The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Easy, turalyon and alleria will be the good reps of each cosmic force.

Idk what thrall's role is but I have a feeling it has to do with the maghar's and lightbound's conflict

I don't see it quite working out that way, but I do think you and I are pretty close to seeing the expansion playing out in similar ways.

I view it as Turalyon pushes the alliance towards embracing Yrel's Lightbound army, significantly causing a rift in the alliance, and some members of the alliance (especially Alleria and the Void Elves) being considered a threat due to their void connections. On the horde front, I can see Thrall almost immediately opposing Yrel because of the Mag'har, but that can cause strife in the Horde as well because of the new Forsaken leadership and maybe even some Sunwalkers and Blood Knights defecting. On the flip side of that though, Yrel's presence could kickstart a new crusade for the Scarlet Crusade and cause them to attack the Forsaken in Tirisfal Glades and Gilneas with Turalyon (and potentially Greymayne) pretty much looking the other way.

In the end, I believe Yrel is potentially a very destabilizing force for Azeroth. Thrall's role would be the stabilizing force, and a wonderful way to reinsert him as Warcraft's main protagonist for the 20th anniversary of WoW.

[Nibelheimy]

Elements as a theme isn't guaranteed for 11.0, but it's possible.

Warlords of Draenor had lots of Legion stuff going on, especially the last patch. A lot of us weren't expecting more Burning Legion again so soon. Then, bam. Legion announced.

Battle for Azeroth had lots of Sylvanas, Anduin, Jaina, QQing Night Elves, and hints about Mueh'zala, Bwonzamdi, etc. going on. Then, bam. Shadowlands.

It's fully possibly, especially given that Thrall is the poster boy for it, that 11.0 has some Elemental content going on.

Trying to think back to Legion leak season, and I specifically recall a few people stating that blizzard would never do a Legion expansion after hell fire citadel because people are bored of green. They just did green. The whole last patch Is focused on green. They definately won't do green again so soon. Which is hilarious in hindsight. Don't think I was an active poster back then, but I was one of those people and I was wronggg. Legion itself shows how even if the expansion is fel focused, it can have more themeing and imagery than that.

It just takes a little imagination to see what could be with an new expansion with elemental themeing in parts, but the same faces just come up with 'we've just had elementals as bad so no'. Very strange.

[Well Done Steak]

Elements as a theme isn't guaranteed for 11.0, but it's possible.

Warlords of Draenor had lots of Legion stuff going on, especially the last patch. A lot of us weren't expecting more Burning Legion again so soon. Then, bam. Legion announced.

Battle for Azeroth had lots of Sylvanas, Anduin, Jaina, QQing Night Elves, and hints about Mueh'zala, Bwonzamdi, etc. going on. Then, bam. Shadowlands.

It's fully possibly, especially given that Thrall is the poster boy for it, that 11.0 has some Elemental content going on. Basically anything you found in Cataclysm is possible for both Dragonflight and 11.0. Void, Old Gods, Elements, Elemental Lords, Azshara, Dragons, Thrall, World Revamp, etc. It's all on the table.

Thrall's is poster boy because yrel's lightbound will clash with the maghar. He's essentially female thrall's mentor.

[Santandame]

I agree that Pirates are not enough to carry an expansion. However, Pirates would be a good secondary/tertiary threat like the Mantid or Gnolls.

They could easily have their own raid tier. I don’t know why people seem to think they’re insignificant as a threat.

Although I’ve already suggested that a potential magic based Nightsquall who initially leads a pirate armada but turns to the Void halfway through an expansion by making a deal with Azshara/The Harbinger, turning his fleet into eldritch terrors could quite easily be an expansion worthy threat on par with the Primalists and Garrosh during MoP.

[micwini]

They could easily have their own raid tier. I don’t know why people seem to think they’re insignificant as a threat.

Although I’ve already suggested that a potential magic based Nightsquall who initially leads a pirate armada but turns to the Void halfway through an expansion by making a deal with Azshara/The Harbinger, turning his fleet into eldritch terrors could quite easily be an expansion worthy threat on par with the Primalists and Garrosh during MoP.

So literally Stormsong 2.0?

[Teriz]

So literally Stormsong 2.0?

It's almost like people didn't quest through Kul'tiras in BFA.....

[Hitei]

Trying to think back to Legion leak season, and I specifically recall a few people stating that blizzard would never do a Legion expansion after hell fire citadel because people are bored of green. They just did green. The whole last patch Is focused on green. They definately won't do green again so soon. Which is hilarious in hindsight. Don't think I was an active poster back then, but I was one of those people and I was wronggg. Legion itself shows how even if the expansion is fel focused, it can have more themeing and imagery than that.

