The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

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Well, she is talking about Amirdrassil I guess? But when it sprouts I doubt it would take them with it. So it's probably going to sprout in Ohn'ahran plains.

[Nebron]

That level of copium....

Like what? As for now, the only indication that 10.2 is a final raid tier is what, AOTC mount which covers a pattern existing for 4 last expansions? Ah right, roadmap ends on 2023, lol…

Story, altough not much is known about 10.2, seems too be far from over, and it’s hard to imagine that killing Fyrakk could serve for satisfying conclusion.
Story bits suggest that we will gather other dragon species, perhaps building a pretty solid army to fight of the last villian of that expansion. So unless the big brain behind DF, Iridkron, is dealt with in 10.2.5, or his storyline spans over to the next expansion, I can’t see a serious reason for DF story to be cut just like that.
On top of that, Blizzard constantly brags about the new patch cadence quality that came with DF. It even happened in the most recent interview. I wouldn’t be so confident if that was the last patch.
But if we are in a topic of patterns - Shadowlands and WoD were actually an outlier when it comes to the patch numbers - BfA had 4 raid tiers with a mid-tier raid, Legion had 4 raid tiers and a mid-tier raid. Both WoD and Shadowlands had development issues with presumably tons of content cut out.
That doesn’t seem to be the case for DF.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Interesting that Tanaris Wastelands set... also dreadlord armour! I wonder where they're heading with all of this

[Palapop]

Like what? As for now, the only indication that 10.2 is a final raid tier is what, AOTC mount which covers a pattern existing for 4 last expansions? Ah right, roadmap ends on 2023, lol…

Story, altough not much is known about 10.2, seems too be far from over, and it’s hard to imagine that killing Fyrakk could serve for satisfying conclusion.
Story bits suggest that we will gather other dragon species, perhaps building a pretty solid army to fight of the last villian of that expansion. So unless the big brain behind DF, Iridkron, is dealt with in 10.2.5, or his storyline spans over to the next expansion, I can’t see a serious reason for DF story to be cut just like that.
On top of that, Blizzard constantly brags about the new patch cadence quality that came with DF. It even happened in the most recent interview. I wouldn’t be so confident if that was the last patch.
But if we are in a topic of patterns - Shadowlands and WoD were actually an outlier when it comes to the patch numbers - BfA had 4 raid tiers with a mid-tier raid, Legion had 4 raid tiers and a mid-tier raid. Both WoD and Shadowlands had development issues with presumably tons of content cut out.
That doesn’t seem to be the case for DF.

It's more than enough indication.

I never said its last patch. But last raid tier.

We'll probably have 10.2.5/7 patches rolling. or even 10.3 with s4. But no new raid. Just "fated" bullsh!t and story conclusion.

99% we're not killing Iridikon (w/e spelling) this expansion as hes dealing with something else atm. We don't even know where he went.

Tho it's funny how hes well informed about what happened for dozens of thousands of years

[Kiivar86]

Think about it, this raid has 9 bosses. Final raids always have at least 10 bosses.

Most, but not every. Sunwell's got 6, though you could argue that's before a pattern was set. Dragon Soul had 8.

Rest are above 10 all, though, yeah.

Still, I think its silly to say that because most final raids had 10+ bosses, this isn't a final raid. We love to see patterns in things where they may not truly exist.

[Hitei]

Like what? As for now, the only indication that 10.2 is a final raid tier is what, AOTC mount which covers a pattern existing for 4 last expansions? Ah right, roadmap ends on 2023, lol…

And, you know, that there's a 95% chance that they announce a new expansion in eight weeks.

[Mecheon]

Interesting that Tanaris Wastelands set... also dreadlord armour! I wonder where they're heading with all of this

They're doing a few other sets themed around NPCs so I wouldn't be surprised if its store stuff, except that's usually kept secured. So no idea

Trading post would be the sensible place

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

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Well, she is talking about Amirdrassil I guess? But when it sprouts I doubt it would take them with it. So it's probably going to sprout in Ohn'ahran plains.

Probably I am hard cope-ing still, but I don't think it's a done deal that Amirdrassil will sprout in Oha'ahra Plains.

Amirdrassil truly is just the tree in the middle, with the rest of the area being a part of the Emerald Dream. Sure, maybe they can make a phased version of the area in the same place that it occupies in the dream, but if only the tree is to come over (and have a new city built on top) it could still potentially be anywhere.

[Mauderkin]

They're adding glow, slit and star eyes for all the races in 10.2 according to datamining... Visage choice coming for Dracthyr?

[Eeram]

Have you guys seen the LFR tints coming out for the new Tier sets?
The Warrior, Rogue, An DK are all probably the best looking of the other tints

[Revamp Man]

It's more than enough indication.

I never said its last patch. But last raid tier.

We'll probably have 10.2.5/7 patches rolling. or even 10.3 with s4. But no new raid. Just "fated" bullsh!t and story conclusion.

99% we're not killing Iridikon (w/e spelling) this expansion as hes dealing with something else atm. We don't even know where he went.

Tho it's funny how hes well informed about what happened for dozens of thousands of years

The 10.2 reveal even said iridikron is gone

Let the guy survive

[Palapop]

The 10.2 reveal even said iridikron is gone

Let the guy survive

thats my point.

DF "big bad bosses" are pretty much done. Unless we dig up Murazond or Tyr in 10.2.5/7....
But overall- next raid IS last raid tier of the expansion.

And I'm somehow glad for it.

Storytelling in DF was on SL level if you ask me. Waaaaaaaay too disneyfied.

