The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KayRule]

It's very clearly a Stoneborn Venthyr, I don't know why people are so adamant to say otherwise.

[Hyde]

I imagine with Ion stating they've learnt from Cata's mistake of removing the older world without a way to re-access. They'd feel free to to go of the rails with it and really change things up.

it could mean we can still play cata zones in a cata server. Classic server is a thing so Cata server could be a thing in the future, too.

[Luck4]

It's very clearly a Stoneborn Venthyr, I don't know why people are so adamant to say otherwise.

The teeth orientation doesn't match:

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Perhaps this is not for WoW, after all, but could still be meant for Blizzcon:

"Blizzard Confirms Annual Diablo 4 Expansions"

https://wccftech.com/annual-diablo-4-expansions/

That feels very plausible, if the image is real. I'm personally still a little suspicious of the image itself, but that would definitely make more sense.

[Nibelheimy]

I just watched a wowcurious video on a quick fly through of the new zone. Interestingly at one point he flies over a massive wind elemental sharing thunderaans model which is just stood in the zone.. I wonder if Neptulon and Therazane are also present.

[Well Done Steak]

Hey I just thought of something....

So let's just say 10.2 is the final major patch, since Fyrakk does drop an AOTC mount.

But as many have said, this doesn't feel like the end and blizz said there's more story to tell...

So there's 9 bosses here...

Let's look at the previous 3 final raids...

SotFO had 11 bosses

NtWC had 12

AtBT had 11

Final raids tend to have more than 10 bosses at least.

So here's what I'm guessing, we're going to get an extra one or two boss raid in 2.5 or 2.7 that will bridge DF with 11.0 similar to ruby sanctum.

Prob as the culmination of tyrs story and the aspects regaining their power.

[Nymrohd]

Hey I just thought of something....

So let's just say 10.2 is the final major patch, since Fyrakk does drop an AOTC mount.

But as many have said, this doesn't feel like the end and blizz said there's more story to tell...

So there's 9 bosses here...

Let's look at the previous 3 final raids...

SotFO had 11 bosses

NtWC had 12

AtBT had 11

Final raids tend to have more than 10 bosses at least.

So here's what I'm guessing, we're going to get an extra one or two boss raid in 2.5 or 2.7 that will bridge DF with 11.0 similar to ruby sanctum.

Prob as the culmination of tyrs story and the aspects regaining their power.

Or. . . Blizzard is just giving less emphasis to raids going forward.

[username993720]

All of which are minor enough to be normal variation within a species. The WC3 grunt is the only one outside that. But it is just as off when compared to older concepts, not just the newer ones. It looks like it was made by somebody who never bothered to check what WC Orcs actually look like.

Maybe it'a a new design for fel corrupted Orcs (notice the red eyes). Or, affected by another magic (the hard skin makes me think of Botani bark, for some reason).

[Fahrad Wagner]

My children… any last doubt I had about a World Revamp… is gone.
- Ion’s approval
- All the juicy datamined new models for vehicles, sets and tabards
- Gradual revamp of models of all old creatures
- Bits of lore dropped left and right for future old world stories

The planets are aligned and it’s all coming together! 11.0 will be our World Revamp expansion.

[Well Done Steak]

Or. . . Blizzard is just giving less emphasis to raids going forward.

And instead emphasize what? Rehashed dungeons for m+? No way...

Either 10.3 is real or we need an extra small raid and 11.0 to release in aug

[Mecheon]

The planets are aligned and it’s all coming together! 11.0 will be our World Revamp expansion.

Ain't confirmed until it comes out. Don't forget how many 'confirmed's we had about past expansions. Or if you like other leaks, the Grinch Leak over in Smash Bros

And, well, the Cata stuff is relevant because there are absolutely those out there line me who don't care about the world revamp because we remember Cata. The new stuff is what we need and care about.

[Alanar]

Kaelthas armor
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...50299618869652

Thank god it has a red/green orb version. It would be such a slap if this isnt available for players.

[Shadowferal]

Ain't confirmed until it comes out. Don't forget how many 'confirmed's we had about past expansions. Or if you like other leaks, the Grinch Leak over in Smash Bros And, well, the Cata stuff is relevant because there are absolutely those out there line me who don't care about the world revamp because we remember Cata. The new stuff is what we need and care about.

Yea...all the lack of resolution to various storylines needs to be forgotten because it's only "now" that matters...until it isn't "now."

[Mecheon]

Yea...all the lack of resolution to various storylines needs to be forgotten because it's only "now" that matters...until it isn't "now."

Are there any big storylines that need go to back to the old world at this point outside of "Where are we going to stick the NElf tree"? Or is this about how Cata handled its resolution because, Cata didn't handle it well. Its heavy Vanilla focused 'hey remember this?' completely falls flat for anyone who didn't play in Vanilla, which is a substantial number of people. I've got a friend who started in Cata and when stuff comes up, I frequently tell her "Yup, that was a thing in Vanilla" in respect of quests and the like.

