The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

Or 10.2.5 is Tyr awakening, 10.2.7 is empowering of the Aspects and Tyr tells us how we need to go to Avaloren yesterday cause the world is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
But first, four months of fated content before 11.0 which will be an island with 4-5 zones that is supposedly a continent. New content, the Dance Studio! Have your entire raid dance like Wednesday cause Blizzard is best at doing memes about a year after they've gone stale.

Yes thats why I think 11.0 well definitely either be light vs void or titans. One or the other hands down.

I'm just leaning for 10.3 since I believe the tyr story needs to be the grand finale

[Nymrohd]

Yes thats why I think 11.0 well definitely either be light vs void or titans. One or the other hands down.

I'm just leaning for 10.3 since I believe the tyr story needs to be the grand finale

Meh, I've given my opinion on 11.0. If we are not getting revamp, I'd rather have 11.0 be what 10.0 tried to be; a new MoP. Explore a new land, meet a new civilization, find how it is inextricably tied to the history of the setting. And if it can be an actual continent with at least two expansion's worth of content (and land area) all the better.

Having the grand finale of the Dragon expansion be Titans instead of Dragons is just an ugly pivot. If there IS a 10.3, it should be Iridikron.

[KayRule]

Dragons are actually beyond cool.

But damn.... Blizzard team B devs executed it beyond bad.

Sad, sad, sad.... sad world building

This has been the only good expansion since Mists of Pandaria, are you fucking stupid?

[Nymrohd]

This has been the only good expansion since Mists of Pandaria, are you fucking stupid?

And that is your opinion. Personally I found this expansion adequate. Haven't had much hype for anything during it. It's just . . . fine. I was consistently hyped throughout Legion and excited to log in and progress a dozen different characters at once. Heck I was probably more excited during BfA, in the "can't look away from a trainwreck" sort of way.

[Well Done Steak]

Meh, I've given my opinion on 11.0. If we are not getting revamp, I'd rather have 11.0 be what 10.0 tried to be; a new MoP. Explore a new land, meet a new civilization, find how it is inextricably tied to the history of the setting. And if it can be an actual continent with at least two expansion's worth of content (and land area) all the better.

Having the grand finale of the Dragon expansion be Titans instead of Dragons is just an ugly pivot. If there IS a 10.3, it should be Iridikron.

Well he's still a contender, just not likely since he's most likely the bridge between DF and 11.0.

Plus 10.3 won't just be titans, it'll be the red dragon flights story as well, Alex is the main character after all.

[Nymrohd]

Well he's still a contender, just not likely since he's most likely the bridge between DF and 11.0.

Plus 10.3 won't just be titans, it'll be the red dragon flights story as well, Alex is the main character after all.

We were told we would know the final villain immediately. And the one the story points at is Iridikron.

Also I'd say for me the more likely bridge is Tyr, not Iridikron. I think if Iridikron has a plot, it should be left to shimmer for at least one expac. Have him cameo in 11.X and only show up in the end to lead to 12.0

[zirr]

We were told we would know the final villain immediately. And the one the story points at is Iridikron.

Pretty sure we weren't told that at all and that was just a poor translation, iirc they actually said we would know who the villains were immediately, which we do. My memory is bad tho so somebody else have to confirm that this was the case.

[Well Done Steak]

We were told we would know the final villain immediately. And the one the story points at is Iridikron.

Kinda hard to see that point when he walked through a void portal and Alex implied his story is done for DF

[Worldshaper]

Dragonflight is an all right expansion.

It's unfair to compare with other expansions, which are often viewed with rose-tinted goggles in hindsight. Literally no expansion was seen as perfect at the time.

But I'd argue, off the top of my head, that...

Mostly Great

- MoP
- Legion
- WotLK

Mixed

- TBC
- DF
- BFA

Mostly Flawed

- WoD
- Cata
- SL

The latter three, I think it's fair to say, did fail in some regard. Even if you liked aspects of them, which I did, they failed to capture the interest of the general playerbase, and mostly fell flat.

TBC, DF, and BfA I list as mixed, because I like all of them a lot. TBC has a lot of special memories for me, like raiding Karazahan and SSC, and seeing all the sights for the first time. Nagrand was such a wonderful place back then. But I realise it comes with flaws, given what an early expansion it was.

DF on the other hand is a modern expansion, and I think it has many of the right ingredients for greatness. Fast pacing of content, takes place on Azeroth, and deals with familiar themes. But the soundtrack is of uneven quality, the zones don't really feel that alive sadly, and the story moves as a snail's pace. It also lacks extra systems to engage with. Also way, way too many dragons. We need more variety.

