The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I feel like there's still plot threads in the Dragon Isles that I want more info on. Maybe I missed things.

Did we figure out the source of Decay magic that the gnolls were using?
What was up with that blue dragonflight tower/structure that Raszageth wanted in the Azure Span?

No and no. Considering Vakthros is covered in ice (connection to Vyranoth?) and we still haven't had enough of the Blues/Khadgar I think that will definitely be a last patch kind of thing (though not a 10.3 patch)

[Ersula]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

As many of us thought! I think it's good news, can't wait to see more races being able to be paladins druids and shamans!

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

It may lead to something down the road, BUT I don't think it will be the reason for "shamans for everyone" because it inherently means your player character is tied to war criminal Primalists and anti-Titan stuff. Can you imagine a new player clicking Night Elf Shaman because it looks cool and then having some weird intro with Vyranoth?

Even if the plot goes anti-Titan, I don't think they would railroad your player character into having those connections. Shamans aren't Death Knights. They want regular classes to be free of baked-in lore.

[Dracullus]

As many of us thought! I think it's good news, can't wait to see more races being able to be paladins druids and shamans!

Eh, that require lot of new models and will piss many people (like everything..), but it's not that hard to implement. Now watch Blizzard trying to do DH for everyone, that should be entertaining... xD

Btw, Evoker is easy too, but imo they should do it differently - every week give us option to change visage to ANY playable race.

[Nightmare Queen]

No Bwonsamdi yet?

[Raetary]

I'm saying Elune may be the one who grants Aspects power, not the Titans. .

It would have to have been both.
Either by working in unison or one took advantage over the other.

The Pantheon granted them their charges personally, can't take them out of the equation.

[Ersula]

It may lead to something down the road, BUT I don't think it will be the reason for "shamans for everyone" because it inherently means your player character is tied to war criminal Primalists and anti-Titan stuff. Can you imagine a new player clicking Night Elf Shaman because it looks cool and then having some weird intro with Vyranoth?

The sooner you all realize everyone in war craft is a war criminal the better. Especially with how loosely everyone defines that term. What did the Primalists do again? Free some dragons that were in forever jail because the Titans were scared of them?

[Cheezits]

It would have to have been both.
Either by working in unison or one took advantage over the other.

The Pantheon granted them their charges personally, can't take them out of the equation.

Then how did Kalec become Aspect? The Pantheon were captured by Sargeras at that point, or hiding like Eonar.

[Ersula]

Eh, that require lot of new models and will piss many people (like everything..), but it's not that hard to implement. Now watch Blizzard trying to do DH for everyone, that should be entertaining... xD

They explicitly said expanding the "non-hero" classes to everybody. I think at most Demon Hunters might get Void Elves & Nightborne.

As for models, Shaman have a ton of potential totem customization. I'd love Kyrian & Venthyr totems. (Zyphir totems, those bells, Anima cages) and we're already getting a ton of Druid form customization already in 10.2

Then how did Kalec become Aspect? The Pantheon were captured by Sargeras at that point, or hiding like Eonar.

Perhaps while they still had their full powers (before Dragonsoul) either naturally or with the help of the other aspects, an Aspect's Aspectness transferred to their heir at the time of death. No divine intervention required.

We've always been in this place where the exact powers & responsibilities of the Dragon Aspects are never concretely explained to the players, especially before & after empowering the Dragon Soul.

[Fahrad Wagner]

If anything DH deserve to get orcs and draenei first!

[Xilurm]

Dream is connected to Ardenweald. Maldraxxus people leave all the time through portals and keystones (Kel, Aggra)

Less of a "they can't" and more of a "they don't because game"

Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939

Wait... is Vyranoth going to be an Aspect too?

[Cheezits]

Wait... is Vyranoth going to be an Aspect too?

She picked the right side, so probably.

[Raetary]

Then how did Kalec become Aspect? The Pantheon were captured by Sargeras at that point, or hiding like Eonar.

He became Aspect at the Nexus, after giving a speech that can be essentially called a vow to protect magic and then got voted into that position by the blues.
After which the light of the embrace empowered him.

He essentially picked up the titans charge, rather than being given it.
And the moons just did the rest.

[Ersula]

I wonder what Eonar's relationship is life between Elune and the Winter Queen. Based off what it looks like, seems she was responsible for keeping the cycle of life and death balanced and ordered, with Elune and the Winter Queen seemingly having good relationships, or at least memories with her.

They said something in the 10.2 presentation about Eonar & Freya "consulting" Elune when designing the dream. Whatever that means.

[Dracullus]

Btw, just realized, what if expac hint will be at the end of Secrets of Azeroth event?

[ChronoSul]

All that means is that Elune likes the dragons. Not that she is one. Which we already knew because she also blessed Ysera's Aspect.

It never says so outright, but I think we should assume (besides that Hearthstone directly states the Primus is a Titan) after its confirmed Elune is the Winter Queen's sister, that the Eternals & Titans & Whatever Elune is are interchangeable: They're all direct minions of the First Ones carrying out their design. The Pantheon of Order's designation by the First Ones' was to "order" the universe, (divide them into 6 cosmic domains.)

Hearthstone actually doesnt state the Primus is a Titan. They directly mention that he's an Eternal One & only considered a titan by game mechanics. Same with V-07-TR-0N Prime who is the rogue "titan" while actually being a creation by mimiron.

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Nah. I expect it to just be a Rafaam reveal.

I completely forgot there was a Rafaam model datamined during the beta. Tho I do find it funny if they bring Rafaam over from Hearthstone in the Dragon expansions given his history with galakrond

[Ersula]

Hearthstone actually doesnt state the Primus is a Titan. They directly mention that he's an Eternal One & only considered a titan by game mechanics. Same with V-07-TR-0N Prime who is the rogue "titan" while actually being a creation by mimiron.

But the most telling thing detail there is they changed Vo7tr0n's keyword to indicate he's not a titan. (t1t4n) But not for the Primus. I'm just saying if they wanted to convey that he's not the same race as the Titans his keyword could have had quotation marks.

[doledippers]

nah. I expect it to just be a rafaam reveal.

rafaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam, the supreeeme archaeologist

[ChronoSul]

But the most telling thing detail there is they changed Vo7tr0n's keyword to indicate he's not a titan. (t1t4n) But not for the Primus. I'm just saying if they wanted to convey that he's not the same race as the Titans his keyword could have had quotation marks.

Its another case of blizzard not putting context in the game but an article instead https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-...-of-the-titans . Where its clearly stated hes still an Eternal One & Not a Titan. If Sire & The Jailer didnt also exist in Hearthstone U might have a point but they clearly arnt labeled as Titans even tho all 3 are Eternal Ones