The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

I don't think we'll get a full sweep of druid races, but 1-2 new ones seems reasonable for a major patch. Druids unfortunately bring a lot of design time baggage due to all the forms.

Boss list seems pretty in line with what I'd expect, though I like the idea of an Ardenweald/death-themed boss sneaking in there - they might even go with a Drust incursion. There will 100% be some sort of shadowflame corrupted being - an Ancient seems like a likely candidate, or could go a different direction and infuse a satyr. If the void theme starts to take over later into the raid, a spicy faceless general wouldn't be surprising. Re: your green dragon point - I think if they ever play around with another Valithria-style healer fight, it will be here.

Igira is still around, plus there is whatever weapon the djaradin claim to be constructing in the suffusion camps. I like to think a giant ballista would be pretty in character for them as habitual dragonslayers. Unfortunately this would probably mean another Hellfire Assault type boss. Sorry for putting that thought out there.

Decatriarch Wratheye from Brackenhide was weirdly left alive, and it would make sense for her to make a return and try to spread decay through the new world tree and/or Dream. Not as a Fyrakk ally or anything, just opportunistic and would serve as a bit of a thematic break from the fire and brimstone.

On Fyrakk, either he'll be split into two fights or his fight will have him dynamically transition into/out of his humanoid model. It's just too good not to use compared to yet another protodrake with annoying wings that get in the way of mechanics.

Re: Druids, I think they'll work around this problem by simply introducing a set of forms for all races, based on the Dream. It wouldn't make much sense to try and make Goblin Druid forms, Mechagnome Druid forms, etc.

[Sondrelk]

If what they're doing with Paladins is any indication. Who wants to bet they just add one set of generic druid forms everyone has access too, customizable in the barbershop. Say, the Nelf druid forms extend to all elves. The Tauren druid forms extend to all shamanistic races. The Kul Tiran druid forms extend to the human offshoots, etc. Maybe they'll make a cyborg set of druid forms for Gnomes & Goblins.

Depends on how the devs want to approach it. If they want to give everyone druids quickly then they will do what you said, with maybe more forms coming over time.
If what they want is to really show off how exciting it is for druids to be available then they will take their time and only give everyone druids once they have the basic forms for each one.

Hard to say which one is more likely. Do they want druids ro be exciting because it's available now, or do they want druids to be exciting because of all the new stuff?

[Ersula]

Re: Druids, I think they'll work around this problem by simply introducing a set of forms for all races, based on the Dream. It wouldn't make much sense to try and make Goblin Druid forms, Mechagnome Druid forms, etc.

Actually, Dream forms would be cool but who wants to bet they limit it to three new sets? Mecha, High Elf & Alien Druid Forms are the only new ones they make? They could go generic, and they should be giving us more form options since adding the customization feature, but I think this is better. A Mechagnome turning into a regular bear wouldn't feel right.

Elune Druid Forms: Night Elves, Nightborne
Darkspear Druid Forms: Trolls
Zandalari Druid Forms: Zandalari Trolls
Drust Druid Forms: Kul Tirans, Humans, Forsaken
Earthwalker & Spiritwalker Druid Forms: Tauren, Highmountain Tauren, Orc, Mag'har Orc (interchangable, but orcs get version without horns)
High Elf Druid Forms: Blood Elf, Void Elf
Mecha Druid Forms: Gnomes, Goblins, Mechagnomes
Argus Druid Forms: Draenei & Lightforged Draenei

[Cheezits]

I am PRAYING that DF doesn't end with Shamans, Druids, and Paladins for all because it will just mean the new races get generic druid forms, totems and chargers for everyone with minimal lore.

Do people actually want new races for these classes if they don't get race-accurate models for their special attributes? Where everyone looks the same and has the same crappy lore as Tyrs Guard?

[Reive]

I am PRAYING that DF doesn't end with Shamans, Druids, and Paladins for all because it will just mean the new races get generic druid forms, totems and chargers for everyone with minimal lore.

Do people actually want new races for these classes if they don't get race-accurate models for their special attributes? Where everyone looks the same and has the same crappy lore as Tyrs Guard?

i didn't even want cross faction tbh. the more they "open up" the game, the more it loses its personality.

[Santandame]

I am PRAYING that DF doesn't end with Shamans, Druids, and Paladins for all because it will just mean the new races get generic druid forms, totems and chargers for everyone with minimal lore.

Do people actually want new races for these classes if they don't get race-accurate models for their special attributes? Where everyone looks the same and has the same crappy lore as Tyrs Guard?

Totally agree. What’s the point in Druids for all races if we’re just going to get generic forms? I don’t understand why anyone would want that as opposed to just waiting longer for the alternative.

Most of the desire for more races for Druids came down to the different forms for each races too… why forsake that?

