The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

I'm sure there'll be a book to purchase that'll explain EVERYTHING.

There will be.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

10.0.7 Forbidden Reach zone was technically already done via the Drac'thyr starting area so most of the assets were made already,(Not all obviously)

(At Palapop)

[Jaggler]

I'm sure there'll be a book to purchase that'll explain EVERYTHING.

There's not really aneed to explain anything if you paid attention to the story so far.

[Sondrelk]

7.1 brought the megadungeon thing for the first time. Night Hold(Really though assets were all there, they just staggered the raid to 7.1. 7.0 Raid was Emerald Nightmare. Also Broken Shore zone was there to before 7.2 happened. Then there's 7.3 which lead to Argus so the .1 at least originally didn't have a new zone at the start.


If DF was ran like Legion all the Emerald Dream assets would be in game just not available just yet. So they aren't necessarily handling it like Legion.


And yeah DF has frequent updates and thats fine but the big updates the major content patches are the ones with the actual hype behind them and the minor updates having some small story updates still isn't gonna hit the excitement when a new major content patch comes.

I think it's more correct to say that if DF was run like Legion then Neltharus would simply have had a basement for 10.1, and the Forbidden Reach or the islands off the coast of Ohn'ahra would have been 10.2.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Status update from everyone's favorite certain Forsaken character!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yUamzm8OAo

Pretending like Sylvanas ever actually cared about her people is just painful to see and obvious awful fanboying by the writers (you know which one).

[Dracullus]

Imo they shouldn't wait with 2024 roadmap to Blizzcon or new year. It's not like existence of 11.0 is surprise to anyone. Raw info that 10.2 is last major patch without full picture simply will cause bad PR.

Lack of 10.2.7 in some files people posted earlier make me wonder if 11.0 isn't set to release earlier than November, so we would have full season 3 -> 10.2.5 with BfA timewalking and story epilogue -> 12 weeks fated -> pre-patch.

[Reive]

holy crap, today was disappointing

[Sondrelk]

Pretending like Sylvanas ever actually cared about her people is just painful to see and obvious awful fanboying by the writers (you know which one).

Sylvanas has been a narrative black hole for years now. Shouldn't be surprised the writers fail again this expansion.

Hard to make a character consistent when she had to go from Satan McHitler to poor abuse victim. Just insulting writing all around, and I don't think anything the writers could do to her would make her less of a liability for the story.

At least they had the decency to not bring her back completely.

[Reive]

Sylvanas has been a narrative black hole for years now. Shouldn't be surprised the writers fail again this expansion.

Hard to make a character consistent when she had to go from Satan McHitler to poor abuse victim. Just insulting writing all around, and I don't think anything the writers could do to her would make her less of a liability for the story.

At least they had the decency to not bring her back completely.

they should have just killed her in shadowlands. her redemption arc has only caused issues

[Revamp Man]

Bolvar is an undead charcoal. Was he just pretending to not know the mother of his child? Even for wow that would be an unbelievable stretch.

Haven't seen eachother for decades and didn't know her real name

Unless you believe that bolvar losing his wife and daughter's mother in an undeas attack and Calia losing her daughter and husband in the same attack are completely unconnected

Oh and having calia be in SL for absolutely no reason

[CasualFilth]

CALLING IT - INB4 Alex and Vyra were (ex-)lovers. * Grabs Popcorn *

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Imo they shouldn't wait with 2024 roadmap to Blizzcon or new year. It's not like existence of 11.0 is surprise to anyone. Raw info that 10.2 is last major patch without full picture simply will cause bad PR.

Lack of 10.2.7 in some files people posted earlier make me wonder if 11.0 isn't set to release earlier than November, so we would have full season 3 -> 10.2.5 with BfA timewalking and story epilogue -> 12 weeks fated -> pre-patch.

