The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ebonn]

Actually it is. Are you one of those people that think writers are beyond criticism from people who ain't writers themselves?

Did you cheer when Sylvanas burned Teldrassil too?

No, which is why I didn’t say that. It’s not bad faith, you may not like it but it doesn’t make it bad faith.

And I very much enjoyed that point in the plot, because it’s fantasy, and conflict makes stories more interesting. I love Night Elves, but if it was always peace and love and nature, they would get boring.

It’s fiction. It’s not even yours to control or have a say in. Just go/look away if you don’t like it. Major eye roll.

[Polybius]

No, which is why I didn’t say that. It’s not bad faith, you may not like it but it doesn’t make it bad faith.

And I very much enjoyed that point in the plot, because it’s fantasy, and conflict makes stories more interesting. I love Night Elves, but if it was always peace and love and nature, they would get boring.

It’s fiction. It’s not even yours to control or have a say in. Just go/look away if you don’t like it. Major eye roll.

NEs weren't always peace and love. The writers just turned a blind eye on a chunk of Warcraft history to prop up Sylvanas for ultimate failure. There was literally nothing gained and the story didn't move forward, lmao.

That it's fiction doesn't automatically waive crap writing. Players DO care about the story.

[Ersula]

Actually it is. Are you one of those people that think writers are beyond criticism from people who ain't writers themselves?

I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

• "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
• "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them. The added detail of Elune wanting them to die so they could help Ardenweald is so stupid its funny. But that just depicts Elune as incompetent.
• "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
• "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.

"Why are they treating Night Elves so badly?" They're just very subtly giving them what they deserve.

[Ebonn]

NEs weren't always peace and love. The writers just turned a blind eye on a chunk of Warcraft history to prop up Sylvanas for ultimate failure. There was literally nothing gained and the story didn't move forward, lmao.

That it's fiction doesn't automatically waive crap writing. Players DO care about the story.

No, but your opinion is automatically waived when you call it “crap writing” when really it’s just that you don’t like it lol.

You’re allowed to not like it. Don’t make universal statements about “bad writing” or “just turned a blind eye…”

People other than you have opinions too, and a lot of people enjoyed/enjoy the story. Your opinion means exactly as much as theirs does - so nothing, to the creators of a story. Good creators and storytellers don’t base their craft on a few opinions. They do what’s right for the story. Your disagreement means nothing other than YOU didn’t like it. I care about the story, and that particular piece both makes sense and brings me and others excitement and eagerness for what’s next.

“Night Elves weren’t always peace and love.”
Yeah that was my point, thank you. They can’t be, if the story is to be dynamic and interesting.

Edit: Also, my whole point at the beginning of this was that it’s not bad faith to put the new tree on Dragon Isles. If I were a Night Elf, I would want nothing more than to leave the war torn lands and be welcomed into a land protected by the Green Dragonflight, and other Dragonflights, who have historically aided the Night Elves. Alexstrasza, Ysera, and Nozdormu all blessed Nordrassil. Going back with the dragons makes sense wether you want it to or not.

[Polybius]

I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

• "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
• "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them.
• "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
• "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.

Technically Elune let them die to send a package to the Winter Queen, but the carrier lost the package in the Maw .

Third part is a little baffling. They haven't made it very clear that NEs could migrate here from the World Tree, logically it's the next step. But I guess that's the limit of having no revamps to old zones, it's just not reflected in game. This game desperately needs it, too many hanging threads.

[Ebonn]

I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

• "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
• "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them. The added detail of Elune wanting them to die so they could help Ardenweald is so stupid its funny. But that just depicts Elune as incompetent.
• "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
• "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.

"Why are they treating Night Elves so badly?" They're just very subtly giving them what they deserve.

Their immortality came from Nozdormu’s blessing, not Alextrasza’s. As long as the tree stood, they would not suffer the passing of time.

[Polybius]

No, but your opinion is automatically waived when you call it “crap writing” when really it’s just that you don’t like it lol.

You’re allowed to not like it. Don’t make universal statements about “bad writing” or “just turned a blind eye…”

People other than you have opinions too, and a lot of people enjoyed/enjoy the story. Your opinion means exactly as much as theirs does - so nothing, to the creators of a story. Good creators and storytellers don’t base their craft on a few opinions. They do what’s right for the story. Your disagreement means nothing other than YOU didn’t like it. I care about the story, and that particular piece both makes sense and brings me and others excitement and eagerness for what’s next.

“Night Elves weren’t always peace and love.”
Yeah that was my point, thank you. They can’t be, if the story is to be dynamic and interesting.

Edit: Also, my whole point at the beginning of this was that it’s not bad faith to put the new tree on Dragon Isles. If I were a Night Elf, I would want nothing more than to leave the war torn lands and be welcomed into a land protected by the Green Dragonflight, and other Dragonflights, who have historically aided the Night Elves. Alexstrasza, Ysera, and Nozdormu all blessed Nordrassil. Going back with the dragons makes sense wether you want it to or not.

Yes, some people do love the Jailer + post-Legion Sylvanas and their opinion means as much.

[Ersula]

Honestly the fact that Elune gave them another World Tree seems irresponsible.

Benefits of a World Tree:
*Night Elf shorefront property

Dangers of a World Tree:
*A giant weakpoint in the Titan's complicated planetary defense system against void/fel corruption

Dragon Isles Pathfinder Coming With Patch 10.2 - Regular Flying in the Dragon Isles

Are they serious with this? Why make slow flying an achievement? Just to punish people who don't like Dragonriding? I have a friend who has vertigo & she hasn't been able to play DF because of Dragonriding. This is infuriating.

