The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

I'm surprised that metrics are telling the game is emptier now than it was at the same time in Shadowlands,

Is it really surprising?

There was a wave of pretty significant games being released in the last few months that people flock to.

People are busy playing BG3, Starfield, etc. while wow has yet to release its next content update.
I'd wager most people are done with 10.1 story at this point and are just waiting for 10.1.7 and 10.2.

[Jaggler]

Is it really surprising?

There was a wave of pretty significant games being released in the last few months that people flock to.

People are busy playing BG3, Starfield, etc. while wow has yet to release its next content update.
I'd wager most people are done with 10.1 story at this point and are just waiting for 10.1.7 and 10.2.

This. We are probably in the most stacked era of gaming since the pandemic hit, i know people in my friendslist are busy with D4, BG3, Starfield etc.

One aspect that seems to be ignored by many, is that in contrast to SL, BfA or Legion you aren't kneecapping yourself if you take a break in DF. Most people probably achieved their goals in the 10.1. patch cycle in regards to how many bosses they killed or which rating they want to push.

[Shadowferal]

Numbers on raider.io and warcraftlogs does support his claim pretty heavily.

I've mentioned before that Blizz wanted to core out the playerbase that will accept anything. So retention rates should be higher...and useless.
The numbers that should mean anything are "new subscribers." And they gave up on that.

[Osmeric]

I've mentioned before that Blizz wanted to core out the playerbase that will accept anything.

I suspect they are repeatedly discovering that these people ultimately won't accept just anything.

[pacotaco]

If someone was happier in SL than in DF, I would be worried for the sanity of such a person. Although I would say that Torghast, just as a solo dungeon to hunt cosmetics, was really fun (I skipped SL until 9.2.5 if I recall correctly, so by then It was pretty easy and relaxing). I would love them to iterate on the idea, this time just as an evergreen secondary fun activity.

I see so many flaws in your logic...

- You're judging the enjoyment of another person of an expansion you skipped more than half of it.
- You want them to bring back Torghast when most of the community despised it because it was mandatory, and almost never played it when they made it optional.


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[Shadowferal]

I suspect they are repeatedly discovering that these people ultimately won't accept just anything.

I concede that "free-to-play" would be a risk.

[Darkarath]

I see so many flaws in your logic...

- You're judging the enjoyment of another person of an expansion you skipped more than half of it.
- You want them to bring back Torghast when most of the community despised it because it was mandatory, and almost never played it when they made it optional.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Perhaps I did not explain myself clearly enough:

- I played SL in 9.0. It was so terrible that I erased my account with an Insane in the Membrane character with more that 30k achievement points. SL being bad was not the only reason of me erasing my account but definitively the biggest factor in my decision.

- I returned in 9.2.5 (with a new account, my current one), and while I still hated SL I enjoyed it a bit when everything was not mandatory and easier, as, for example, Torghast, which in 9.2.5 was not the mandatory grind that it was in 9.0.

- That easy and relaxing 9.2.5 version of Torghast is what I enjoyed and what I believe It would be a nice side evergreen activity.

Hope that my position is clearer now.

[Marlamin]

- That easy and relaxing 9.2.5 version of Torghast is what I enjoyed and what I believe It would be a nice side evergreen activity.

I liked Torghast too, would be cool to get something like it back (although anima powers stuck around I guess).

Speaking of, there was a new mention of evergreen in the context of scaling in game files a bit ago but not sure where I saw that, will have to look for that. Might be something, might be nothing.

[Cheezits]

I'm pretty sure that Blizzard doesn't go too hard on .1 patches because most players (including casuals) just don't have it in them to play almost a full consecutive year of WoW. They go harder on the second patch because there's been enough of a lull for a lot of players to come back around to the game.

That being said: content cadence still better than BFA/SL and I much prefer these patches to 7.1/7.2. Also Year of Siege and most of WoD lol.

I can see the Dream being Argus-tier. Definitely more than a single large zone.

[Darkarath]

I liked Torghast too, would be cool to get something like it back (although anima powers stuck around I guess).

Speaking of, there was a new mention of evergreen in the context of scaling in game files a bit ago but not sure where I saw that, will have to look for that. Might be something, might be nothing.

Yes I think that many players enjoyed the 9.2.5 Torghast, or even, the 10.0 version, when you could (and still can) rush through everything and get some cosmetics. Pretty fun IMO.

Regarding your evergreen mention in relation to scaling... Please investigate for us, although I guess that when we get the 10.2 reveal (hopefully this week) we would get some information about it.

I guess that it could be related to a Timewalking revamp or to a Journal feature, through which we could replay questchains, kind of a New Game + feature. If they do something like that my hope is that they finally go full account-wide mode. Let us buy a toy similar to the maps toy. When used, all quests of a certain continent are done. Same with reputations.