I can get through Durotar and Elwynn blind at this point. A new coat of paint on zones I finished exploring nearly 20 years ago isn't going to convince me to slap down $60 dollaridoos on "All those old zones, but with a new hat!", especially when I can just, y'know. Visit those zones already. And have been able to for nearly 20 years. I don't even need an expansion to go out to Eastern Kingdoms and if an expansion is trying to sell me on "Can go to Eastern Kingdoms" then I gotta wonder '.... I can do that. Why?'

An expansion needs to expand the game, not repaint existing stuff. There needs to be something new. You already see the M+ people slathering at the bit that we haven't had any new dungeons since the Infinite one, that's going to be me if the new content is just "Yup, you've already been here and sorted out its problems back in Vanilla and Cata, but now you've gotta go back as the wheel of villains spun again"

[ImTheMizAwesome]

An expansion needs to expand the game, not repaint existing stuff. There needs to be something new. You already see the M+ people slathering at the bit that we haven't had any new dungeons since the Infinite one, that's going to be me if the new content is just "Yup, you've already been here and sorted out its problems back in Vanilla and Cata, but now you've gotta go back as the wheel of villains spun again"

Game can be expanded in many ways and revamp is one of them, because IT IS a new content - i doubt they will just do a fresh coat of paint, they will actually have new story and all the content style we get with the usual patches.

It's finally time for some more mainland azeroth races stories, if your idea of "expanding" the game is going to yet another new island and forgetting about everything else then i find your idea very boring at this point.

Cataclysm released 13 years ago, get over it already, another thing is that they can do better this time.

[Sondrelk]

Are there any big storylines that need go to back to the old world at this point outside of "Where are we going to stick the NElf tree"? Or is this about how Cata handled its resolution because, Cata didn't handle it well. Its heavy Vanilla focused 'hey remember this?' completely falls flat for anyone who didn't play in Vanilla, which is a substantial number of people. I've got a friend who started in Cata and when stuff comes up, I frequently tell her "Yup, that was a thing in Vanilla" in respect of quests and the like.

I can get through Durotar and Elwynn blind at this point. A new coat of paint on zones I finished exploring nearly 20 years ago isn't going to convince me to slap down $60 dollaridoos on "All those old zones, but with a new hat!", especially when I can just, y'know. Visit those zones already. And have been able to for nearly 20 years. I don't even need an expansion to go out to Eastern Kingdoms and if an expansion is trying to sell me on "Can go to Eastern Kingdoms" then I gotta wonder '.... I can do that. Why?'

An expansion needs to expand the game, not repaint existing stuff. There needs to be something new. You already see the M+ people slathering at the bit that we haven't had any new dungeons since the Infinite one, that's going to be me if the new content is just "Yup, you've already been here and sorted out its problems back in Vanilla and Cata, but now you've gotta go back as the wheel of villains spun again"

Because there is a marked difference between going to a place, and having a reason to go to a place.
I can go to Feralas, but there isn't any reason to, and there isn't any gameplay challenge there. Resources I can gather are mostly pointless, and the lore I can learn is outdated.

A revamp makes it so that you can reexplore areas. They won't be markedly different necessarily, but they will provide the gameplay that makes going somewhere rewarding. New quests which can present zones in a way you have not seen them, or references to events that has not taken place yet in the version of the zone you are able to see.
Areas can make you use of storytelling techniques that were not available to the developers back in Cata. The Defias Dreadnought could be seen moving for instance.

Areas can also change drastically, changing the story of the zone. Eastern Plaguelands could be further cleansed, and stories could be told where humans want to resettle Stratholme. Or Botani could have taken residence in Dire Maul, filling it with the kind of imagery we saw in Gorgrond. Maybe there is a giant crashed Legion ship somewhere that bandits are pillaging.

If what you want is something completely new, then no, a world revamp might not be for you. But then again, you rarely see a completely new idea for a zone. The zones in the Shadowlands were as different as they come, and even then Maldraxxus was just more mushrooms like what we got in the Plaguelands, and Ardenweald is just a blue tinged variant of the Emerald Dream landscape we had already seen in Val'sharah.

In short, while having something completely new offers more stuff to explore, it isn't new for so long that you don't eventually feel it's been played out and familiar a few months in. A world revamp will reach this point slightly faster, but will in comparison have a larger area to play with, and be able to coast on nostalgia, which is not something you necessarily get from a zone that relies on the shiny new toy feeling.

[Nymrohd]

Are there any big storylines that need go to back to the old world at this point outside of "Where are we going to stick the NElf tree"?

