The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Azshara, Xal'atath, all the Void elf characters and Ethereal characters? How is that not enough to ground us?

Again, Draenor had an anchor because we had Illidan and Kael'theas and we also had two well-established playable races that came from that planet with loads of lore and prominent characters.

The Ethereal homeworld or us going into some cosmic void location would be more off-putting than Shadowlands.

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My blud, we had anchor "antagonists" in Shadowlands. Anduin and Sylvanas are right there lmaooo

Anduin was kidnapped, so he wasn't an anchor, he was someone we had to save. Sylvanas wasn't from the Shadowlands and she was surrounded by a mystery box for a good portion of the expansion.

[EubenHadd]

So.. here's a wild thought. We still go to Avaloren. But it's not pirates. Instead, it's back to more classic Titan themed stuff, but this time, we wind up helping those dwarves that were resisting the Titans, and we wind up with Odin himself as a raid end boss. This then breaks stuff enough that we wind up opening the gateway for more Void.

[Ersula]

If they just do a graphical refresh with tech/models from post-Cata expansions, add/update a few quests here and there and then expand on existing zones, I don't think there would be much of a reason to stay in the old world in that case. If they do ever do something cataclysmic/as big again it'll be something to consider, but I still think it'd be a bad idea to fragment the game like that;

For clients, keeping around the old world as is would create effectively two copies of the world and the assets that didn't get 'revamped' in it, adding many more gigabytes to the client. The pre-Cataclysm world in 4.0.1 (OldWorld.MPQ for those that remember) was already ~2GB before it was removed post-release, the post-Cataclysm one is probably much larger in size.

Every Expansion adds about 2 gigs to the client. If its really that hard to phase EK & Kalimdor, then they'd just create a new version as a completely separate zone. Baldur's Gate 3 was 150 Gigabites. Computers in 2023 start at one terabite. I don't think the client being too big is a serious concern.

By this time tomorrow, we will either be celebrating or arguing over NEW LORE from 10.1.7. Exciting times!

I was thinking it was weird that the Eredar customization is timegated one week. What's the reason for that? Could it be that something in the quest spoils the premise of 10.2? And they plan on 10.2 to be revealed between the 5th & the 12th? That's consistent with the Vendor arriving a week ago.

I guarantee the Night Elf questline will have something people don't like and it will be the major shitstorm/ragebait for the next few days, at least until 10.2 announcement.

I would include a note from Sylvanas just to enrage people.

"I got bored with my cosmic punishment so I left. Gotta love the honor system, amirite? Love, Sylvanas"

[FossilFree]

If it's pirates, it better have Devil Fruits. One of each type per server, granting permanent new abilities. You lose it upon death, and it goes back into rotation for another person to find. Also, you can't swim anymore if you eat one.

[Chickat]

Xe'ra wasn't in pieces when we found her.

She was just chilling in the Xenedar.

She was missing her Core, but that's because she literally sent it to Azeroth herself.



Meanwhile, Velen calls her dead twice after Illidan destroys her.

Also wasn't she literally disintegrated into dust when she got eye beamed? I doubt she could be put back together.

[Marlamin]

Every Expansion adds about 2 gigs to the client. If its really that hard to phase EK & Kalimdor, then they'd just create a new version as a completely separate zone.

I mean, if you want to split hairs, there is no technical difference between terrain phasing to a changed zone and making a separate new version (although that can be larger than the phased zone), they'd be effectively the same thing when it comes to storage at the end of the day. New expansions are also far larger than just 2GB.

[Chickat]

Provided they are good puzzles, sure. Sometimes Blizzard's choice of puzzles make me wanna choke them.


As for big powerful threats, they need to come back at least eventually but really I think what hurts is Blizzard not being able to balance Serious tone and then having overly Niffen esque tones. 10.1 could of been served better if there was more focus on Deathwing and the Black Dragonflight with little drips of humor/lightheartedness, not make it a semi focal point(Sillyness). Sorry, thats just how I feel.

The ones in Zerith Motis were awful, but I enjoyed the ones from Nazjatar and most other places.

The ones from the Time Rift Event are simple and fun too.

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If 11.0 is elements can we please give the random Chinese guy who predicted every expansion correctly credit?
That way we can stop punching eachother for things like "nobody knows so I'm right"

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Plus I wouldn't even say pirates are beneath us
Our power in every expansion since WoD has canonical been magic items and temporary blessings that fade

Yeah, the player character at this point is like Malfurion/Thrall tier or even slightly below them in power scaling, but without magic items People like Garrosh, Lich King, Azshara, are still way too powerful for us to solo and are good Raid end bosses still.

[Ersula]

Also wasn't she literally disintegrated into dust when she got eye beamed? I doubt she could be put back together.

Nah. She's in about 10 pieces after the cinematic. And that explains why the Lightforged aren't particularly angry about the whole thing.

[Houle]

Nah. She's in about 10 pieces after the cinematic. And that explains why the Lightforged aren't particularly angry about the whole thing.

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

[Revamp Man]

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

Did...did people forget we used pieces of her for the netherlight crucible

[Hitei]

Dragonflight is no more elemental themed than WoD was Legion themed and then we immediately got Legion after WoD. So I completely disagree. Not saying 11.0 is Elemental themed but it could be.

Not sure if joking.

[Luck4]

Not sure if joking.

But it's true, WOD at the beginning was all about the Iron Horde and how savage Draenor was.