[micwini]

The first version of Torghast (without rating and timer) was by far better than anything that came after. What was hated was the fact that you HAD to do it every week for Soul Ash for legendaries. It would have been hailed as the GOAT if it was an optional side thing for cosmetics, like the mage tower.

[Darkarath]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

10.2 announcement today?

[Dracullus]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

10.2 announcement today?

Most likely he means 10.1.7 spoilers. Or name of campaign (in 10.0.7 it was literally called like 10.1), I don't know if it was encrypted on PTR.

If there is reveal this week, expect Thursday.

[micwini]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

10.2 announcement today?

In 10.0.7, the 10.1 patch name was in the questlog as the header for the campaign and introduced the first chapter. Probably a similar case here.

[Cheezits]

There is another smaller cinematic in the patch, unsure where it will play.

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Any predictions for the Heritage quests? Here's mine:

Forsaken: Calia's child (either girl disguised as a boy or the figurehead controlling the "prince") revealed as the new leader or heir to the Scarlets, gets away to set up next conflict and give Calia much needed suffering. Also Calia does something cool for once

Night Elf: The status of the refugees post-timeskip is confirmed. It will be despised and hated

[Ersula]

Forsaken: Calia's child (either girl disguised as a boy or the figurehead controlling the "prince") revealed as the new leader or heir to the Scarlets, gets away to set up next conflict and give Calia much needed suffering. Also Calia does something cool for once

Night Elf: The status of the refugees post-timeskip is confirmed. It will be despised and hated

It was extremely weird to establish Calia had a child with some random man, then to establish Derek Proudmore as her "one true love." Not to mention she was also married to Daval Prestor. Maybe they did this so Jaina wouldn't be the biggest slut in wow lore anymore.

People suspected her child could have been Taelia or Lilian, but after spending extensive time with them, she should have realized if that was the case. It feels like the developers have completely forgotten this subplot. Scarlet Crusaders claim they have the child with them but this is certainly a lie, or in some cases, their heir to Lordaeron is simply Turalyon. If they use the child to create conflict between the forsaken & humans it would be extremely soap opera-ish, and another example of Danuser relying on bad tropes rather than focusing on the real conflict that already exists. Forsaken fans already hate Calia & this storyline doesn't portray her well. How would this make them like her more? She clearly didn't look very hard for her child considering the years since the fall of Lordaeron. She wasn't frozen in ice or anything; she was just being a nun in the same region the Scarlets are based.

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She was just her 'wind chimes' minus her core, wasnt she? Theres a big difference between whole, separate parts; and shattered pieces

How do you quantify that? Either way they're just a pile of disembodied rocks, that can apparently eject vital organs.

Again, I really think the expansion will boil down to these basic components:

• The Void as the external threat.
• Azeroth and the Elements as the central theme.
• Thrall as the main protagonist and mentor.

That sounds like you've described almost every expansion.

Also, Saa'ra is still crystalline. It's just a Void infused crystal instead of Light. It's not a corruption anyway; this is part of their natural lifecycle.

No. She's not crystalline at all when fully corrupted. Velen even explains the difference between a corrupted Naaru & what Saa'ra has become. Plus otherwise, theres zero reason Calia just turned undead one day.



The larger point being, even if Xe'ra's death is slightly ambiguous, the writers will bring her back if they feel like it.

[Santandame]

Did I just read the above post right in regards to slut shaming? Lmao

[Cheezits]

People suspected her child could have been Taelia or Lilian, but after spending extensive time with them, she should have realized if that was the case. It feels like the developers have completely forgotten this subplot. Scarlet Crusaders claim they have the child with them but this is certainly a lie, or in some cases, their heir to Lordaeron is simply Turalyon. If they use the child to create conflict between the forsaken & humans it would be extremely soap opera-ish, and another example of Danuser relying on bad tropes rather than focusing on the real conflict that already exists. Forsaken fans already hate Calia & this storyline doesn't portray her well. How would this make them like her more? She clearly didn't look very hard for her child considering the years since the fall of Lordaeron. She wasn't frozen in ice or anything; she was just being a nun in the same region the Scarlets are based.

So yeah, it's going to happen lol

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So yeah, it's going to happen lol

I wouldn't call that soap opera but.... everyone is a expert writer now a days on the internet.

[Santandame]

It was extremely weird to establish Calia had a child with some random man, then to establish Derek Proudmore as her "one true love." Not to mention she was also married to Daval Prestor. Maybe they did this so Jaina wouldn't be the biggest slut in wow lore anymore.

Like this is wild.