It just takes a little imagination to see what could be with an new expansion with elemental themeing in parts, but the same faces just come up with 'we've just had elementals as bad so no'. Very strange.

WoD had a last patch that was Legion themed.
MoP had a last patch that was orc themed.

The entire Dragonflight expansion is elemental themed, down to even minor aspects like dumb temporary vanity shoulder enchant crafts.

This isn't WoD into Legion or MoP into WoD. This getting WotLK and going "Mmm, yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance 4.0 is gonna be about Undead?"

[Makorus]

They could easily have their own raid tier. I don’t know why people seem to think they’re insignificant as a threat.

Although I’ve already suggested that a potential magic based Nightsquall who initially leads a pirate armada but turns to the Void halfway through an expansion by making a deal with Azshara/The Harbinger, turning his fleet into eldritch terrors could quite easily be an expansion worthy threat on par with the Primalists and Garrosh during MoP.

That's not Pirates. That's just a Void expansion.

[Santandame]

So literally Stormsong 2.0?

Wasn’t it just the Tidepriests that turned into the K’thir?

I assume they would look different to N’Zoth based entities. For all the meme’ing about pirates = pirates of the Caribbean seen in this thread; one thing I would take from that series in terms of inspo would be Davy Jones crew after they transformed.

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That's not Pirates. That's just a Void expansion.

Sorry? Lol

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Trying to think back to Legion leak season, and I specifically recall a few people stating that blizzard would never do a Legion expansion after hell fire citadel because people are bored of green. They just did green. The whole last patch Is focused on green. They definately won't do green again so soon. Which is hilarious in hindsight. Don't think I was an active poster back then, but I was one of those people and I was wronggg. Legion itself shows how even if the expansion is fel focused, it can have more themeing and imagery than that.

It just takes a little imagination to see what could be with an new expansion with elemental themeing in parts, but the same faces just come up with 'we've just had elementals as bad so no'. Very strange.

Fair point but they would IMO need to go bigger with the elementals as a theme, compared to Cataclysm per say. I'm talking about some world changing/ big spectacle things, like its remicisent of the elemental chaos Azeroth dealt with before the Titans came and facerolled the elemental lords into submission. I can see some interesting ideas with it.

WoD had a last patch that was Legion themed.
MoP had a last patch that was orc themed.

The entire Dragonflight expansion is elemental themed, down to even minor aspects like dumb temporary vanity shoulder enchant crafts.

This isn't WoD into Legion or MoP into WoD. This getting WotLK and going "Mmm, yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance 4.0 is gonna be about Undead?"

And right after that MoP patch with orcs. We got a new legion of Orcs ready to come after(Yes I know Orc fatigue was a thing but honestly that might of been a mistake to cave to considering what WoD end up being). It all depends how they handle it. Not that I am expecting more elementals.

[Santandame]

It's almost like people didn't quest through Kul'tiras in BFA.....

Madness considering how much you exposed about yourself a few pages back in regards to knowing the Kul Tiras questing experience.

[Worldshaper]

I don't see how you could go more Elemental in theme than Dragonflight is doing though. At least not without doing what Cataclysm did and actually have us to back to the Firelands or Deepholm.
I guess you could focus more on actual elementals as characters, but that feels like a bit of a sidegrade to what we have now with the Incarnates.

So maybe that's what they're doing.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee, only that it's possible. Just as Archimonde and Gul'dan was about as much "Legion" as you could get in WoD, it turns out Blizzard had a way to one-up themselves the following expansion.

Same deal with Dragonflight and Cataclysm, really. They basically just replaced Deathwing, and the Elemental Lords with the Primal Incarnates.

I could picture a scenario where we enter the different elemental planes. Maybe in a raid dungeon?

Trying to think back to Legion leak season, and I specifically recall a few people stating that blizzard would never do a Legion expansion after hell fire citadel because people are bored of green. They just did green. The whole last patch Is focused on green. They definately won't do green again so soon. Which is hilarious in hindsight. Don't think I was an active poster back then, but I was one of those people and I was wronggg. Legion itself shows how even if the expansion is fel focused, it can have more themeing and imagery than that.

It just takes a little imagination to see what could be with an new expansion with elemental themeing in parts, but the same faces just come up with 'we've just had elementals as bad so no'. Very strange.

I was among those who said Blizzard would never do an expansion about the Legion right after 6.2. I figured all those ship models from the Garrison meant we were getting some South Seas kind of deal. Boy, did I learn my lesson!

Thrall's is poster boy because yrel's lightbound will clash with the maghar. He's essentially female thrall's mentor.

Nah. I think there's a very small chance we'll ever see Yrel and the AU Orcs again.

