set is somewhere interested and grounded on Azeroth.

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Welp, this is unprecedented.

I think it's gonna be a continuation of the Iridikron plot thread i.e. Void stuff and a return of Azshara.

If they fail to give this expansion a satisfying conclusion and turly have the next expansion be a part two, WoW storytelling is doomed. I cannot believe they would dare to do something so sheerly fucking stupid after only just now finally getting the story experience right.

[Sondrelk]

Just a reminder about leaks before the season starts.
If it's a fully detailed post you read --> Liza Minnelli. Lies.

Real leaks tend to be a couple of lines merely like:
New continent Dragon Isles
New lvl cap 70
Winged fire-puking reptile player race Dracthyr
Unique class Evoker
Available only to Dracthyr
Tyr plays a role in the story

When a "leak" post starts with something like:
"So the next chapter of WoW takes place in [insert continent here] with the [insert cosmic force here] attacking Azeroth. After a huge naval mission has failed near the coasts of [insert continent here], we are sent there by [insert main protagonist here] to investigate the dark dealings of [insert main antagonist here] and..." --> LIZA MINNELLI. LIES.

Have a great day y'all!
Also: Happy waiting for 10.2 news (IMHO: not happening this week)

As I have said before. The most likely source of leaks is some low level employee at the Blizzcon Convention Center seeing the rehearsal for the actual release, then making a leak when they get off work and have access to their phones.

[KayRule]

As I have said before. The most likely source of leaks is some low level employee at the Blizzcon Convention Center seeing the rehearsal for the actual release, then making a leak when they get off work and have access to their phones.

Yes, it's why actual leaks have always directly referenced expansion reveal slides (Vol'jin in an urn!)

Also from the people we've known who posted actual leaks, they were told by friends who worked at Blizzard every time, rather than being employees themselves, so very second hand base surface level stuff.

I also remember a real Mists of Pandaria leak that for some reason mentioned Ogres as one of the races able to be Monks, and I don't know if that person was having a laugh, or if it was poison info to potentially sniff out leakers.

[Lady Atia]

I'm fine with no Pirates, but if it's Voidshit or more Orcshit I'm going to kill myself. It was so great to come back to WoW embracing the "Lands of Mystery" sense of exploration and lateral story scaling with Dragonflight, and I was hoping a seafaring expansion would continue that theme. If we're truly heading back to the kind of shit that ruined WoW like WoD and Shadowlands, I guess I'll be taking another 3 year break.

Please Blizzard, whatever it ends up being, don't go back to trying cosmic threat creep and boring melodramatic stories trying desperately to be like Game of Thrones.

Take us to Elune or Kezan or any made up new place, just no more cosmic dimensions and alternate realities in space. If the Void is the main theme, please set is somewhere interested and grounded on Azeroth.

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If they fail to give this expansion a satisfying conclusion and turly have the next expansion be a part two, WoW storytelling is doomed. I cannot believe they would dare to do something so sheerly fucking stupid after only just now finally getting the story experience right.

You are aware that Elune is residing within the lifelands? And Kezan is a small, destroyed vulcano island lol.

[Makorus]

I'm fine with no Pirates, but if it's Voidshit or more Orcshit I'm going to kill myself. It was so great to come back to WoW embracing the "Lands of Mystery" sense of exploration and lateral story scaling with Dragonflight, and I was hoping a seafaring expansion would continue that theme. If we're truly heading back to the kind of shit that ruined WoW like WoD and Shadowlands, I guess I'll be taking another 3 year break.

Please Blizzard, whatever it ends up being, don't go back to trying cosmic threat creep and boring melodramatic stories trying desperately to be like Game of Thrones.

Take us to Elune or Kezan or any made up new place, just no more cosmic dimensions and alternate realities in space. If the Void is the main theme, please set is somewhere interested and grounded on Azeroth.

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If they fail to give this expansion a satisfying conclusion and turly have the next expansion be a part two, WoW storytelling is doomed. I cannot believe they would dare to do something so sheerly fucking stupid after only just now finally getting the story experience right.