Blizzard has directly mentioned Gilneas. Beyond that, how much time do you have? Let's start geographicall from Quel'thalas and then go clockwise?
How are efforts to contain the Dead Scar and reclaim lost lands in Silvermoon?
What is the state of the Amani after Zul'jin died, Drakara died and the Revantusk conquered Jintha'alor
How are Argent Dawn efforts to cleanse Stratholme and the rest of the Eastweald going?
What is the state of Strom?
Did Forsaken maintain their presence in Alterac City? Have they been building in Andorhal?
Depending on the state of Strom and given that Dark Iron forces are no longer opposed to the other clans, what is the state of Khaz Modan infrastracture; has the Loch Modan dam and the Thandol Span been rebuild?
What happened to the Wildhammer clans of Twilight Highlands? Have they remained there or have they been displaced?
What will happen with the Ironforge Crown; when will Moira's son take over? What about the Cult of Ragnaros?
What is the state of Redridge after the Scourge Invasion during Shadowlands?
Has Darkshire been repopulated?
What is the state of Westfall after the events of the Human Heritage questline?
Is anyone watching the Dark Portal after Netherguard Keep was destroyed?
What is the state of Zul'gurub?
Has Gadzetan actually expanded?
Have the Wastewalker tribes build settlements now that they have made peace with the Tol'vir?
What sword?
Had Gazlowe been replaced as the leader of Ratchet? Does it remain neutral/Steamwheedle-aligned?
What happened to Goblin Kottick?
How have the Botani who crossed the Time Rift affected the Barrens?
Can the orcs develop agriculture so they can actually be self-sufficient?
Did the trolls build a proper settlement in the Echo Isles by now?
Where are the Night Elf refugee?

[Lady Atia]

Blizzard has directly mentioned Gilneas. Beyond that, how much time do you have? Let's start geographicall from Quel'thalas and then go clockwise?
How are efforts to contain the Dead Scar and reclaim lost lands in Silvermoon?
What is the state of the Amani after Zul'jin died, Drakara died and the Revantusk conquered Jintha'alor
How are Argent Dawn efforts to cleanse Stratholme and the rest of the Eastweald going?
What is the state of Strom?
Did Forsaken maintain their presence in Alterac City? Have they been building in Andorhal?
Depending on the state of Strom and given that Dark Iron forces are no longer opposed to the other clans, what is the state of Khaz Modan infrastracture; has the Loch Modan dam and the Thandol Span been rebuild?
What happened to the Wildhammer clans of Twilight Highlands? Have they remained there or have they been displaced?
What will happen with the Ironforge Crown; when will Moira's son take over? What about the Cult of Ragnaros?
What is the state of Redridge after the Scourge Invasion during Shadowlands?
Has Darkshire been repopulated?
What is the state of Westfall after the events of the Human Heritage questline?
Is anyone watching the Dark Portal after Netherguard Keep was destroyed?
What is the state of Zul'gurub?
Has Gadzetan actually expanded?
Have the Wastewalker tribes build settlements now that they have made peace with the Tol'vir?
What sword?
Had Gazlowe been replaced as the leader of Ratchet? Does it remain neutral/Steamwheedle-aligned?
What happened to Goblin Kottick?
How have the Botani who crossed the Time Rift affected the Barrens?
Can the orcs develop agriculture so they can actually be self-sufficient?
Did the trolls build a proper settlement in the Echo Isles by now?
Where are the Night Elf refugee?

I'm quite sure Goblin Kotick died on the way to his yacht.

[Lahis]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1699914573933928487

New hair colors for blood elves. Green made me think in druids

That certainly was worth highlighting in the roadmap.

[Shadowferal]

Are there any big storylines that need go to back to the old world at this point outside of "Where are we going to stick the NElf tree"? Or is this about how Cata handled its resolution because, Cata didn't handle it well. Its heavy Vanilla focused 'hey remember this?' completely falls flat for anyone who didn't play in Vanilla, which is a substantial number of people. I've got a friend who started in Cata and when stuff comes up, I frequently tell her "Yup, that was a thing in Vanilla" in respect of quests and the like.

You should spend more time in the lore forum. These posts sum up the problem well;

Basically what is happening with all the plots in general. Only in BFA this mistake that blizzard makes was highlighted. From "we are going to do A even if it doesn't look good now because it will be useful when we do B in the future" but they never do B. So A remains a blot on the lore.

It's like they "pay for something that never arrives". And the debt they have already accumulated is so great that they cannot meet it in any way.

They cashed in checks on the backs of the Forsaken and Night Elves. The main difference is that the setup of Shadowlands required that Sylvanas, the character, be given a conclusion and that the Forsaken are a race the writers don't care about so they're fine with compromising so long as they stay in their cul de sac and never appear. Calia was massively pushed in BFA, but Danuser didn't have the same interest in her as Alex did. The Night Elves meanwhile are a massively more prominent race, so when their mandatory tree content is added, it has to inevitably deal with the tree, but it can't, because world peace is mandated so any rational follow-up is banned, so they've spun their wheels now for soon to be six years.

The lore has a debt of plots that started and didn't finish and now they are to the point that they can't start new plots because many people keep asking about the old plots. (That's how I see it.)