BfA had too much Old God aesthetic by the end for my liking, and obviously some of its systems fell flat. Especially after having given up our artifact weapons so recently. But the zones were immaculate imo, as was the soundtrack. Lots of great world content, even if Island Expeditions and Warfronts lacked longevity.

MoP, Legion, and WotLK, though, are the ones I view as iconic. Stunning zones that feel amazing, soundtracks that pull you into the world of Azeroth, good content, interesting stories, and much more. I just love em all!

[Chickat]

And down goes 10.1.5 PTR, if no issues pop up they're probably on schedule for it going back up with 10.2 this week, hopefully as soon as right after the reveal on Thursday.

Do we think they will reveal on Thursday?

[Luck4]

Dragons are actually beyond cool.

But damn.... Blizzard team B devs executed it beyond bad.

Sad, sad, sad.... sad world building

I don't think Blizzard executed Dragonflight poorly, especially gameplay-wise. It's the lack of playable races/factions in the main plot that knocks me off.

I still don't understand why, all of a sudden, both the playable races and the factions were excluded from the main plot. Even Khadgar completely vanished after the Vault of the Incarnates.

What happened? This is not Warcraft anymore?

[Scyth]

I also find it odd we are yet to see Ysera at all. Surely she has to be involved this patch..

[Nymrohd]

I also find it odd we are yet to see Ysera at all. Surely she has to be involved this patch..

Why? She will be involved in 10.2 for sure, she doesn't need to be here. And the Greens got some presence with Gerithos. Him, Merithra and Ysera are a decent cast though I wish they used Itharius who is the green we have the oldest relation to.
What IS needed is for a red dragon other than Alexstrasza to be important to the plot but that doesn't seem to be a priority.

[Sneakyphantasm]

these r fun ideas

[Samin]

The Tyranoth ship keeps on sailing!

[Floot]

I'm someone who tends to play WoW almost daily, since forever...

But in Dragonflight it almost feels like there is an overload of "cosmetic" content.

Trying to collect every possible thing and achievement for the Time Rifts felt extremely time-consuming for me and almost draining.

It's a first-world problem though.

Other than that the only other flaw that still remains for me is that mythic raiding difficulty is too hard. Too hard to get into if you for whatever reason might only have a 75% raid-attendance. I'm saying this as someone with two digit CE kills on their account, but who has more real life responsibilities today.

[Nymrohd]

The Tyranoth ship keeps on sailing!

The what now?
Are people shipping Tyr and Vyranoth?
Every day we stray further from the Light. Y'all need Yrel.

[Sondrelk]

I'm someone who tends to play WoW almost daily, since forever...

But in Dragonflight it almost feels like there is an overload of "cosmetic" content.

Trying to collect every possible thing and achievement for the Time Rifts felt extremely time-consuming for me and almost draining.

It's a first-world problem though.

Other than that the only other flaw that still remains for me is that mythic raiding difficulty is too hard. Too hard to get into if you for whatever reason might only have a 75% raid-attendance. I'm saying this as someone with two digit CE kills on their account, but who has more real life responsibilities today.

I think it's more of a failure in specific forms of farming. Time Rifts were especially bad since the most efficient way of farming seemed to be just waiting for the ending, rather than actually engaging with the content.

[Zaganite]

Also, Vyranoths turn feels a bit sudden. 2 Cinematics and one argument with Fyrakk, and shes fully ready to work with her archenemy and captor of thousands of years to backstab her former "brother". That plot couldve really used some more time for that. IF they dont reveal that its actually a setup by her and Fyrakk for some reason, but thats unlikely.

It really isnt that sudden. She made it clear her goal is to rid the world of Titan influence and originally opposed how the Titans forced their change on dragon eggs. Shes now watching Fyrakk do the same to others. She has always been opposed to this so its now going against her ideals. Its the enemy of my enemy trope. Shes not aligned with the order dragons but at the same time doesnt want to force anyone to do something they dont want to do

I mean I'm seeing people say Fyrakk wants to corrupt it for more power, but by burning or corrupting that tree, how would that even empower him? .

Probably the same way the shadowflame empowered him? He wants to corrupt the power of the dream and IMO sever the role and link it has with Azeroth which would also disrupt the life and death cycle which also means affecting Ardenweald. 10.2 will more then likely elaborate on what would happen if he manages to achieve his goal

[Samin]

The what now?
Are people shipping Tyr and Vyranoth?
Every day we stray further from the Light. Y'all need Yrel.

People? I don't know.

Me? Definitely. I just think it would be neat.

I can see them both disillusioned with their original purpose/drive but not ready to give it up but look for a way to do what they think is right (which might pitch them against their former allies/superiors) and bonding over that, obviously after initial animosity.