The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KayRule]

Lets be honest here. Cutting a patch but with DF content cycle is still more content than any expansion except maybe Legion. Even without an extra new raid tier and zone.

If 10.2 was the last patch PERIOD, it would still have more content added from launch to end than Legion.

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If there is no 10.3, this will go from being one of the best expansions on launch to one of the worst by the end. 10.0 was top 3 expansion launches, 10.1 and so far 10.2 are Korthia level content. I'd go as far as saying Zereth Mortis was better than both and we all know how people felt about SL.

Troll account.

[RahEndymion]

Troll account.

Cope more.. Zereth Mortis was far larger and more involved than either 10.1 or 10.2 (so far). There is no trolling here. Stop with the binary nonsense you can enjoy the game and still criticise wasted potential, it's not one or the other.

If 10.2 was the last patch PERIOD, it would still have more content added from launch to end than Legion.

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It literally wouldn't though. Broken shores and Argus are both sizable pieces of content with far longer quest chains than either 10.1 or 10.2. You can combine the quest chains in 10.1.5 and 10.1.7 and add them to 10.1 and it's still smaller than broken shore, let alone no mage tower. What is wrong with your memory bud?

[KayRule]

Cope more.. Zereth Mortis was far larger and more involved than either 10.1 or 10.2 (so far). There is no trolling here. Stop with the binary nonsense you can enjoy the game and still criticise wasted potential, it's not one or the other.

No cope. Your post history is filled with similar baity statements and incredibly fresh account. Time-gated nonsense with a double grind was not better than the content we've been given.

[RahEndymion]

No cope. Your post history is filled with similar baity statements and incredibly fresh account. Time-gated nonsense with a double grind was not better than the content we've been given.

Disagreeing with you isn't 'baity statements' lol.

You're just wrong. As mentioned in my edit, broken shores and argus are FAR larger than 10.1 and 10.2, specially when you include the mage tower, the dungeon in 7.2, dungeon in 7.3, additional artifcact/hall quests, 7.2.5/7.3.5 and so on. You just have poor recollection, nothing more.

There is literally no scenario where there is more content in 10.0-10.2 than in 7.0-7.3.5 and to pretend otherwise is obtuse and wilfully ignorant.

As mentioned, I do not believe 10.2 is the final patch anyway.. so not sure why you consider my suggestion that if it was to be the final patch, it would be a huge mistake, to be trolling..

I've also been using this website since wrath watch mate. If anything, YOU are new lol

[Vlyse]

Even if it were true that DF at this point with 10.2 had more content, WoW is a game known for its 3 major patch structure. Blizzard knows that too, and they're not going to follow up SL by telling us "well, actually, look at all the .5/.7 patches we did this time" No, they've got to show people that DF is delivering, or at least appearing to deliver, at minimum, the same amount of major patches as expansions before SL. They've done a great job so far, but they've got to see it through 'til the end with 10.3.

[Samin]

Interesting that Tanaris Wastelands set... also dreadlord armour! I wonder where they're heading with all of this

That's almost certainly a store/cross promo set. Maybe Trading Post.

[KyleEverett]

If 10.2 was the last patch PERIOD, it would still have more content added from launch to end than Legion.

It'd have the least amount of raid content EVER. Even WoD would have more raid content if this is the last raid. The other person you quoted isn't alone in his feelings. If this is the last major content patch and all they did was 3 raids and 1 megadungeon, I'd be extremely disappointed. A few tiny world events do not make up for losing multiple dungeons, an entire raid, mini-raids. No 10.3 with a new raid, yes, this expansion instantly goes to WoD levels for me. I'm already sad we have 6 legacy dungeons including two of my all time least favorites in Atal'dazar and Throne of the Tides. I love m+ but I'm debating just raiding this season for AotC and taking a break.

[Chickat]

My children… any last doubt I had about a World Revamp… is gone.
- Ion’s approval
- All the juicy datamined new models for vehicles, sets and tabards
- Gradual revamp of models of all old creatures
- Bits of lore dropped left and right for future old world stories

The planets are aligned and it’s all coming together! 11.0 will be our World Revamp expansion.

Crosses fingers.

[Lady Atia]

It seems like they are also slowly changing old armour to give it a HD look via AI (because no human would want to go over the tens of thousands of old gear just to give it an high rezz upscale):

https://twitter.com/kraulspine/statu...42966332297293

Great news if so, and I really hope they also do this with classic/tbc era mounts next expansion - new stuff is cool, but sometimes I just want to use old mounts/sets and would love them to be on par with modern stuff!