- Brown bears and lions for Humans
- Baby forms for Gnomes
- Boars and wolves for Orcs
- Decayed animals for Undead
- Mech forms for Mechagnomes
- Elekk and panthera for Draenei

Surely it would be better to just wait?

[Ersula]

Do people actually want new races for these classes if they don't get race-accurate models for their special attributes? Where everyone looks the same and has the same crappy lore as Tyrs Guard?

It would be nice but establishing a race-specific order for every single race would take an eternity. But a new/ancient non-denominational paladin order that is actively recruiting works too. They need to give it its own vibe & aesthetic though. Get Travard out of that Silver Hand tabard already. What developer in their right mind put a Zandalari Troll into an Alliance Order tabard? Don't say "it was invented for the neutral paladin order in Legion." It's still a silver fist: That's the Stormwind Church logo.

They should hurry up & implement those race-specific transmog items and add more of them. That would also help people establish their racial identity if that's what they want.

[Cheezits]

Get Travard out of that Silver Hand tabard already. What developer in their right mind put a Zandalari Troll into an Alliance Order tabard? Don't say "it was invented for the neutral paladin order in Legion." It's still a silver fist: That's the Stormwind Church logo.

They already did, there's a golden variation with no blue to represent Tyr.

One of the reasons I'm praying this Tyrs Guard is a red herring and that Tyr is bad/not as good as they are hyping him to be is so it doesn't become bait for all new paladins.

[Reive]

I think everyone is taking Metzen's return too literal. He's may do a lil more than advise in creative stuff, but he's definitely not returning as the Blizzard powerhouse he once was.

idk if he's only advising for post dragonflight content, but since his return the story has actually gotten worse. he probably doesn't have much impact on writing decisions

[user1224357]

i have been hearing some things

[Santandame]

i have been hearing some things

Hopefully not voices in your head.

[Reive]

i have been hearing some things

congratz, you're not deaf

[Ersula]

They already did, there's a golden variation with no blue to represent Tyr.

One of the reasons I'm praying this Tyrs Guard is a red herring and that Tyr is bad/not as good as they are hyping him to be is so it doesn't become bait for all new paladins.

That's actually the thing that bothers me. Tyr's weapon was "the silver hand" but it wasn't literally a hand. The Human Paladin order chose that symbol based on the name of the weapon. It's deeply steeped in the Alliance's culture. Nothing about Tyr focused on hand iconography. Not just that, but it's also only a Hand because the Dead God Tir from Dungeons & Dragons' symbol was a hand. Like Selune/Elune, they just cribbed that.

I guess I can get past that by rationalizing that Alonsus Foal originally chose that symbol, and he's Forsaken now.

[Revamp Man]

Do you? Either way the improbability of the situation (which is huge) is irrelevant. Bolvar would have known if Calia was the mother of his daughter. If the developers intended it, they could have established if Taelia or Lilian was Calia's daughter at a point in the story that made sense, but they didn't. At this point it would not make sense.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence
Especially when the devs can put it in any time

If you want to deny the hints we've been given because "it doesn't make sense to reveal it now" then that's fine but to say things like "they can't be because their families were in completely different places" then admitting you don't know where they were is like saying "no apples are orange even though I haven't seen an apple in my life"

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

i have been hearing some things

Are these disembodied voices with us in this room?

[Reive]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

[Kiivar86]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

So like usual then?

We cycle back and forth often and fast enough it doesn't phase me at this point.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So like usual then?

We cycle back and forth often and fast enough it doesn't phase me at this point.

To be fair its a smaller patch so I'm not that annoyed but... maybe I'm too reasonable for MMO-Champion >.>

[Ersula]

If you want to deny the hints we've been given because "it doesn't make sense to reveal it now" then that's fine but to say things like "they can't be because their families were in completely different places" then admitting you don't know where they were is like saying "no apples are orange even though I haven't seen an apple in my life"

Hints that make no sense are not hints. There are more "hints" that disprove your theory than "hints" that back it up & you're just ignoring those. Calia/Bolvar knowing Lilian & Taelia, details about their life, their own personal history & not putting it together that they were romantically linked would make everyone involved seem like braindead morons, including the writers and audience.

How incredibly stupid it would be to have Bolvar, at this point, say "Taelia, I know the entire shadowlands storyline Calia & us were involved in was about berating me about lying to you your whole life? And how that was bad? Well, She & I have been lying to you about even more things & she's just a huge hypocrite and there's no reason I waited to tell you this"

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

There is no reason to say "its over" before the developers come clean with either their words or a roadmap.

Again, I think a lot of people just played into their anxieties about the bad ending for this expansion occurring. It has not yet been confirmed beyond superficial lines that can be deciphered as just preemptively rather than a fixed development schedule.

If it was so important we would've already doomed over it back in January but no one decided to doompost about it back then.