Like I said, a later 11.0 is fine. We don't need to rush expansions, nor am I being...dramatic "WAH DF FAILING"

[loras]

"Doctor" = Dr. Schrodinger. Schrodinger's Cat was supposed to be in a state of superposition (i.e. two states that would usually be exclusive at once). The implication was that temporal collapse would lead to multiple timelines happening simultaneously, even the parts that are mutually-exclusive. It didn't have any substantial effect on Azshara ("missing" a fish), but brought over Yrel ("caught" a goat).

I understood that part, i merely thought i recognised it from dr. Who.
They sometimes add stuff like that and reference such themes, so i figured it might have been one of theirs adapted to WoW themes.

If it's fully original then it's real good.

[Raetary]

Haven't seen eachother for decades and didn't know her real name

Even if he didn't knew who she was at first, he would've definitely found out after getting her pregnant, getting Lianne involved and then being shipped to Southshore to keep Terenas from being mad.

[Ersula]

Haven't seen eachother for decades and didn't know her real name

Unless you believe that bolvar losing his wife and daughter's mother in an undead attack and Calia losing her daughter and husband in the same attack are completely unconnected

You don't seem to detect your own contradiction. The baby came before the Fall of Lordaeron so there would have been no reason to hide Calia's identity at that point. Bolvar was a stormwind noble, he would have recognized the princess of Lordaeron. Her skin might be lighter but she doesn't look any different than she did 30 years ago because white women don't age in WoW for some reason. I get that people assumed Calia died in an undead attack but that doesn't explain why she would think Bolvar & Taelia were dead. They weren't in an undead attack. Because they're not the same people as Calia's family.

Pretending like Sylvanas ever actually cared about her people is just painful to see and obvious awful fanboying by the writers (you know which one).

That's how she's characterized in Warcraft 3 & why people were fans of her character in the first place. The book reiterated that. You can have your own interpretation of Warcraft 3 & disregard her internal monologue in the book, but if you're going to do both maybe just say you don't like the character & move on.

[PenguinChan]

Do you think during the Forsaken Heritage Quest she should express regret in establishing the Forsaken nation in the first place? She is the reason they exist at all.

Blizzard's writers didn't even come close to hitting the broadside of a barn that is properly conveying this message then. I can see where you're coming from but there were so many ways to go about it that didn't need or have to involve Sylvanas herself from the Maw lol.

That's how she's characterized in Warcraft 3 & why people were fans of her character in the first place. The book reiterated that. You can have your own interpretation of Warcraft 3 & disregard her internal monologue in the book, but if you're going to do both maybe just say you don't like the character & move on.

Yeah but this isn't Sylvanas from WC3 / Vanilla Wow. This is Sylvanas from after all this time and currently in the Maw. Unless you're implying Forsaken don't remember what she did and needed a reminder from herself.

[Ersula]

Yeah but this isn't Sylvanas from WC3 / Vanilla Wow. This is Sylvanas from after all this time and currently in the Maw. Unless you're implying Forsaken don't remember what she did and needed a reminder from herself.

Do you not understand this dialog was exclusively for the Loyalists? The players who chose to side with Sylvanas after all that? It's not supposed to be an apology.

[PenguinChan]

Do you not understand this dialog was exclusively for the Loyalists? The players who chose to side with Sylvanas after all that? It's not supposed to be an apology.

Don't shift the goal posts, this was during the Forsaken Heritage questline as you said. Meaning a good chunk of players will never see this. And the loyalists also saw her abandon them and the horde altogether. So if this was meant to be about their heritage, then it completely misses the mark. If it's only about the loyalists' loyalty, then it's entirely tone deaf on her actions.

[Kereberus]

Best Character (Sylvanas).

[Ersula]

Don't shift the goal posts, this was during the Forsaken Heritage questline as you said. Meaning a good chunk of players will never see this. And the loyalists also saw her abandon them and the horde altogether. So if this was meant to be about their heritage, then it completely misses the mark. If it's only about the loyalists' loyalty, then it's entirely tone deaf on her actions.

But the loyalists were not abandoned. They got that special scene at Windrunner tower after Sylvanas ran off, detailing what would come next. You seem like you stopped being a loyalist at the Saurfang duel cinematic, in which case the dialog is not for you & would realistically ignore the owl.