The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Idk what made you expect that, lol.
That isn't gonna happen.

It's gonna be a Nordrassil/Heart of the Forest sized tree, not another Teldrassil.

Also, the tree is part of the zone.
As you can see the tree in the previews.

Likely covering this large, rounded, elevated spot in the middle of zone.

The Raid beginns at the temple, then has you fly through the zone in that Dragonriding encounter and then the raid ends at Amirdrassil with Fyrakk.

Eh yes and the zone is NOT on Azeroth, it is in the Emerald Dream. It will be moved to Azeroth, somewhere.

[Sondrelk]

Which is a non-committal yes. This means barring some sort of natural disaster, there will be another raid tier; a real one. Not this fated nonsense.Honestly, I can't say it'd be better than what we got, but saying this is just a lack of imagination. Nothing should stop them from making varied zones & cultures.

Emerald Dream:

• Dream Hyjal - Mountain Biome, Dragons guard the spires against otherworldly invaders including Void entities & Ancient demons.
• Dream Suramar - River Biome, two ideological camps of Mushroom People fight a civil war
• Dream Scholazar - Tropical Biome, New versions of existing creatures on azeroth get rallied to fight the Druids of the Flame
• Dream Qiraj - Desert Biome, Cactus people try to emulate the visitors from the material plane, form cities
• Dream Tundra - Tundra Biome, Furlords, primodial furblogs test adventurers if they're worthy of their assistance

Old God World: I would build it up like Dark Souls 2, where you travel down into the Abyss, where time does not exist; so you get to visit all these places that were fully consumed by the void, but you get to see them at their height, right before they fell.

• Ahn'Mefir - Last haven of the Aqir, a brutal hierarchy that revolves around slavery & worship of the Old Gods
• Morthen - An alien world that mastered space travel before they were consumed from within by corruption
• Uldorus - A twisted imitation of a Titan Facility; the Old Gods have attempted to learn everything about the Titans by imitating their techniques.
• Showli - A world much like azeroth experiencing a lasting peace but was destroyed by visitors from the deep; relive their final days.
• Vestige of the Black Empire - The throne of the Old Gods. Here the old gods function in perfect harmony, projecting endless nightmares into the universe

It's not imagination that is the limiting problem, if it was you could make an expansion based on anything. You could make an entire expansion set in Suramar specifically, with one zone as the zoo, one as the sewers, one as the vineyards, one as the residential zone, one as the industrial zone, etc. But you don't, because that would be really boring after a while.

Making a full mockup of an expansion is easy. Living with it for two years is the hard bit.

[Hitei]

Eh yes and the zone is NOT on Azeroth, it is in the Emerald Dream. It will be moved to Azeroth, somewhere.

The zone is in the dream version of the crater in Ohn'ahran, I have to assume it moving to the real world would put it in the same place, no halfway around the world or something.

[Cheezits]

The zone is in the dream version of the crater in Ohn'ahran, I have to assume it moving to the real world would put it in the same place, no halfway around the world or something.

Yeah, lorewise it should just pop up in Non-Dream Ohn'nahran, but gamewise... unless the Dream is behind a loading screen, they couldn't overlay the zones like that could they?

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Idk what made you expect that, lol.
That isn't gonna happen.

It's gonna be a Nordrassil/Heart of the Forest sized tree, not another Teldrassil.

Also, the tree is part of the zone.
As you can see the tree in the previews.

Likely covering this large, rounded, elevated spot in the middle of zone.

The Raid beginns at the temple, then has you fly through the zone in that Dragonriding encounter and then the raid ends at Amirdrassil with Fyrakk.

Oh okay, now I see it. IDK I think it will be bigger than that when it's finalized. As currently it doesn't make for much of a home.

[Sondrelk]

10.2.5 could have a lot of story and then 10.2.7 could be Fated season.
But I still think Iridikron is meant to be the final villain of this expac.

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Could just be a green mist.

Green mist seems like the likely possibility for me at least. You start by actually going through the portal, and then get assured that you can fly there normally.

