The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Achievement rewards that you can use in your new house?

I don't think they are intended for housing, but there are so many prop items (especially after Legion) added each expansion that would make for very simple furniture items.

[Marlamin]

Besides the tavern, is there an older updated asset in the files that still hasn't been used?

I think there is an HD Night Elf dock/bridge with a round part in the middle, which wasn't used in Darkshore.

This one? It is used in only the Horde phase of the Darkshore warfront, for some reason.

As for older updated assets that still haven't been used, I think there is a version of the Sentinel Hill tower added in BfA that hasn't been used yet.

[Worldshaper]

Besides the tavern, is there an older updated asset in the files that still hasn't been used?

I think there is an HD Night Elf dock/bridge with a round part in the middle, which wasn't used in Darkshore.

There are a lot of things which technically were used, but for trivial reasons.

For example, the Warfront feature, in hindsight, basically looks like an early attempt to create a quick feature using assets they were already making for the revamp.

Why did they revamp Darkshore, Silithus, and Arathi Highlands? Why did they super randomly revamp Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin?

New content has been set in old zones many times, when the zones weren't overhauled.

I think the WSG example is extra notable. Sure, it might have been them just salvaging the resources for a scrapped Barrens Warfront. Who knows. But why did they make Warfronts the way they did, with updated assets?

WSG contains truly excellent assets for Ashenvale, the Barrens, etc. So much detail, and it just sits there. I know WSG is an evergreen feature, but most people don't PvP. And if redoing old battlegrounds was so important all of a sudden, why did they only redo two that are on Kalimdor and EK?

It's almost as if though they initially intended to slowly redo Azeroth, zone by zone according to their old mantra "when it makes sense in the story". But then quickly realised that it'd take forever, so they instead opted to keep the new assets mostly close to their chests, while working at a real revamp in silence for a few years.

[RahEndymion]

Ah, I see. You're basing your opinion on wowhead searches, not realizing that wowhead doesn't actually accurately tally quests, especially during an expansion like Legion where world quests appear in multiple places, every classes' version of the same "use the artifact forge" or "pick a new weapon" quest are duplicated 12/36 times, or that another 70 are just trigger quests for which artifact you're using or keep track of what "raise weapon animation" to use and the like, several hundred quests are just treasure tracking and scenarios, because when Legion was made they used quests for literally anything.

You're welcome to go actually look at a list of proper quests and see that I'm correct though.

Ah, I see. You're basing your opinion on literal claims and nothing more while casting aspersions based on supposed objective reasoning.

I'm not trying to derail the thread again. You've come back with a bunch of broken links and some hand waving. You seem to forget the weekly/daily variants of quests, the follower quests from renown, the various cosmetic quests, pickup item/rep item quests, profession quests and a whole host of currency related quests still appear within Dragonflight.

Please, feel free to provide any form of evidence to refute the actual numbers I have given you. Or, better yet, just stop. You've made a fool of yourself enough as it is.

[Xilurm]

Hmm, that's easily some of the best mail armor I've seen in a long time. I'd be interested to see what the male version looks like.

I really wouldn't except any big differences between male and female versions anymore.

[Sondrelk]

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This one? It is used in only the Horde phase of the Darkshore warfront, for some reason.

As for older updated assets that still haven't been used, I think there is a version of the Sentinel Hill tower added in BfA that hasn't been used yet.

I believe it's used in the Alliance uninstanced, and Horde instanced. Just to show that the old dock has been repaired to some extent in the Alliance controlled version.

Doesnt do anything though, I certainly don't remember any world quests using the area either as Alliance, besides as a backdrop Forsaken flying in over it.

[Cheezits]

This one? It is used in only the Horde phase of the Darkshore warfront, for some reason.

As for older updated assets that still haven't been used, I think there is a version of the Sentinel Hill tower added in BfA that hasn't been used yet.

Interesting. That reminds me they redid the whole Night Elf inn model, but just used it as a prop in the ruins.

And the tower is very suspicious. Hopefully Ion's comments mean this is all for a revamp and NOT "lol new settlements on Avaloren"

[Sondrelk]

Ah, I see. You're basing your opinion on literal claims and nothing more while casting aspersions based on supposed objective reasoning.

I'm not trying to derail the thread again. You've come back with a bunch of broken links and some hand waving. You seem to forget the weekly/daily variants of quests, the follower quests from renown, the various cosmetic quests, pickup item/rep item quests, profession quests and a whole host of currency related quests still appear within Dragonflight.

Please, feel free to provide any form of evidence to refute the actual numbers I have given you. Or, better yet, just stop. You've made a fool of yourself enough as it is.

That still doesnt avoid the fact that 7.0 had the aforementioned 12/36 variants of the exact same quest. "Go to Mission Table and do X mission Y times", "Go to the Artifact Table and inspect [Artifact]". Each order hall had about 6-7 quests that all did the same thing. "Talk to recruiter for [mission table fodder v.1] "Talk to recruiter for [mission table fodder v.2], "Talk to lore person to access lore tablets".

Legion was packed with quests like these because of the focus on individual classes.

[Cheezits]

Apparently Thrall is in the files for 10.2 but I haven't seen him yet. Maybe they really are hiding the Earthen Ring until after Blizzcon?

