The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I don't mind the shadowlands lore and even I'm confused. Why can people of Ardenweald move freely between there & the Emerald Dream? Shouldn't they be dream projections like everyone else who is bound to some other plane?

There is probably some "cheat" in place that allow the Dream/Lifelands to directly interact with Ardenweald in a way that other spaces can't.

Whether the Titans did it, Elune did it, or the First Ones (who may honestly be the titans or their ancestors) is up in the air.

[Raetary]

Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense

???

Kyrian fly all over the place, the Necrolords canonically scout out the universe as we see in the Draka short, Denathrius was sending out Dreadlords with no problems and the Brokers can go anywhere, anytime without the slightest bit of effort.

Let alone that the place got invaded like 3 times.

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Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939

Inside the dream this time around.

Maybe they'll tie the whole ritual back to the Embrace.

[Cheezits]

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Inside the dream this time around.

Maybe they'll tie the whole ritual back to the Embrace.

I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

also another Elune is the real Dragon God clue

[Fahrad Wagner]

I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

also another Elune is the real Dragon God clue

I really hope they tie it to Elune and the Embrace somehow

[Ersula]

Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939

I appreciate them using Mordenaku so the casual observer might have some suspense over who becomes the 6th dragonflight aspect. It reminds me when the original power rangers series did this big build up over who would be the White Ranger. The white ranger would eventually be revealed as the former green ranger, Tommy, but they added this new kid named Noah and kept dressing him monochromatically to keep the audience guessing. Even though the audience for that kids show would have had no concept of dramatic irony. That's like hinting Mordenaku might be the next aspect just for it to actually be Vyranoth.

I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

It's just like the damn George-Lucas-ism of it all: The same logic that the Nelves sacrificed their immortality blessing, originally given to them by the Aspects, to stop Archemonde. Then they gave up their chance at returning to life to get a new tree. So then the World Tree, since they are all connected, gives the blessing back to the Aspects in the form of restoring their full powers.

Goddamn blizzard did this to me - all this bullshit had an ending that makes total sense I'm so angry.

[Hyde]

Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense

literally only player's headcanon. They can't leave the maw if they entered it that's all, but the Mawwalker shenanigans allowed them to travel to and leave the maw.

[Cheezits]

How does any of this mean Elune is the "Dragon goddess"?

Kalecgos, despite no titans/watchers being around, was empowered to be Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight by a moon ritual.

Couple that with the elemental and possibly Life origins of the dragons (as the Protos came from the elements, and they may have their start in Life) and there are some hints that it's Elunes powers that empower the Aspects, not the Titans. Though they may have used Elune's power for the first Aspects (which would explain the heavy connection between Eonar and Elune, they may be friends or something)

If Amirdrassil and Elune/Winter Queen are the ones who bless/empower the Aspects, that would just continue this theme

[Ersula]

Kalecgos, despite no titans/watchers being around, was empowered to be Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight by a moon ritual.

All that means is that Elune likes the dragons. Not that she is one. Which we already knew because she also blessed Ysera's Aspect.

It never says so outright, but I think we should assume (besides that Hearthstone directly states the Primus is a Titan) after its confirmed Elune is the Winter Queen's sister, that the Eternals & Titans & Whatever Elune is are interchangeable: They're all direct minions of the First Ones carrying out their design. The Pantheon of Order's designation by the First Ones' was to "order" the universe, (divide them into 6 cosmic domains.)

[Golden Yak]

I feel like there's still plot threads in the Dragon Isles that I want more info on. Maybe I missed things.

Did we figure out the source of Decay magic that the gnolls were using?
What was up with that blue dragonflight tower/structure that Raszageth wanted in the Azure Span?

[Cheezits]

All that means is that Elune likes the dragons. Not that she is one. Which we already knew because she also blessed Ysera's Aspect.

I'm saying Elune may be the one who grants Aspects power, not the Titans. After all, why would she be able to grant the arcane/order aspect arcane/order power without the Titans around?

Also I bet you ten bucks that the War of the Scales book will reveal that they were first empowered by the moon, just under Tyr's guidance.

[Cheezits]

I feel like there's still plot threads in the Dragon Isles that I want more info on. Maybe I missed things.

Did we figure out the source of Decay magic that the gnolls were using?
What was up with that blue dragonflight tower/structure that Raszageth wanted in the Azure Span?

No and no. Considering Vakthros is covered in ice (connection to Vyranoth?) and we still haven't had enough of the Blues/Khadgar I think that will definitely be a last patch kind of thing (though not a 10.3 patch)

[Ersula]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

As many of us thought! I think it's good news, can't wait to see more races being able to be paladins druids and shamans!

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76178338427042

And there's our seed for "Shamans for all." Vyranoth recruits Primalists, aka a bunch of elf shaman. Tyrs Guard, Dream Babies & the Primalists, our shortcut to Paladins, Druids & Shaman for every race.

It may lead to something down the road, BUT I don't think it will be the reason for "shamans for everyone" because it inherently means your player character is tied to war criminal Primalists and anti-Titan stuff. Can you imagine a new player clicking Night Elf Shaman because it looks cool and then having some weird intro with Vyranoth?

Even if the plot goes anti-Titan, I don't think they would railroad your player character into having those connections. Shamans aren't Death Knights. They want regular classes to be free of baked-in lore.

[Dracullus]

As many of us thought! I think it's good news, can't wait to see more races being able to be paladins druids and shamans!

Eh, that require lot of new models and will piss many people (like everything..), but it's not that hard to implement. Now watch Blizzard trying to do DH for everyone, that should be entertaining... xD

Btw, Evoker is easy too, but imo they should do it differently - every week give us option to change visage to ANY playable race.

[LemonDemonGirl]

No Bwonsamdi yet?

[Raetary]

I'm saying Elune may be the one who grants Aspects power, not the Titans. .

It would have to have been both.
Either by working in unison or one took advantage over the other.

The Pantheon granted them their charges personally, can't take them out of the equation.

[Ersula]

It may lead to something down the road, BUT I don't think it will be the reason for "shamans for everyone" because it inherently means your player character is tied to war criminal Primalists and anti-Titan stuff. Can you imagine a new player clicking Night Elf Shaman because it looks cool and then having some weird intro with Vyranoth?

The sooner you all realize everyone in war craft is a war criminal the better. Especially with how loosely everyone defines that term. What did the Primalists do again? Free some dragons that were in forever jail because the Titans were scared of them?

[Cheezits]

It would have to have been both.
Either by working in unison or one took advantage over the other.

The Pantheon granted them their charges personally, can't take them out of the equation.

Then how did Kalec become Aspect? The Pantheon were captured by Sargeras at that point, or hiding like Eonar.

[Ersula]

Eh, that require lot of new models and will piss many people (like everything..), but it's not that hard to implement. Now watch Blizzard trying to do DH for everyone, that should be entertaining... xD

They explicitly said expanding the "non-hero" classes to everybody. I think at most Demon Hunters might get Void Elves & Nightborne.

As for models, Shaman have a ton of potential totem customization. I'd love Kyrian & Venthyr totems. (Zyphir totems, those bells, Anima cages) and we're already getting a ton of Druid form customization already in 10.2

Then how did Kalec become Aspect? The Pantheon were captured by Sargeras at that point, or hiding like Eonar.

Perhaps while they still had their full powers (before Dragonsoul) either naturally or with the help of the other aspects, an Aspect's Aspectness transferred to their heir at the time of death. No divine intervention required.

We've always been in this place where the exact powers & responsibilities of the Dragon Aspects are never concretely explained to the players, especially before & after empowering the Dragon Soul.