Or of course, maybe it's just the portal. Possibly with one more in Lunadane and another further north so it works more like what we have with Zaralek and it's three entrances.

[Cheezits]

Green mist seems like the likely possibility for me at least. You start by actually going through the portal, and then get assured that you can fly there normally.

Or of course, maybe it's just the portal. Possibly with one more in Lunadane and another further north so it works more like what we have with Zaralek and it's three entrances.

There IS a spot for a portal in Valdrakken (in the green enclave, right above the bank) so portals/instances are looking possible.

[Worldshaper]

Dude, no....

DID and vanilla dwarves are both dwarves, Draenie and LFD are all Draenie. Does that mean they need to share all options????? Of course not....

What's the point of being separate races then???

There is enough of same options between velves and belves, they don't need to keep getting the same options...

What velves need are more void options, like a freaking nzoth eye on their forehead or something or like a tentacle arm, not copying w/e belves get....

Imagine belves wanted all the void options velves had, ffs...

This is my final answer on this, because it's getting a little too off-topic.

It's fine to want more Void options for Void Elves.
It's fine to want more High Elf options for Void Elves.

No one is hurt either way. No one loses out.

You will never see my character in-game, and I will never see yours. Even if I did see yours, I wouldn't see a lot of detail. Even if I did see a lot of detail, I wouldn't be affected one bit by the way your character looked.

I want you to have cool things that you enjoy, and I'd expect the same courtesy in return.

The lore supports it, it logically makes sense because there are High Elf fans on both the Alliance and the Horde, and it doesn't diminish the experience in any way.

End.

[flan1337]

Kinda confused here - is 10.2 not the last major/raid patch then?
Not seeing anything pointing to it being the last.

Unless 10.3 is iridikon coming back from wherever he went.

[Marlamin]

Yeah, lorewise it should just pop up in Non-Dream Ohn'nahran, but gamewise... unless the Dream is behind a loading screen, they couldn't overlay the zones like that could they?

Technically they could with terrain phasing (e.g. how the sword Silithus phase is overlaid on top of regular Silithus), but lore-wise idk what they're going to go for.

[Sondrelk]

So I know this question about allied races gets asked pretty much everytime, but I find hes answer a bit off.

''No Allied Races are coming in Patch 10.2, but it's something the team is keeping in mind when they introduce new cultures.''

I don't think new cultures is really what people are looking into, it's mostly about cool excisting options that are already there. Maybe I am reading to much into it, but that is just weird answer. There are so many options still..

Also, this was the perfect time to add maybe 1 or 2 new races who could be druid, just to start it off with. again something people have been asking for, but they wont let you do that in the literal ED patch. Just a no, but you can do other druid things. ok.

''The team has been looking to increase the diversity of race and class combinations.''
''There are not new Druid classes coming in Patch 10.2, but there are new Druid things.''

You could have made this patch so much juicier imo.

You have to remember that patches are deliberately being made smaller so that you have more content to parse out in the minor ones.
10.1 could have had the Eons Fringe dailies and the Mega dungeon, but that would mean more months of nothing.

[Raetary]

It will be moved to Azeroth, somewhere.

Which will be on the dragon isles, next to the Plains.

Lets not fucking kid ourselves, the part of the dream we are going to is literally that exact place but just the mirrored Dream version of it.
They even kept the shape of the mountains and the surrounding landscape identical.

Where the fuck else would it be other than the very very obvious spot?

[Cheezits]

Which will be on the dragon isles, next to the Plains.

Lets not fucking kid ourselves, the part of the dream we are going to is literally that exact place but just the mirrored Dream version of it.
They even kept the shape of the mountains and the surrounding landscape identical.

Where the fuck else would it be other than the very very obvious spot?

Here's the thing, the Dream may be on the world map right where the zone is. If so, when the Tree is planted in reality, where do you put the tree area on the map?

They could shuffle it around whenever it gets planted, but its getting convoluted. It seems way easier to just have the Dream zone in that area and then the tree gets planted somewhere else.

[Hitei]

Technically they could with terrain phasing (e.g. how the sword Silithus phase is overlaid on top of regular Silithus), but lore-wise idk what they're going to go for.