[Jolly Roger]

we are fighting the new firelord
is it possibly possible the elemental incarnates might actually have a tie to their elemental planes and thus the rulers??
omg is it possible that iridikron has ties to the void and knowledge about neltharion because he draws power from the earth???
its almost like this was hinted at forever ago but people refuse to accept it because its not as good as head canon about "no the elemental lords are our buddies and we took care of all of them already"

[Mecheon]

Are they serious with this? Why make slow flying an achievement? Just to punish people who don't like Dragonriding?

Its been an achievement going back 4 expansions at this point, are you really surprised?

Frankly I much prefer dragonriding so I'm still hoping for the dragonriding unlocked everywhere

[Nibelheimy]

Interesting updates. Reading the raid journal I can't help but imagine how hilarious it would be if Fyrakk were to succeed and 'remake the world in flame' and that's what the fireboi orc picture was about.

On a more serious note, if the tree itself is to end up on the ilses.. If the zaralek cavern loading screen tech could be upgraded so that flying far enough out into the ocean would trigger it, and let you end up in other continents without loading screens, would the new night elf home (if it is truly to be there) still feel as removed from the world? I'd like to think it wouldn't be the case.

I know using it for island transportation for ships was an idea most people could get behind, but I wonder if they intend to connect the continents themselves with dynamic riding. Although I.e. The distance between say Azshara and Lorderon seems too far for a 10 second fly screen.

[Luck4]

More old stuff is being revamped, but still, it's all vehicles, ships, tabards, transmogs, holiday events, things that aren't attached to a location. So, it can mean nothing.

(I know you guys already talked about it) But this is best thing I read today:



No more World Revamp doomsaying, it's not impossible to happen!

[Nibelheimy]

More old stuff is being revamped, but still, it's all vehicles, ships, tabards, transmogs, holiday events, things that aren't attached to a location. So, it can mean nothing.

(I know you guys already talked about it) But this is best thing I read today:



No more World Revamp doomsaying, it's not impossible to happen!

Very nice to hear that it's not a never ever situation. Even if it's not next, it is inevitable.

I've always said these anniversaries will probably lead to this year's announcement having more eyes on it since even the very early days of wow. if not a revamp, it should be big.

[Scyth]

See that's what I thought too, the Dark Iron acquisition quest story was when the Cult of Ragnaros showed up, Smolderon the Fire Lord (the one the shaman players put in charge as Fire Lord) was mysteriously gone by the time the cult showed up. So it would've been something like the Cult took the new Fire Lord and hold him as a puppet until they can get Ragnaros back.

BUT... since Smolderon is a boss in the 10.2 raid, that plotline is thrown out the window... not to mention that this is the first time an Elemental Lord is working with the Incarnates, which there wasn't any prior interaction between the two until today so it only raises more questions of why he (Smolderon) is even involved in all this in the first place.

Maybe they can do something with the Cult of Ragnaros and turn it into some big radical group of Dark Irons that don't like the direction that Moira is taking the kingdom and try to usurp her... but I don't know how they'll do it if they don't have the Fire Lord with them. (I was hoping they could use them to make a Mega Dungeon for Shadowforge/Blackrock Depths where we have to fight through the city.. but with 8 bosses as opposed to....however many BRD had.)

I really hope we get an explanation as to why Smolderon is there and we don't just show up and end him without learning anything.
An elemental lord working together with the incarnates is huge and should be explored more.

Also, do we have any pics of the new druid forms? Saw a post on wowhead about it but am currently in a country where wowhead doesn't work and can't open the article

[Nibelheimy]

I'm so excited boys!
But what will the approach be?

1) A soft revamp with simply new models

2) An intermediate revamp, models are updated with some additions and terrain adjustments

3) A full revamp, the land is completely new and everything is bigger

So many possibilities!

I imagine with Ion stating they've learnt from Cata's mistake of removing the older world without a way to re-access. They'd feel free to to go of the rails with it and really change things up.

[Revamp Man]

I'm so excited boys!
But what will the approach be?

1) A soft revamp with simply new models

2) An intermediate revamp, models are updated with some additions and terrain adjustments

3) A full revamp, the land is completely new and everything is bigger

So many possibilities!

Expect the ziidormi treatment
Revamp but with the option to phase back and only a few zones at a time

[Raetary]

Nymue was placed in this verdant realm by Eonar when she and Freya shaped the Dream. In Wellspring Temple, they enforce and protect the ordering of the Emerald Dream, weaving its wilderness into complex patterns.

So, Eonar was involved alongside Freya, Nymue is a titan creation and from the sounds of it they ordered the dream ala Azeroth and didn't create it themselves.

[Luck4]

Very nice to hear that it's not a never ever situation. Even if it's not next, it is inevitable.

Yeah, and he doesn't even say something like "It could happen, but it would be a monumental task", as he did while addressing housing some time ago in another interview.

I don't know if it will happen in 11.0, but I couldn't be happier knowing that's not impossible.

The funny thing is that every speculation thread will have World Revamp speculation until either Blizzard changes their minds or it happens.

LMAO

[Luck4]

1) A soft revamp with simply new models

2) An intermediate revamp, models are updated with some additions and terrain adjustments

3) A full revamp, the land is completely new and everything is bigger

I only want to see playable races' lore fleshed out, so any concept with this will be good, IMO.

The graphical uplift is just a welcome bonus for me.

[Nibelheimy]

So, Eonar was involved alongside Freya, Nymue is a titan creation and from the sounds of it they ordered the dream ala Azeroth and didn't create it themselves.

I hate to bring this up but the wording in that description and design of that boss really invokes Zereth Mortis. MORE PATTERNS.

It almost gives me hope they may actually retcon the first ones and just say the shadowlands is titan ordered death, and not true death.