The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Super Dickmann]

You've got history of making dangerous promises and following through. I'm still greatly split on the patch question, but you've got to understand what you're risking here.

@Cheezits

I'm fairly confident Blizzard haven't suffered a concussion and aren't retarded enough to risk the press of indefinite three raid expansions. It'd be like making the playable race of their post-Shadowlands expansion stick-thin scaley bait with no prior hype or lore.

Oh shit.

[Cheezits]

@Cheezits

I'm fairly confident Blizzard haven't suffered a concussion and aren't retarded enough to risk the press of indefinite three raid expansions. It'd be like making the playable race of their post-Shadowlands expansion stick-thin scaley bait with no prior hype or lore.

Oh shit.

The fact that the expansion after Shadowlands wasn't a revamp (and now, an only marginally bigger expansion) means they just release anything they are able.

If next expansion is Avaloren with nothing cool... IT'S OVER.

[Super Dickmann]

The fact that the expansion after Shadowlands wasn't a revamp (and now, an only marginally bigger expansion) means they just release anything they are able.

If you want to be a pedant, you can make the case that Mists was also a three-tier expansion, but Mists had two and a half intro raids, and both ToT and SoO were more extensive than the DF raids.

[micwini]

Update time!

Could you replace sylvanas ion with this one (maybe more fitting for the tree :P)

https://twitter.com/Solanya_/status/...653222/photo/1

[Cheezits]

If you want to be a pedant, you can make the case that Mists was also a three-tier expansion, but Mists had two and a half intro raids, and both ToT and SoO were more extensive than the DF raids.

True, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone speak well of MV/HOF/whatever the third one (or Crucible) so I can see why they stopped it.

[milkmustache]

The updated Icebreaker just works too good. God its gonna hurt when there is no revamp

[Nymrohd]

If you want to be a pedant, you can make the case that Mists was also a three-tier expansion, but Mists had two and a half intro raids, and both ToT and SoO were more extensive than the DF raids.

Cata was also three tiers. The thing is even WoD will have more raid encounters than DF if Amirdrassil is the last raid.
And honestly, I think both Vault and Aberrus were mediocre. Hoping Amirdrassil is good. Imo every single expansion had at least one raid that was better than the ones we got in DF

[Super Dickmann]

Cata was also three tiers. The thing is even WoD will have more raid encounters than DF if Amirdrassil is the last raid.

In DF's defense, even if the worst comes to pass, Cata's raids were also (Besides parts of Firelands) pretty shit, whereas DF's are mostly just okay.

[Sondrelk]

Needs a triumphant roar. Because not even expansion boundaries is enough to quell the sounds coming from atop the seat of the aspects.

[Luck4]

For future reference, this is the OG image to use from 2015 (with over 35k troll views) https://imgur.com/XCHUYUi

I'll remember that.

10 pages in 16 hours?

In another 3 weeks, you'll see 20 new pages every 12 hours.

[Murlocos]

Patch cadence being a positive for Dragonflight goes out the window if we're dealing with another 10-12 month drought. I think Fated is going to be less appealing this time around; the M+ changes are now part of the regular season, and it doesn't have the fresh cross-faction buzz. If they genuinely view it as a .3 replacement, then I'd assume they're very disconnected from the playerbase in a lot of other ways as well.

A world revamp is not guaranteed success by any means, but it reflects a desire for something fresh. The last decade of the game has been haunted by the shadow of WoD's failure and the subsequent chasing after Legion's success. Cadence is going to end up being a secondary concern to whether the current team can design something truly new and compelling, or if we're riding Legion's template to the grave because they failed with BfA and SL.

[Raetary]

Needs a triumphant roar. Because not even expansion boundaries is enough to quell the sounds coming from atop the seat of the aspects.

[Nightshade711]

For future reference, this is the OG image to use from 2015 (with over 35k troll views) https://imgur.com/XCHUYUi

Back when fake leaks actually had a modicum of effort put into them.
Now it’s just all AI generated/ChatGPT slop.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I'm fairly confident Blizzard haven't suffered a concussion and aren't retarded enough to risk the press of indefinite three raid expansions. It'd be like making the playable race of their post-Shadowlands expansion stick-thin scaley bait with no prior hype or lore.

Oh shit.

With there being a number of factors that make it seem increasingly likely, I honestly have to wonder why they're doing it. The notion that Dragonflight is a purely transitory expansion makes some sense, especially if we're getting a character like Fyrakk as the final boss, and it's really the only reason I could realistically imagine for why a relatively well-received expansion would get a treatment previously exclusively given to expansions that were pretty highly panned and hemorrhaged subscribers.

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Back when fake leaks actually had a modicum of effort put into them.
Now it’s just all AI generated/ChatGPT slop.

