The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

How many? Who?

Guess who xD.

I'm guessing you watched Asmongold's reaction to Venruki's video? I don't think we need a "WoW2". The "reset/revamp" in Dragonflight for a lot of systems was a great start (IMO). Excited to see where things go from here.

I'm all in for simplifying currency, making stuff easier or account wide. But imagine throwing whole game to garbage cause you have too many stuff to collect xD. Collection game in WoW is basically horizontal progression many people ask for.

[Pheraz]

I believe the fact that Blizzard just confirmed that there will be no pirate stuff next expansion proved my point. A pirate theme can't carry an expansion, and a pirate-based expansion would be too much like BFA.

It's time to move on.



Except Shadowlands WAS different than WotLK. People here were suggesting a beat for beat retread of BFA. Thankfully Blizzard took the wind out of their sails.

Yes... I couldn't help myself.

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Or Thrall on the cover could mean this;



Which makes sense, because it can house everything that people want. Especially the World Revamp people.

I am not sure if I can follow. Why does thrall mean Yrel? o.O

[Reive]

I'm guessing you watched Asmongold's reaction to Venruki's video? I don't think we need a "WoW2". The "reset/revamp" in Dragonflight for a lot of systems was a great start (IMO). Excited to see where things go from here.

I do think the devs should give a "lift up" to the old world, but yeah a hard reset would probably kill the game

How many? Who?

It's more about the comments. i was surprised by how many want this reset/new game to happen.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Guess who xD.



I'm all in for simplifying currency, making stuff easier or account wide. But imagine throwing whole game to garbage cause you have too many stuff to collect xD. Collection game in WoW is basically horizontal progression many people ask for.

Simplifying the currency is one thing. Doing a Wow 2 is far more grand but I'm sure most people that watch streamers don't even understand that.

[Darkarath]

was watching some wow videos on yt and saw many advocating for a hard reset of the game/a wow2. what's your opinion on the matter?

We have talked about this before.

IMO WoW clearly needs a restart of some kind. WoW 1.5 or WoW 2.0. Sadly Blizzard will not do this until WoW 1.0 is dead for good, which is comprensible.

Current WoW has many problems. The game is too old, gameplay and graphics wise. It has 0 chances of appealing to younger generations, leaving aside that the game is waaaay too complicated for new players. WoW players would eventually fade away because we are an old playerbase. We might still enjoy the game but real life issues would probably make us leave the game at some point, while no new players would come, so...

I do not blame Blizzard. I do not think that this situation has happened before, at least not with a game of this magnitude. The game is going to be 20 years old!! And still going strong !! Is insane. But It is clearly not the beast that it was and competence is getting tougher.

At least I am very confident that 11.0 will get even more support than DF. After that it depends on the success of this soft restart that they have started with DF and that has to continue with 11.0, hopefully with a world revamp, which lets be honest, is the only thing that would put WoW on the map again.

[Cheezits]

I am not sure if I can follow. Why does thrall mean Yrel? o.O

Yrel was the main Alliance-side character in WoD, counter to Thrall.

[Catastrophy349]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

[Sondrelk]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

Minor visual revamp (HD textures and various small changes) of EK/Kalimdor zones. Possibly just one. Quests updated, but not to an extent where each zone is necessarily a full levelling zone by itself. All endgame zones are in revamped zones, rather than new ones.

Also Page 777. Today is the lucky day, I can feel it.

[Makabreska]

It's more about the comments. i was surprised by how many want this reset/new game to happen.

Again, who and where? Because if we talk about Twitch/YouTube chat, few people will start saying one thing and then entire chat is parroting it. I wouldn't put much trust into these, you need an actual poll to see what people want.

[Ersula]

At least I am very confident that 11.0 will get even more support than DF. After that it depends on the success of this soft restart that they have started with DF and that has to continue with 11.0, hopefully with a world revamp, which lets be honest, is the only thing that would put WoW on the map again.

Everquest played a big part in killing its own brand by releasing Everquest 2. The other big factor was a bunch of SOE venture capitalists cashing out at the same time. But it's never going to be a good idea to compete with yourself: Everquest 2's biggest fanbase was going to be Everquest 1 players so you're not pulling in new subscriptions. Suddenly the EQ1 and EQ2 developers are competing with each other for players. So from that MMO developers know its a bad idea. Though what Phantasy Star Online did was inspired: It sold a sequel (New Horizons) as part of the original game. It comes from the same launcher but its an entirely new engine, they just copied all the cosmetic stuff from one game to the other so people didn't feel like they lost anything.

On a related note, did anyone see Holinka & Ghostcrawler announced they were making their own MMO? After Ghostcrawler spent the last 5 years working on the League of Legends MMOs that isn't any closer to coming out. Ghostcrawler somehow avoided any scrutiny for the Cosby suite stuff he was in charge of by virtue of not working at blizzard when the expose dropped.

[Cheezits]

If the Nelf and Forsaken heritage quests set up future racial plots like the Human and Orc quests did, I think 11.0 being a revamp will get even more obvious.

I think its 50/50 on them resolving the Scarlet Calia plot in a single questline, and I hope they don't.

