1. #14781
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    you should read the comments. it's a doomfest.
    That's pretty much just the nature of discourse online. Kind of like how Rings of Power was universally panned online but it was actually the most watched streaming series in the world after Better Call Saul that year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    So, like any other character lul. Shes dead for now, until they want to use her again for something. That basically applies to every character who ever died in this game.
    Not as likely as say, Saurfang. Who's concretely established as dead. But since there's some ambiguity just about the nature of Naaru cognizance, yes.

  2. #14782
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    "We got to get rid of these damn Satyr. They're so corrupted there's HAIR on their LEGS" Meanwhile the Eredar are getting the Alliance red carpet.
    We haven't seen what the Satyrs have been doing since Xavius's death or if they're still even around with the Legion gone.

    I'm willing to believe that they might bring back Tyrus Blackhorn as a loose end to clear up.

    [And before people tell me that there's no way that Blizzard would remember that NPC.. they referenced that one plotline from Azshara back in Cata where Azuregos hiding out in the Spirit World and dating a Spirit Healer in the recent Blue Dragonflight questline. So if they aware of that obscure joke plot, they would probably remember something as obscure as Tyrus Blackhorn.]

  3. #14783
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    you should read the comments. it's a doomfest.
    Players that don't like the "vibe" and "feel" of DF aren't going to like any patch this expansion. A revamp is required to get players like that back on board, there's no patch-sized update or brand-new disconnected island continent that could bring those kinds of people back.

    Also people complaining about FOMO events when it's not true and there are Forbidden Reach/Zaralek/Time Rift groups up at all times. I genuinely hate those complaints.

  4. #14784
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That's pretty much just the nature of discourse online. Kind of like how Rings of Power was universally panned online but it was actually the most watched streaming series in the world after Better Call Saul that year.
    we can't say the same for dragonflight tho. the numbers show a STRONG decline in engagement/players. what prompted me to post that thread here is the kind of feedback the players are giving, which boils down to: no content and lame story. the second part is w/e tbh, but the first part should not be a problem tho. we have a way better patch cadence in df but people feel like there nothing to do.

  5. #14785
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    we can't say the same for dragonflight tho. the numbers show a STRONG decline in engagement/players. what prompted me to post that thread here is the kind of feedback the players are giving, which boils down to: no content and lame story. the second part is w/e tbh, but the first part should not be a problem tho. we have a way better patch cadence in df but people feel like there nothing to do.
    Because people are bored of the WoW combat gameplay loop. There is nothing that can be done about that except introducing new systems for casual players like Housing, or a completely new gamemode like Torghast. Neither of which is really possible in an expansion patch (to my knowledge: only thing that comes close is Mage Tower which is not casual content).

    There are people who are cool with WQ/raiding/M+ for years and there are people who aren't. That's all there is to it.

  6. #14786
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Players that don't like the "vibe" and "feel" of DF aren't going to like any patch this expansion. A revamp is required to get players like that back on board, there's no patch-sized update or brand-new disconnected island continent that could bring those kinds of people back.

    Also people complaining about FOMO events when it's not true and there are Forbidden Reach/Zaralek/Time Rift groups up at all times. I genuinely hate those complaints.
    vibe aside, i kind of agree that dragonflight is lacking in terms of gameplay. there is more casual content, but none of that is "meaningful". the highlight of a patch can't be the usual new zone and the reskinned legion assault. the devs need to step up their game.

  7. #14787
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    vibe aside, i kind of agree that dragonflight is lacking in terms of gameplay. there is more casual content, but none of that is "meaningful". the highlight of a patch can't be the usual new zone and the reskinned legion assault. the devs need to step up their game.
    How do you make casual content in a patch that isn't just mount collection? They aren't going to introduce a completely new system like Housing/Torghast 2.0 in a patch IMO.

    The Dream has some wacky potential for a new system so I will admit that it may happen.

  8. #14788
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Because people are bored of the WoW combat gameplay loop. There is nothing that can be done about that except introducing new systems for casual players like Housing, or a completely new gamemode like Torghast. Neither of which is really possible in an expansion patch (to my knowledge: only thing that comes close is Mage Tower which is not casual content).

    There are people who are cool with WQ/raiding/M+ for years and there are people who aren't. That's all there is to it.
    blizzard didn't expect (should have tho) that removing the grinds without replacing them with anything would cause this kind of backlash. they got baited by the "respect your time" meme and went full ahead with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    How do you make casual content in a patch that isn't just mount collection? They aren't going to introduce a completely new system like Housing/Torghast 2.0 in a patch IMO.

    The Dream has some wacky potential for a new system so I will admit that it may happen.
    like they did in the past. the mage tower wasn't released at the start of legion. they can/should do it.

    Edit: 10.2 has to be BIG or this game will be in serious trouble. the numbers have never been this low especially with the loss of china
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    we can't say the same for dragonflight tho. the numbers show a STRONG decline in engagement/players. what prompted me to post that thread here is the kind of feedback the players are giving, which boils down to: no content and lame story. the second part is w/e tbh, but the first part should not be a problem tho. we have a way better patch cadence in df but people feel like there nothing to do.
    As blizzard them selfs have said every quarter so far DF is beating out Legion-SL on retention, total number might be lesser but the decline has been weaker then any other recent expan.
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  10. #14790
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    As blizzard them selfs have said every quarter so far DF is beating out Legion-SL on retention, total number might be lesser but the decline has been weaker then any other recent expan.
    It'll reach a point when there's no decline...eventually.