We only had Legion presence in the Talador zone and Auchindoun dungeon before 6.2. The whole premise of WOD was: "What if the Orcs hadn't drunk the Mannoroth's blood?"

Meanwhile, Dragonflight has elementalists, shamans, and proto-drakes based on the four elements everywhere. The Incarnates themselves are the embodiment of the four elements as well.

With that said, I'm not against an elemental expansion in 11.0 (especially if it includes a World Revamp ^^) since I believe they'll show it from another perspective, based on the elemental lords/planes, for instance.

[Ersula]

Did...did people forget we used pieces of her for the netherlight crucible

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

The nature of Naaru existence also provides context for Calia. She got resurrected by a fully corrupted Naaru who had been restored to the light and thats the only times that's ever happened. (The Corrupted Naaru we see in BC & Legion are not fully corrupted. Velen clarifies she's fully corrupted because her form is no longer crystaline, she is a complete Void Entity) So in this sense Saa'ra raises people as undead because she herself is an "undead" Naaru: Their version of death is not being broken apart, but to transform fully into a Void creature.

[Auxis]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

The nature of Naaru existence also provides context for Calia. She got resurrected by a fully corrupted Naaru who had been restored to the light and thats the only times that's ever happened. (The Corrupted Naaru we see in BC & Legion are not fully corrupted. Velen clarifies she's fully corrupted because her form is no longer crystaline, she is a complete Void Entity) So in this sense Saa'ra raises people as undead because she herself is an "undead" Naaru: Their version of death is not being broken apart, but to transform fully into a Void creature.

She was just her 'wind chimes' minus her core, wasnt she? Theres a big difference between whole, separate parts; and shattered pieces.

[Black Rider]

Welp, this is unprecedented.

I think it's gonna be a continuation of the Iridikron plot thread i.e. Void stuff and a return of Azshara.

TBH I don't want Void stuff...

[Hitei]

But it's true, WOD at the beginning was all about the Iron Horde and how savage Draenor was.

We only had Legion presence in the Talador zone and Auchindoun dungeon before 6.2. The whole premise of WOD was: "What if the Orcs hadn't drunk the Mannoroth's blood?"

Meanwhile, Dragonflight has elementalists, shamans, and proto-drakes based on the four elements everywhere. The Incarnates themselves are the embodiment of the four elements as well.

I think you might have misread those two posts.

With that said, I'm not against an elemental expansion in 11.0 (especially if it includes a World Revamp ^^) since I believe they'll show it from another perspective, based on the elemental lords/planes, for instance.

Every plane but Abyssal Maw has been thoroughly addressed. Deepholm is already an entire zone explorable from top to bottom. Skywall and the Firelands are both raids, and Skywall and Maw are both dungeons.

There's no "other perspective" to explore here. Like a third of the Primalist forces are elementals. Every Primalist outpost has elementals. Proto-dragons themselves are also literally evolved elementals. This hypothetical expansion is just "what if we had Dragonflight again, with the antagonists but less enemy variety"--except that if 11.0 was a follow-up then the "elemental" forces of that expansion would almost certainly still just be the Primalists doing stuff, so literally nothing would change. Unless your proposal is that every single zone in a revamp be about the elements, a revamp is going to be less of an elemental expansion than DF is, because DF is so hardcore focused around the elements.

Like I said before, DF = WotLK, Elements/Elementals = Undead.

Cata ""had undead"" (Duskwood, Silverpine, Gilneas, WPL/EPL, Tirisfal) but it was never going to be an "undead expansion" when all of Wrath was about and themed around undead.

I have no doubt that a hypothetical revamp would have elementals in it... somewhere. Because elementals have been in most expansions, Kalimdor and EK both have very elemental-heavy locations, and the Primalists are clearly being introduced to act as a more grounded and reasonable antagonist faction replacing the now largely defunct Twilight's Hammer. In an EK revamp, you'd probably see the Primalists as the big enemy force in zones like the Badlands, Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes, maybe even Tanaris, Hyjal or Winterspring. But what 11.0 almost certainly isn't going to be is a second elemental/element themed expansion, or a second expansion about the elements, when DF has already leaned so aggressively into that theme in nearly ever facet.

[Auxis]

Theres also the matter of the pre patch invasions stirring up stuff as ancient as Azeroth herself:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=199211/primeval-essence

Mayhaps there is an 'elemental bedrock barrier' surrounding a world soul and its comprised of this essence?

[Worldshaper]

Theres also the matter of the pre patch invasions stirring up stuff as ancient as Azeroth herself:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=199211/primeval-essence

Mayhaps there is an 'elemental bedrock barrier' surrounding a world soul and its comprised of this essence?

Again, I really think the expansion will boil down to these basic components:

• The Void as the external threat.
• Azeroth and the Elements as the central theme.
• Thrall as the main protagonist and mentor.

[huth]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

Somebody got memory issues. All pieces were still as they would be if she was active, just the motive force was missing. Illidan shattered them.

Also, Saa'ra is still crystalline. It's just a Void infused crystal instead of Light. It's not a corruption anyway; this is part of their natural lifecycle.

[Raetary]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her.

No she wasn't.
She was dismantled, her core had some damage, but all her pieces were fully intact.

As you can see in the cinematic where we put her back together.

Before:



It wasn't until Illidan pulverized her that all what was left of her was pebbles und dust.

After:


She's dead.
She'll likely return considering how death works in this franchise, but she died then and there.