[Sondrelk]

Even if it were true that DF at this point with 10.2 had more content, WoW is a game known for its 3 major patch structure. Blizzard knows that too, and they're not going to follow up SL by telling us "well, actually, look at all the .5/.7 patches we did this time" No, they've got to show people that DF is delivering, or at least appearing to deliver, at minimum, the same amount of major patches as expansions before SL. They've done a great job so far, but they've got to see it through 'til the end with 10.3.

I imagine Blizzard would want to do a 10.3 with a final raid, even if that means a 3 boss raid instance bolstered by Fated Raids.

[Luck4]

It seems like they are also slowly changing old armour to give it a HD look via AI (because no human would want to go over the tens of thousands of old gear just to give it an high rezz upscale):

https://twitter.com/kraulspine/statu...42966332297293

This is really neat, but I think this takes time, otherwise, we would be getting HD upscaled buckets of old stuff every patch, and Blizzard would be bragging about it.

But, of course, they also could be saving it to sell as an expansion feature.

In less than two months we'll know... I hope.

[Sondrelk]

It seems like they are also slowly changing old armour to give it a HD look via AI (because no human would want to go over the tens of thousands of old gear just to give it an high rezz upscale):

https://twitter.com/kraulspine/statu...42966332297293

Great news if so, and I really hope they also do this with classic/tbc era mounts next expansion - new stuff is cool, but sometimes I just want to use old mounts/sets and would love them to be on par with modern stuff!

Makes sense as well. Not every set can be Judgment. Some has to be puke green chainmail.

[Lady Atia]

I imagine Blizzard would want to do a 10.3 with a final raid, even if that means a 3 boss raid instance bolstered by Fated Raids.

I still don't get why some people are so hell bent on getting another raid after Amidrassil .... I would rather have a few months of relaxed fated farm raids instead of having to do progress until the last minute. Also new expansion > any patch, so I would rather get 11.0 in late summer instead of another dragged out raid tier.

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Makes sense as well. Not every set can be Judgment. Some has to be puke green chainmail.

Speaking about Judgement - I would like to see how really old classic sets would look with that uprezz since the styles/colours were a bit different back than compared to today.

[KyleEverett]

I still don't get why some people are so hell bent on getting another raid after Amidrassil .... I would rather have a few months of relaxed fated farm raids instead of having to do progress until the last minute. Also new expansion > any patch, so I would rather get 11.0 in late summer instead of another dragged out raid tier.

Main reason I wouldn't is you'd be forking out the money for an expansion every 18 months or something vs every 24. I'm also on the side you'd more likely still get a fall or winter release you'd just have a longer fated season.

[Sondrelk]

I still don't get why some people are so hell bent on getting another raid after Amidrassil .... I would rather have a few months of relaxed fated farm raids instead of having to do progress until the last minute. Also new expansion > any patch, so I would rather get 11.0 in late summer instead of another dragged out raid tier.

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Speaking about Judgement - I would like to see how really old classic sets would look with that uprezz since the styles/colours were a bit different back than compared to today.

WoW is very much defined by its raids as a method of storytelling, and the story of Dragonflight isn't even close to ending based on what we are seeing with the ending of 10.2.
Ending the expansion with that raid, and just a regular quest afterwards for the actual conclusion would feel very much like how BfA just unceremoniously ended its main storyline in 8.2.5 when Sylvanas ran away in front of Orgrimmar. Maybe fitting as a pure storytelling conceit, but very much underwhelming as a game.

I don't disagree that relaxed Fated raids is a bad way to end the expansion, quite on the contrary I love it. But the expansion needs a strong finale, and that should mean a raid.
Imagine for instance if SL ended with the Jailer being defeated in a questline rather than a raid. Or Legion just had a brief scenario on Argus after Tomb of Sargeras. It would feel horribly underwhelming, even if I am quite sure the developers could make the final stretch just as good if not better than the rest of the expansion.

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Main reason I wouldn't is you'd be forking out the money for an expansion every 18 months or something vs every 24. I'm also on the side you'd more likely still get a fall or winter release you'd just have a longer fated season.