  11. #14791
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    As blizzard them selfs have said every quarter so far DF is beating out Legion-SL on retention, total number might be lesser but the decline has been weaker then any other recent expan.
    the latest report only tracks player retention until june. back then there wasn't this much of a drop in players. late july/august have been brutal tho.

  12. #14792
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Well if the new Stormwind plot actually amounts to a new questline, we don't know who will be on the Evil Noble side. I think it will be more colorful than that. Syndicate, Alterac, Turalyon and Shaw, who knows?
    That still sounds like a one-way trip to blandtown. Maybe having us go against the actual powers-that-be in Stormwind would be interesting, but the current trajectory of it just doesn't catch my interest because it seems presently like all the sides with any sense behind them other than a desire for power will be taking the same side, especially given we had Shaw on our side and dealt with a brutish lunatic directly challenging the forces that gave him power trying to stage a coup outright last time this came up.

    Ideally, I'd like to just have this whole evil noble plot dealt with by having Turalyon wipe out the problematic political subfactions to consolidate power and get us going as fast as possible on the track to giving the Alliance an identity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    But the Defias beef stretching out to Cata through a secret daughter (!!) was already pretty flimsy IMO. The Defias still beefing post-BFA would've been paper thin.
    That part's fair, I suppose. Still, it was a flimsy excuse to justify something interesting, while having every single semi-sympathetic member of the Defias suddenly throwing out 20+ in-universe years of terrorism and sunk costs is not a significantly stronger justification for a far less interesting story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It'll reach a point when there's no decline...eventually.
    Yes the heat death of the universe is in fact inevitable.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  14. #14794
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    we can't say the same for dragonflight tho. the numbers show a STRONG decline in engagement/players. what prompted me to post that thread here is the kind of feedback the players are giving, which boils down to: no content and lame story. the second part is w/e tbh, but the first part should not be a problem tho. we have a way better patch cadence in df but people feel like there nothing to do.
    I think it's more the documented problem of, despite all the work improving the experience for new players, WoW is having its worst time retaining new players because the game is the most complicated its ever been. Wheren, Legion was the best at this. I think the unpruning of abilities Legion found unnecessary was part of this. Holinka dropped the unpruning & then pieced out from Blizzard like leaving the room after farting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    the latest report only tracks player retention until june. back then there wasn't this much of a drop in players. late july/august have been brutal tho.
    This quarter tends to be a big release period/a time a lot of people go away so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same trend every year for every expan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    How do you make casual content in a patch that isn't just mount collection? They aren't going to introduce a completely new system like Housing/Torghast 2.0 in a patch IMO.

    The Dream has some wacky potential for a new system so I will admit that it may happen.
    I'd argue it should be just a bit more often then what the Time Rift stuff is and in terms of new "stuff to do" well I don't wanna be a broken record.
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  17. #14797
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Yes the heat death of the universe is in fact inevitable.
    Maybe with some good player housing and the ever elusive meaningful and interesting content it won't be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think it's more the documented problem of, despite all the work improving the experience for new players, WoW is having its worst time retaining new players because the game is the most complicated its ever been. Wheren, Legion was the best at this. I think the unpruning of abilities Legion found unnecessary was part of this. Holinka dropped the unpruning & then pieced out from Blizzard like leaving the room after farting.
    The stats supposedly show the game doing amazing at player retention compared to previous expansions though.

    I would argue the lack of players is an issue that will always be noticeable, and always seem worse as the game inevitably loses players long term and doesn't have a good way of ensuring servers stay lively short of just mashing together more of them.

    And judging player retention based on friends list is really telling. Obviously the player retention there will feel more impactful. They are people you really notice that stop playing. And compared to the average WoW player it's more difficult to replace them.
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  18. #14798
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think it's more the documented problem of, despite all the work improving the experience for new players, WoW is having its worst time retaining new players because the game is the most complicated its ever been. Wheren, Legion was the best at this. I think the unpruning of abilities Legion found unnecessary was part of this. Holinka dropped the unpruning & then pieced out from Blizzard like leaving the room after farting.
    people begged for blizzard to unprune classes. also, the game is also having its worst time in retaining the old playerbase. people are either playing classic or are straight up quitting the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    This quarter tends to be a big release period/a time a lot of people go away so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same trend every year for every expan.
    for sure, especially in summer, but the number of players has never been this low. Damn, even 9.1 during the exodus had more players than now. there is definitely something wrong with the way the game works.

  19. #14799
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    I might be in the nit so vocal minority ^^'



    Legion was a great expansion but the broken shore patch was abysmal and my guild lost a lot of players during this time.

    BfA was a horrific expansion, the farming every patch was just too much, SL excelled at removing the farming and I'm glad they've kept this trend with DF.
    Most issues people had with BFA from 8.2 onwards were self-inflicted.
    I will not reply to posts that are non-constructive or contain flaming and/or trolling.

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    The numbers that should mean anything are "new subscribers." And they gave up on that.

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