If it's a revamp/Cata 2 then it would make sense why they held back on them in DF.

[Well Done Steak]

Looks like I missed a lot...

Vyranoth might be the 6,the aspect post raid???

Also all this talk about Elune being the one who truly empowered the aspects makes sense if you go back to the Oracle in zereth mortis.

If you guys remember the vision where the Oracle spoke in different languages.

All of them were "cosmic" languages, except draconic.

But what if draconic is the language of life???

Then again, how can Elune be Involved, outside of the embrace, if the dragons were clearly empowered via the Titans using the keepers as conduits?

[Hitei]

Ah, I see. You're basing your opinion on literal claims and nothing more while casting aspersions based on supposed objective reasoning.

I'm not trying to derail the thread again. You've come back with a bunch of broken links and some hand waving. You seem to forget the weekly/daily variants of quests, the follower quests from renown, the various cosmetic quests, pickup item/rep item quests, profession quests and a whole host of currency related quests still appear within Dragonflight.

Please, feel free to provide any form of evidence to refute the actual numbers I have given you. Or, better yet, just stop. You've made a fool of yourself enough as it is.

No, I just left them out because an even higher percentage of quests in Legion are WQ versions of existing quests. I assumed you didn't want to go down the route of how much of those (lol) "thousand extra quests!!!" were just WQ variants, profession dailies, currency turn ins, etc. because it weakened your already wrong point even further. So instead I pointed out to you that there are hundreds of just outright trigger flags, treasure flags and duplicated quests all over the """actual numbers""" you're appealing to.

[Telogrus]

Turbulent Timeways ends on Oct 31st, so that should also be the release date for 10.2 right?

[Sondrelk]

Turbulent Timeways ends on Oct 31st, so that should also be the release date for 10.2 right?

Probably. Though the devs could just increase the length of Turbulent Timeways if they need more time to release 10.2, so don't take the end of the event as gospel.

[Cheezits]

https://x.com/portergauge/status/170...795261129?s=46

So Amirdrassil "represents a rebirth of Azeroth itself"....

[Marlamin]

Could you, if you haven't already, list all unused updated assets please? If you have any links or anything that would be really interesting

I don't have a list anywhere, but these are the major ones (just world models, not smaller models) I know of off the top of my head that I believe are still unused (and probably the ones most people have seen):

These all share textures with eachother (as well as most Arathi BG human buildings):
- Human Guard/Sentinel Hill Tower (added in 8.0.1)
- Hearthstone Tavern (added in 8.2.5)
- Human Barn (added in 9.0.1)
- Human Farm/Cabin (added in 9.1.0)
- Human Two Story (added in 9.1.0)
- Goldshire Inn (added in 9.1.0)
- Wildhammer (?) Gryphon Roost (added in 10.0.0)
- "Frontier Inn" (added in 10.0.0)

These were also added in 10.0:
- Nightborne ship (might have been used?)
- Night Elf ship (shares some textures with warsong/darkshore update)

These are same of the same set/theme (possibly connected to the Frontier Inn):
- Human Bridge (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Tower 2 (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Wall (added in 10.0.0)

These are also part of a set:
- Orc Wall Corner (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall stairs (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall w/ tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Gate (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Roost/Pen combo (added in 10.0.0)

And now added in 10.2:
- Night Elf wall (just spotted this one, maybe split from WSG?)
- Updated Human Icebreaker
- Updated Human Ship

[Sondrelk]

https://x.com/portergauge/status/170...795261129?s=46

So Amirdrassil "represents a rebirth of Azeroth itself"....

The S.S. World Revamp is ready to set sail for the promised land!

[doledippers]

So Amirdrassil "represents a rebirth of Azeroth itself"....

this kinda just sounds like the usual alexstrasza fluff dialogue that we've been getting this expansion, I'm not reading into this too much

[Sondrelk]

this kinda just sounds like the usual alexstrasza fluff dialogue that we've been getting this expansion, I'm not reading into this too much

You should though. What is life without excitement and hope?

[Worldshaper]

https://x.com/portergauge/status/170...795261129?s=46

So Amirdrassil "represents a rebirth of Azeroth itself"....

Fyrakk be like: "be a shame if anyone were to kill the tree"

"On her third death, she will usher in our coming."

Blam. Tree dead. Azeroth dead. Out comes evil manifestation. Defeat it in 11.0. Azeroth back, yay.

Seems a little unlikely though, even by my standards.

On a serious note, Alexstrasza did say the Watchers would feel their return in the waking of the land. The world is healing, but her fate is yet uncertain. Then at the end of one cinematic, Alexstrasza does her whole life-giving fire breath thingie to bring forests to life. It's a little on the nose, but I think Dragonflight is basically an expansion all about waking up Azeroth.

We'll have to overcome one final, major challenge as the Void seeks to claim our victory in the final moments during 11.0. But once that's all done, Azeroth 100% will be awake as a cucumber.

[doledippers]

You should though. What is life without excitement and hope?

lol good point, nvm this means that the tree is gonna arrive on azeroth and personally retexture EK and kalimdor signed and sent lets go