And lets be honest. Even if the expansion could come out in September or whatever if there is no 10.3. Are expansion actually all that much better just because they release late summer rather than early winter?
All that changes in the grand scheme is how long from now until the next expansion, not really how long the drought is.

[Shadowferal]

WoW is very much defined by its raids as a method of storytelling, and the story of Dragonflight isn't even close to ending based on what we are seeing with the ending of 10.2. Ending the expansion with that raid, and just a regular quest afterwards for the actual conclusion would feel very much like how BfA just unceremoniously ended its main storyline in 8.2.5 when Sylvanas ran away in front of Orgrimmar. Maybe fitting as a pure storytelling conceit, but very much underwhelming as a game. .

Considering the sheer amount of loose ends, unfinished storylines, this is par for the course.

[Sondrelk]

Considering the sheer amount of loose ends, unfinished storylines, this is par for the course.

This is the main story thread we are talking about though. Those usually end up resolved.
The Jailer is defeated. The Burning Legion is stopped. The situation on Draenor was resolved. Garrosh was defeated and the war ended. Etc.

There are almost always loose ends, but they are usually either minor ones, or something that can be carried over into future expansions. Like Wrathion being afraid of the Legion returning in MoP, or the Shadowlands in Legion.

The main storyline in DF is the aspects and their purpose, which isn't really a storyline that can currently be carried over into future expansions. It has to have a conclusion while we are on the Dragon Isles.
Basically everything about their purpose revolves around Tyr as well, and so far there doesn't seem to be anything he is doing in the 10.2 raid, so no resolution there.

[KyleEverett]

Y'all think there is a domain of Life or not?

There absolutely is. We know it's where Elune is from and it's where Loa go before they're sent to the dream for rebirth.

[RahEndymion]

Y'all think there is a domain of Life or not?

Probably but I think they're likely to try and avoid the assumption that every cosmic force has a specific 'domain' in the vein of shadowlands. In the 2020 cosmology chart it seemed to suggest Shadowlands was more akin to the Dream than it was to something like the Twisting Nether or the Void.

It's a bit confusing because the chart sort of implies that if there is a 'Domain of Life' then there is also a 'Domain of Death' that is more than part of the Shadowlands. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing really.

It would be cathartic if we learned that the Shadowlands are not the true afterlife, or the true realm of death.

[Shadowferal]

This is the main story thread we are talking about though. Those usually end up resolved. The Jailer is defeated. The Burning Legion is stopped. The situation on Draenor was resolved. Garrosh was defeated and the war ended. Etc. There are almost always loose ends, but they are usually either minor ones, or something that can be carried over into future expansions. Like Wrathion being afraid of the Legion returning in MoP, or the Shadowlands in Legion.

You're joking, right?

Blizzard has directly mentioned Gilneas. Beyond that, how much time do you have? Let's start geographicall from Quel'thalas and then go clockwise? How are efforts to contain the Dead Scar and reclaim lost lands in Silvermoon? What is the state of the Amani after Zul'jin died, Drakara died and the Revantusk conquered Jintha'alor How are Argent Dawn efforts to cleanse Stratholme and the rest of the Eastweald going? What is the state of Strom? Did Forsaken maintain their presence in Alterac City? Have they been building in Andorhal? Depending on the state of Strom and given that Dark Iron forces are no longer opposed to the other clans, what is the state of Khaz Modan infrastracture; has the Loch Modan dam and the Thandol Span been rebuild? What happened to the Wildhammer clans of Twilight Highlands? Have they remained there or have they been displaced? What will happen with the Ironforge Crown; when will Moira's son take over? What about the Cult of Ragnaros? What is the state of Redridge after the Scourge Invasion during Shadowlands? Has Darkshire been repopulated? What is the state of Westfall after the events of the Human Heritage questline? Is anyone watching the Dark Portal after Netherguard Keep was destroyed? What is the state of Zul'gurub? Has Gadzetan actually expanded? Have the Wastewalker tribes build settlements now that they have made peace with the Tol'vir? What sword? Had Gazlowe been replaced as the leader of Ratchet? Does it remain neutral/Steamwheedle-aligned? What happened to Goblin Kottick? How have the Botani who crossed the Time Rift affected the Barrens? Can the orcs develop agriculture so they can actually be self-sufficient? Did the trolls build a proper settlement in the Echo Isles by now? Where are the Night Elf refugee?

And the utter lack of any coherent follow through regarding the Holocaust of Nightelves is enormously telling.