I'm hoping we get more high-quality fakes as time goes on. I'm banking on someone like Theramore giving us something good.

[micwini]

Patch cadence being a positive for Dragonflight goes out the window if we're dealing with another 10-12 month drought. I think Fated is going to be less appealing this time around; the M+ changes are now part of the regular season, and it doesn't have the fresh cross-faction buzz. If they genuinely view it as a .3 replacement, then I'd assume they're very disconnected from the playerbase in a lot of other ways as well.

A world revamp is not guaranteed success by any means, but it reflects a desire for something fresh. The last decade of the game has been haunted by the shadow of WoD's failure and the subsequent chasing after Legion's success. Cadence is going to end up being a secondary concern to whether the current team can design something truly new and compelling, or if we're riding Legion's template to the grave because they failed with BfA and SL.

I don't see BFA as a failure. I see BFA as Legion but without the extra dev time from a half assed expansion. BFA was only really bad at the start, but became solid from 8.2 onwards.

[Luck4]

Cata was also three tiers. The thing is even WoD will have more raid encounters than DF if Amirdrassil is the last raid.

The problem is: the current raid design sucks, and participation is very low compared to M+ dungeons, that's why they're focusing a lot more on World Events and outdoor content.

I don't know if you guys noticed, but we never had this amount of outdoor content that Dragonflight gave us in previous expansions.

Blizzard is focusing on the content that most people do: Solo Content.

Aberrus didn't even have a pre-rendered cinematic at the end.

Hopefully, there will be some changes for raids in 11.0, because raiding nowadays is not as fun as it used to be.

[Izalla]

Again the light bound are both the light forged who show up with Xe’ra after we leave and the Draenei who fled argus and we helped in Wod.

The light forged would know more about how they make war then the standard Draenei who spent most of the time fleeing instead of fighting.

Can I get a source on this? Because I've never noticed anything that confirms there is an alternate Xe'ra or that she went to alternate Draenor. The naaru Yrel follows seems to not actually be named yet (not saying it isn't her, just that I've never seen it confirmed). Yrel doesn't seem to actually have physically joined the Army of the Light, but rather is building up her contribution to it by converting all of Draenor.

[Cheezits]

With there being a number of factors that make it seem increasingly likely, I honestly have to wonder why they're doing it. The notion that Dragonflight is a purely transitory expansion makes some sense, especially if we're getting a character like Fyrakk as the final boss, and it's really the only reason I could realistically imagine for why a relatively well-received expansion would get a treatment previously exclusively given to expansions that were pretty highly panned and hemorrhaged subscribers.

I think it because the reason that the shorter expansions were short each time it was for a different reason.

WOD- Failed development, gave up

SL- Hate towards setting, story, company and systems (and/or was planned to be short)

DF- Test to see if they can change how expansions are delivered and/or planned to be short

WOD wasn't despised before it was cut, it was hated BECAUSE it was cut. Even if you believe SL was cut because it was hated it doesn't explain why DF "gets cut" when its not hated. There's just a different reason each time, and DF being intentionally shorter explains why the content cadence and minor patch sizes are improved.

tl;dr They probably planned on DF being shorter regardless of whether or not it was liked, and it being liked isn't changing that it's just three raids. DF could be the new normal, or explicitly shorter to transition to whatever 11.0 (normal size) is.

[Sondrelk]

I don't see BFA as a failure. I see BFA as Legion but without the extra dev time from a half assed expansion. BFA was only really bad at the start, but became solid from 8.2 onwards.

I wouldn't say BfA lacked dev attention so much as it lacked thought put into the systems.
Maybe the issues would have been smoothed out with another 6 months of effective dev time, maybe not.
One could perhaps argue that BfA tried to recapture the Legion genie by having loads of new toys for the players to find, and that they didn't have enough time for all of these.

The story in BfA I don't think would have been fixed by more time though. A faction war expansion predicated on such a shocking moment would never work. If nothing else solely because you cannot have one faction lose in a realistic way.

[ChronoSul]

The problem is: the current raid design sucks, and participation is very low compared to M+ dungeons, that's why they're focusing a lot more on World Events and outdoor content.

I don't know if you guys noticed, but we never had this amount of outdoor content that Dragonflight gave us in previous expansions.

Blizzard is focusing on the content that most people do: Solo Content.

Aberrus didn't even have a pre-rendered cinematic at the end.

Hopefully, there will be some changes for raids in 11.0, because raiding nowadays is not as fun as it used to be.

Also worth mentioning Raids never really had a huge player base compared to just causal content. Remember that back in Cata they introduced LFR because raids werent popular and we might just be seeing the natural progression of that idea where less raid content but more causal content