Having every single expansion be self-contained is incredibly lame and would never work.

It's just gonna be expansions filled with literal "who's" because by the time you even have a chance to give them some backstory and motives, it's gonna be over.

If we didn't have Warcraft 3, I am sure Wrath/the Lich King wouldn't have been as memorable as they were. No one would have cared about Illidan if he wasn't a character in WC3.

It's a game series. It's a franchise. Not wanting the different games/expansion not interact with eachother is a borderline deranged take. People call it "bad writing" to have a villain carry over into a different expansion, but jesus christ, have you guys ever read a book?

[KayRule]

You are aware that Elune is residing within the lifelands? And Kezan is a small, destroyed vulcano island lol.

And Shadowlands was just a realm like Emerald Dream and Zandalar was destroyed in the Cataclsym....

Did you really think you were making a point when you made this post?

Also by Elune, I meant the moon, not whatever new lore shit the Lifelands is.

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Having every single expansion be self-contained is incredibly lame and would never work.

It's just gonna be expansions filled with literal "who's" because by the time you even have a chance to give them some backstory and motives, it's gonna be over.

It's been this way literally every expansion before, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Makorus]

And Shadowlands was just a realm like Emerald Dream and Zandalar was destroyed in the Cataclsym....

Did you really think you were making a point when you made this post?

Also by Elune, I meant the moon, not whatever new lore shit the Lifelands is.

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It's been this way literally every expansion before, what the fuck are you talking about?

What expansion has been like that?

TBC wasn't self-contained, it was a continuation of WC3/Vanilla. Wrath wasn't self-contained, it was a continuation of WC3. Cataclysm was set-up since at least TBC and Night of the Dragons. MoP definitely was, fair enough. Warlords wasn't. Legion wasn't self-contained, it was literally a continuation of TBC. Legion/BFA/SL is a trilogy anyway. DF was.

[KayRule]

DF was.

Oh I didn't realize you had some weird arbitrary made up logic that was counter-intuitive to the actual words you were using. Well by your metrics, Dragonflight has been picking up on numerous dropped plot threads in Wrath of the Lich King, several of which were refocused in Legion with various Artifact acquisition quests.

[Santandame]

No pirates! (but still possibly maybe some pirates I guess but definitely not as a main theme similar to DF?)

“There are no Old Gods in Battle for Azeroth.”

Can’t believe how gullible people are being that this means no pirates.

[Makorus]

Oh I didn't realize you had some weird arbitrary made up logic that was counter-intuitive to the actual words you were using. Well by your metrics, Dragonflight has been picking up on numerous dropped plot threads in Wrath of the Lich King, several of which were refocused in Legion with various Artifact acquisition quests.

Sorry, other than the settings and minor NPCs being included (like Kurog), I don't see how Dragonflight isn't it's own story for now. Primalists and the Incarnates who are the main antagonists for now are completely new entities. The main narrative is independent of any other expansion. Dragonflight would still make as much sense as it does now without any other expansion/games existing. You couldn't say the same about TBC, Wrath, Legion, BFA or Shadowlands. I do retract Cataclysm. Warlords is kind of an outlier because it's fundamentally literally based on another game.

You were the one bitched about Blizzard making the "next expansion be a part two" because we are obviously not gonna kill Iridikron in this expansion.

Saying that all the other games are independent on eachother is idiotic.

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“There are no Old Gods in Battle for Azeroth.”

Can’t believe how gullible people are being that this means no pirates.

They literally never said that.

People always parrot that, but they've never said that.

[Worldshaper]

Let's all just be happy that this week is when things finally start to take off.

Tonight we'll get the This Week in WoW blog post, tomorrow 10.1.7 and all the story being revealed there (new cinematics?), and perhaps later in the week 10.2 news and PTR.

Then it's just one exciting datamining-filled stretch of about 7-8 weeks until BlizzCon.