[Walrusking]

They could add Evokers to all races by having the aspects get their powers back and empower the other races as a reward for helping them. Breath attacks become things shot out of hands, can conjure fiery wings for deep breath ect. I don't think they will do it but it can be done.

Also, about Smolderan being a raid boss, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet. As long as we don't kill him in the firelands proper he will just come back, so it's not wasting him as much as I've seen people say.

[Luck4]

There are so many unused things being datamined on this expansion that the clue for the next expansion is probably hidden in plain sight.

It'll be fun when Blizzcon comes out, and the announcement shows something that could've been predicted based on 10.0 unused stuff.

[Ersula]

The MEMORIES of Tyrs Guard? Are they gone already?

Tyr's Guard was an ancient order of Iron Vrykul initially. Its referring to their ancient memories.

They could add Evokers to all races by having the aspects get their powers back and empower the other races as a reward for helping them. Breath attacks become things shot out of hands, can conjure fiery wings for deep breath ect. I don't think they will do it but it can be done.

They could do that, but I think the philosophy going forward is that Hero Classes are defined by having unique racial identity. Demon Hunters & Death Knights don't have unique races but they do have unique racial customization options. This opens the way for Crypt Lord, Dark Ranger, Lich, Naga Tidelord hero classes, etc.

DF "big bad bosses" are pretty much done. Unless we dig up Murazond or Tyr in 10.2.5/7....
But overall- next raid IS last raid tier of the expansion.

How incredibly anticlimactic would it be to finally resurrect Tyr only for there to be no crisis; The entire reason we were resurrecting him had already been resolved. I doubt that's how they planned out the expansion. And I don't have a very high opinion of Blizzards writing but I'm not so cynical that I think they'd make the main story thread of Dragonflight simply be setup for 11.0 with no climax. Even WoD had a proper Climax with Archimonde arriving. Fyrakk is no Archemonde/Sargeras/N'zoth.

Also, about Smolderan being a raid boss, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet. As long as we don't kill him in the firelands proper he will just come back, so it's not wasting him as much as I've seen people say.

Yes, but because the Emerald Dream & Elemental Planes are both pocket dimensions created by the titans, killing him in the Dream might have the same effect as killing him the Firelands. Effectively, those places are the real azeroth, & our material plane is a simulation.

[Luck4]

Also, about Smolderan being a raid boss, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet. As long as we don't kill him in the firelands proper he will just come back, so it's not wasting him as much as I've seen people say.

I'm 100% sure everyone, including Blizzard, forgot about this detail.

[Alanar]

We visited him in the Halls just an expansion ago, without any challenge.

Uch.. I am obviously talking about these types of scenarios or confrontration we did in the past. The points is that these visits always had something to do with proving ourselves.

This one seems no different.

[Vlyse]

Fyrakk's the number-two baddie, just like Ragnaros also threatened the World Tree and was a serious threat but wasn't the last and biggest boss in Cataclysm. Iridikron's your Deathwing this expansion, making deals and creating distractions while he continues his schemes. It was Iridikron who set the Sundered Flame (10.1) and Fyrakk (10.2) on their paths. He ties the previous two patches together, and he is a common enemy for Alex and Tyr. And just like Iridikron is distracting the heroes in-game, Blizzard is distracting us with Fyrakk. It's an intentional beat and it'll be a huge story twist for casual players.

One thing I'll say, tho, is I'm perplexed by Vyranoth turning so quickly in the story. An ice dragon leading a frost-filled invasion of the Dream would've been a lot more fun than Firelands 2.0, imo.

[Chickat]

So after everything that we are seeing, I have decided to remain positive. While 10.2 will just be another 10.1, this is not necessarily bad, as I had fun with 10.1, and the x.x.5 and x.x.7 patches now bring quite a bit of content.

It seems clear that we will not have a 10.3. I am betting on 10.2.5 and 10.2.7. One of these will bring a fated season, but with a twist. 10.2.5 or 10.2.7 will bring the Timewalking revamp, and with It, a fated season of old raids. Three of them, like in SL. One is going to be Nighthold, as we have to go there for the Tyr questline. But this questline might be expanded. For sure to one MoP raid, as It is MoP turn to get a raid, and another one that I do not know yet, but we are seeing datamined Quiraji armour and mounts, so...

I do not think that DF not having a 10.3 is them cutting a patch. I think that it is the new model forward. So, while a little bit dissapointed, I think that I will be able to have my fair share of fun, and that if they keep DF's content cadence in future expansions, even if those expansions would only last until the x.2.7 patch, It would be good for the game.

Lets be honest here. Cutting a patch but with DF content cycle is still more content than any expansion except maybe Legion. Even without an extra new raid tier and zone.

[RahEndymion]

I'm pretty confused why the dropping of a mount is the reason people think this will be the last patch.

They've changed achievement rewards for every patch this xpac trying to iron out their new combined m+ rating / raid clear achi reward system.

There is no chance that we go a year between 10.2 and 11.0 on the same major content. For the vast majority of players .5 and .7 patches are not major content. They do not incentivise the return or continuation of players. They are more so patches that would have been part of a .1/.2 patch in previous expansions just delayed which is partly why 10.1 felt barren, boring and feature deplete on launch.

If there is no 10.3, this will go from being one of the best expansions on launch to one of the worst by the end. 10.0 was top 3 expansion launches, 10.1 and so far 10.2 are Korthia level content. I'd go as far as saying Zereth Mortis was better than both and we all know how people felt about SL.