[Sondrelk]

Everquest played a big part in killing its own brand by releasing Everquest 2. The other big factor was a bunch of SOE venture capitalists cashing out at the same time. But it's never going to be a good idea to compete with yourself: Everquest 2's biggest fanbase was going to be Everquest 1 players so you're not pulling in new subscriptions. Suddenly the EQ1 and EQ2 developers are competing with each other for players. So from that MMO developers know its a bad idea. Though what Phantasy Star Online did was inspired: It sold a sequel (New Horizons) as part of the original game. It comes from the same launcher but its an entirely new engine, they just copied all the cosmetic stuff from one game to the other so people didn't feel like they lost anything.

On a related note, did anyone see Holinka & Ghostcrawler announced they were making their own MMO? After Ghostcrawler spent the last 5 years working on the League of Legends MMOs that isn't any closer to coming out. Ghostcrawler somehow avoided any scrutiny for the Cosby suite stuff he was in charge of by virtue of not working at blizzard when the expose dropped.

I have said before, and I will say again. WoW 2 will not be a thing until WoW has been on a low burn for years. The game would need several years since the last big update before it can even hope to gain anything by even announcing a new version. And even then it would likely not be as effective as reworking WoW proper to be more evergreen with rotating seasons or whatever.

[Darkarath]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

The only possible revamp is remaking the old zones from zero, like Draenor was. The more zones the better, but it is safe to assume that they would not be able to cover both Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms in one expansion.

Ideally the revamped zones would have an evergreen campaign both for new and old players, and all zones would have max level content.

Then we can talk about systems, which seriously need a revamp too in some cases, but meh, I just want to see 10.2, which is going to be so important for WoW (for bad or for good) and will give us so many clues in so many fields.

Also, fucking make everything account-wide.

Also:

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

[Ersula]

The only possible revamp is remaking the old zones from zero, like Draenor was. The more zones the better, but it is safe to assume that they would not be able to cover both Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms in one expansion.

Ideally the revamped zones would have an evergreen campaign both for new and old players, and all zones would have max level content.

Then we can talk about systems, which seriously need a revamp too in some cases, but meh, I just want to see 10.2, which is going to be so important for WoW (for bad or for good) and will give us so many clues in so many fields.

What if they don't remake the old zones from scratch? I think making a level 70-80 version of both continents is possible if they're just repopulating the zones with new assets.

[Worldshaper]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms, rebuilt from scratch.

Old zones merged into mega zones.

Not thousands of quests. A few modern campaigns will do. Faction. Race. Class. Azeroth.

Housing with a house HS.

Evergreen dynamic content.

Good, ambient music that works in the background to create an atmosphere.

Sword removed. Hyjal toned down.

Living coastlines with rich underwater content offshore.

Dragonriding but more types of mounts. New "mounted" animations that make the player look less wooden.

Fishing and archaeology overhaul.

Herbalism, mining and skinning turned into secondary professions everyone has access to.

The Botani and Saberon from Draenor have settled.

Class order halls 2.0 with at least one special sanctum or hideout for each class on these two continents.

Dynamic and intense weather effects.

Day and night cycle with proper darkness, alternative sounds and music for each zone based on time of day.

Winter Veil village introduced as a pocket dimension.

New BGs, raids, and dungeons.

[nanoneo]

Qwik on twitter: No pirates.

https://x.com/qwik/status/1698517913...WrsOhSSDZQB1vA

[Marlamin]

https://x.com/qwik/status/1698517913...WrsOhSSDZQB1vA

I think we've been over this twice at this point, maybe 3 times.

[Darkarath]

What if they don't remake the old zones from scratch? I think making a level 70-80 version of both continents is possible if they're just repopulating the zones with new assets.

It would not work IMO. It would be phased content, because current Old World is not going anywhere, that is for sure. So Arathi for example would have 3 versions. It would be a buggy mess and what is worst, they would be limiting themselves in every possible way within the constraints of the old world.

The best possible example is Outland and Draenor. Draenor (IMO the best continent that Blizzard has created) would not have been what It is today if it had been done as a new phased continent of Outland.

[huth]

I think we've been over this twice at this point, maybe 3 times.

It's kind of a weird name for a pirate crew, to be honest.

[Woggmer]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

I'm the only person asking for this kind of "revamp"

I'm not asking for a graphical revamp to every zone, I'm not too sure how much the gameplay can be changed from what we've got.

All I'm asking is that we get a re-introduction to the old races and the factions within the Alliance and Horde. No more just Alliance and Horde.... but we get stories going on about the humans, not just as bread crumbs like the heritage armor quests. A return to our roots kinda thing and get an update how much things have changed since not just the Cataclysm, but the Legion, the Fourth War, the Scourge Invasion caused by Sylvanas's meddling with the Helm of Domination...

Having it stuck in Cata times isn't gonna do new players justice, even worse is when they start in BFA or DF and they don't get much of a taste of who to root for or which faction is which.

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It would not work IMO. It would be phased content, because current Old World is not going anywhere, that is for sure. So Arathi for example would have 3 versions. It would be a buggy mess and what is worst, they would be limiting themselves in every possible way within the constraints of the old world.

The best possible example is Outland and Draenor. Draenor (IMO the best continent that Blizzard has created) would not have been what It is today if it had been done as a new phased continent of Outland.

So instead of overlapping the new content on top of the old one, just put it in a completely different server?