[Makorus]

Wasn’t it just the Tidepriests that turned into the K’thir?

I assume they would look different to N’Zoth based entities. For all the meme’ing about pirates = pirates of the Caribbean seen in this thread; one thing I would take from that series in terms of inspo would be Davy Jones crew after they transformed.

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Sorry? Lol

If the whole threat of the pirates is the fact that they are void-empowered, then that's just a Void expansion by proxy.

That's like saying "Oh yeah, squirrels could definitely carry an expansion! The Light is gonna corrupt the Squirrels and mutate them and turn them into killing machines!"

[Cheezits]

Revampbros... did we just win?

[Santandame]

If the whole threat of the pirates is the fact that they are void-empowered, then that's just a Void expansion by proxy.

That's like saying "Oh yeah, squirrels could definitely carry an expansion! The Light is gonna corrupt the Squirrels and mutate them and turn them into killing machines!"

If the general meat of the expansion is pirates in their own right, with the final patch being them making a deal with the devil so to speak, then it would still be a pirate themed with themes of the Void as well.

That’s like saying MoP was an Old God expansion and WoD was a Legion expansion just because both of the main antagonists pivoted to making a deal with another force at the end of the expansion.

[micwini]

Wasn’t it just the Tidepriests that turned into the K’thir?

I assume they would look different to N’Zoth based entities. For all the meme’ing about pirates = pirates of the Caribbean seen in this thread; one thing I would take from that series in terms of inspo would be Davy Jones crew after they transformed.

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Sorry? Lol

House Stormsong with lord Stormsong at the helm was responsible for the fleet. The zone was basically the area where all the ships were built and the "tidesages" were educated. While drustvar provided the basic materials and food for the continent and Tiragarde was the seat of power.
Stormsong made a pact with Azshara/the void and turned himself + a lot of the tidesages and others into K'thir and was also responsible for hiding the existing fleet and its crew in an unnatural storm.

[Worldshaper]

WoD had a last patch that was Legion themed.
MoP had a last patch that was orc themed.

The entire Dragonflight expansion is elemental themed, down to even minor aspects like dumb temporary vanity shoulder enchant crafts.

This isn't WoD into Legion or MoP into WoD. This getting WotLK and going "Mmm, yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance 4.0 is gonna be about Undead?"

Except that's not true.

The elemental theme is just one part of Dragonflight. We've also got (Titanic) Dragons, the Void, exploration, and a bunch of other stuff going on.

Besides, it wasn't just 6.2 that was Legion themed. The subplot of WoD was basically all about the Burning Legion. The Iron Horde was just the cover. From the opening cinematic where they killed Mannoroth, to a bunch of quests, NPCS, and locations that were heavily Fel themed, to the big finale in 6.2.

The theme of WoD was basically "what if the Orcs said no... what would that look like, and would it really mean anything in terms of the Legion still carrying out its plans?"

[micwini]

Revampbros... did we just win?

Dont hype me up like this

[Sondrelk]

Revampbros... did we just win?

The Revamp fight isnt over until I see revamped zones at Blizzcon. I won't be done until I know for sure I get what I want.

[Ersula]

Elements as a theme isn't guaranteed for 11.0, but it's possible.

Ironically, if we get an old world revamp, I guarantee the larger plot isn't going to be evident, like BFA, but also more like classic where there's just smaller conflicts happening in each region. So we're going to get a resounding "No Theme" Theme from the expansion reveal.

I was thinking about an elemental themed expansion would look like. An elemental expansion would follow the formula but I'm sure now that fans of wow are aware of the formula, the developers are going to intentionally go against it. Plus, we're at peace with the Elemental Lords so I don't know what kind of conflict there would be, so instead what if it's not to attack the people of azeroth but to help us: 10.3 brings the Harbinger to Azeroth & a giant battle scoured the surface of the planet, and now the Elemental Lords come to help us heal the planet.

But then I thought, what if we're all correct? What if we're getting a world revamp with an elemental theme? And not just the classical elements, but all the elements?

• Dragonflight ends with a giant battle between Iridikron, The Titans & the Harbinger destroying whole regions of the planet.
• Turalyon & Alleria take this opportunity to take back the Sunwell.
• Just like the last time she tried, Alleria communing with the sunwell causes void creatures from the deep dark to pour into Azeroth.
• The Elemental Lords invade the Material plane to protect their respective elements from the void.
• Turalyon appeals to the Naaru to intervene on the Void excursion on Azeroth.
• Alt alt (original universe) Yrel arrives with an army of Light extremists to subjugate the planet.
• Thrall assembles an army that can stop any of the 6 elemental forces from taking control of Azeroth.