This was my assumption. When they are ready, they are just going to add the tree to the open part of the Dragon Isles map, like they did with Silithus.

[Xilurm]

Why are people arguing over Blood Elf and Void Elves? I thought the only difference between the two, lorewise, was that the Void Elves were a group of Blood Elves that got exiled in the Ghostlands due to learning void magic, then Alleria went to meet with them and took them to the alliance. Didn't all this happen over a very small timeframe? Like a couple of months or something? Considering it was all during Legion? So why shouldn't the Void Elves have the exact same customization options as the Blood Elves? With bonus purple skin and tentacles of course. They are literally the same race.

[Well Done Steak]

This is my final answer on this, because it's getting a little too off-topic.

It's fine to want more Void options for Void Elves.
It's fine to want more High Elf options for Void Elves.

No one is hurt either way. No one loses out.

You will never see my character in-game, and I will never see yours. Even if I did see yours, I wouldn't see a lot of detail. Even if I did see a lot of detail, I wouldn't be affected one bit by the way your character looked.

I want you to have cool things that you enjoy, and I'd expect the same courtesy in return.

The lore supports it, it logically makes sense because there are High Elf fans on both the Alliance and the Horde, and it doesn't diminish the experience in any way.

End.

Not end, how about we give belves all voidy options too cuz you know, they're all helves right???

Toasted take is toasted.

Players need to respect the racial boundary between belves and velves not keep blurring it to the point where you might as well make them a freaking neutral race called "thalassian elf".

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Why are people arguing over Blood Elf and Void Elves? I thought the only difference between the two, lorewise, was that the Void Elves were a group of Blood Elves that got exiled in the Ghostlands due to learning void magic, then Alleria went to meet with them and took them to the alliance. Didn't all this happen over a very small timeframe? Like a couple of months or something? Considering it was all during Legion? So why shouldn't the Void Elves have the exact same customization options as the Blood Elves? With bonus purple skin and tentacles of course. They are literally the same race.

Because I get triggered every time helfers try to ruin velves with more belf crap because they're "both helves" yet forget that velves have an entire void pallet that would never be given to belves for obvious reasons

[Alanar]

You have to remember that patches are deliberately being made smaller so that you have more content to parse out in the minor ones.
10.1 could have had the Eons Fringe dailies and the Mega dungeon, but that would mean more months of nothing.

Altho I agree with you, that pacing is important. But shit that it would have been the perfect timing. I am only talking about additional druid races here now.

It does remind me a bit of the time that Zuldazar and the Zandalari were top interest first 2 patches and instead of unlocking them right at the time when everything was done, we got them some time later, when half the hype was gone. That was such a killer imo.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Which will be on the dragon isles, next to the Plains.

Lets not fucking kid ourselves, the part of the dream we are going to is literally that exact place but just the mirrored Dream version of it.
They even kept the shape of the mountains and the surrounding landscape identical.

Where the fuck else would it be other than the very very obvious spot?

Recognize how bad faith it would be from Blizzard to put the Night Elves on the Dragon Isles. They are not going to do this unless they have interest in doing the whole Splintered cells of Night Elf populations across EK and Kalimdor plotline in the aftermath of the tree birthing and all Night Elves being told to come to the Dragon Isles.

It would be seen as a completely malicious decision by the Narrative Team if they go through with this "as is".

[Worldshaper]

At what time did the PTR go up for previous patches?

[Raetary]

Here's the thing, the Dream may be on the world map right where the zone is. If so, when the Tree is planted in reality, where do you put the tree area on the map?

... In the corresponding spot on the map?

Which is, roughly the middle of that big island circle?

[Revamp Man]

10.2.5 could have a lot of story and then 10.2.7 could be Fated season.
But I still think Iridikron is meant to be the final villain of this expac.

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Could just be a green mist.

She said each major update was dealing with a primal incarnate and we saw iridikron disappear so I'm doubtful of his return

The fated season makes sense because November is 10.2 anyone who thinks earlier is delusional
6 months brings us to may
10.3 would bring us to November but we also have the pre-patch