The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

I always say that Pandaria and Dragonflight feel the same for me: weak lore/setting but awesome gameplay.

Pandaria with weak lore? Have you not done the Lorewalker stuff and got the lore scrolls?

I can agree that Dragonflight is on the weak side when it comes to lore and how they try to "not give too much away" but Lorewalker Cho's stories help a great deal in understanding all the races in Pandaria. (The only time that they didn't give a good explanation was for the Hozen.)

I'm more upset that DF didn't do this yet what with everything being about discovering legacy and understanding this strange world that was hidden away.

[Reive]

mop's lore/story was great. the shorts on the emperor were amazing imo. also that expansion had the best gameplay/class design

[Well Done Steak]

I mean... it might be this way, of course. I've checked your post history and you seem to be pretty passionate about Yrel expansion, which is cool. But that's exactly why I believe you are reading too much into that missing component. If I were to guess, I'd say that the clue for what is to come is indeed hidden within that tweet, but it might be hard enough to figure out. It might be trolling as well, and you are right.

I would even be more eager to believe, that the Mankirk's image is trolling on the level of: "Hey guys, we know that you have seen the leaked cinematic shot, and you've been wondering whether it's true and if that's an orc - yeah, that is an orc" rather than missing Yrel means Lightbound expansion.

I'm partial because I find a light based villain to refreshing but also because it's been obvious to me AF ever since BFA.

Ever since SL was announced as 9.0 i knew 10.0 would be dragon isles follow by a Lightboundd invasion for 11.0.

SL essentially would finish off the arthas story, and 8.3 finished off the old gods and faction conflict.

This means that all available lore to sustain an expansion was exhausted...

Which would mean that blizz would have to rely on new lore established in wow to go forward.

Well BFA set up Yrel as a light villain, the issue is that she is stuck in AU draenor.

Well conveniently enough, the Dragon isles were teased in BFA for the first time ever in wow history as well

So that gave us two possibilities for 10.0, dragon isles and wod 2.0...

Well since Yrel isn't a threat without time travel then that must mean 10.0 is dragon isles.

Funny enough we have an entire faction of dragons with time travel powers who's leader is facing corruption.

Seems like the perfect storm needed to pull an AU light army we're familiar with for 11.0 to be involved in a cosmic light vs void conflict with us in the middle


So far I'm half right....

We just need the events of 10.1.5 to somehow cause Yrel to invade. Maybe the upcoming confrontation with Elisande will be the final straw.

I know, I'm a fucking genius

[Magistrate]

We just need the events of 10.1.5 to somehow cause Yrel to invade. Maybe the upcoming confrontation with Elisande will be the final straw.

Wait what's this?

[Underbottom]

Wait what's this?

Elisande has Tyr's memory disk.

[Magistrate]

Elisande has Tyr's memory disk.

God I really have to actually do content

[Well Done Steak]

God I really have to actually do content

And khadgar said that Elisande's mastery of time magic rivals that of bronze dragons

[Teriz]

And khadgar said that Elisande's mastery of time magic rivals that of bronze dragons

It's interesting watching all the time-based craziness happening in Dragonflight and people still believing that the Lightbound expansion isn't a very likely possibility. It's as if some posters here are holding on to their pet theories for dear life.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

2 subtle differences between the big image and small. Leeroy is lower and hat is missing.

Crossing dueling documents, twinned and marked in red;
Illegible, immaterial, curiosity unfed.
Thoughtless of the gleaming goat or black-and-silver wan,
Yet free of haunting spectres, the giant blue bald man.
Written "never" like the Tinker Leaker, or confirmation of the cause?
Are these clues that fuel our reverie a loosening of laws?
The static frog and hatless wall our speculations spur,
Lowered Leeroy's secrets taunt us silly curs.

[Magistrate]

It's interesting watching all the time-based craziness happening in Dragonflight and people still believing that the Lightbound expansion isn't a very likely possibility. It's as if some posters here are holding on to their pet theories for dear life.

Honestly for me it's that I just don't want it yet. I don't want more cosmic stuff yet.

[Ersula]

So what ? Don't you find it completely stupid to modify/delete the object in question rather than acting on the people in question? People do what they want with anything, it's not the tools they have that's the problem but the intention behind it

Yes. But Blizzard definitely isn't going to do that if people aren't even going to talk about it.

It's as if some posters here are holding on to their pet theories for dear life.

Projection.

[Teriz]

Honestly for me it's that I just don't want it yet. I don't want more cosmic stuff yet.

To be fair, it's not really cosmic since it involves races that are already playable (except for new Arakkoa and Ogre races), and the expansion will more than likely take place entirely on Azeroth.

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Projection.

If you think a Yrel Lightbound expansion is my preferred future expansion, you haven't been paying attention. I merely accept it as the most likely scenario given the evidence and point in time we're in.

[Marlamin]

Projection.

If you think a Yrel Lightbound expansion is my preferred future expansion, you haven't been paying attention. I merely accept it as the most likely scenario given the evidence and point in time we're in.

Oh my god, stop it you two. Go find something in the new PTR build to discuss or something.

[Foolicious]

So sad they changed the description of the fyrakk mythic mount

[Santandame]

It's interesting watching all the time-based craziness happening in Dragonflight and people still believing that the Lightbound expansion isn't a very likely possibility. It's as if some posters here are holding on to their pet theories for dear life.

Oh the irony of that last sentence.

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Oh my god, stop it you two. Go find something in the new PTR build to discuss or something.

You say this but I’m sure Teriz will note the Fey Dragons in the Dream as similar to the ones seen on Draenor and will argue this confirms Yrel.

[Annihilas]

Because Raszhageth was already a little bit psycho? Why the stereotypical female-goes-psycho-based villains Annihilas?

Btw, talking about bosses - now that Vyranoth is our bestie, I really hope we still get her skin as a mount reward down the line, maybe via the main campaign or epilogue?

Wind/Fire = usually unstable... not always though?
Ice = good for... long-term food storage?
Rock = ouch who threw that?!

Never heard of such a stereotype... I just think it sucks their killing off the character with the best visage

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I like the idea that Tyr had always planned to make a third iteration of Dragons. One specifically infused with Order magic, and who would then be part of Tyrs idea of a perfect hierarchy enforcing the Titans will on Azeroth. The Aspects were always just a stepping stone towards this final goal, and would be assimilated or kept in stasis as another of his research experiments if he managed to succeed.
We did learn somewhere that it was only Loken that was willing to let the curse of flesh humanoids live and get a chance. Whereas Tyr agreed with Odyn in that they were abominations that should be controlled or killed.

The easiest way to have Tyr "turn" is to reveal that he only truly saw the dragons as pets or tools. Something he could use to more efficiently establish Titan control over Azeroth. And in this way the aspects going against their programming as it were would be something he would look down on. Not wanting Alexstrasza to make peace with the Keepers enemies for instance.

No, no, no! Odyn needs to fill that role, he's the jerk. Tyr being the bad guy would ruin the Tyr's Gaurd and Silver hands belief system and make it super awkward. I really hope this will not be the case, please Blizzard, don't destroy in-game belief systems lol.

[Revamp Man]

It's interesting watching all the time-based craziness happening in Dragonflight and people still believing that the Lightbound expansion isn't a very likely possibility. It's as if some posters here are holding on to their pet theories for dear life.

Bit of projecting
Or possibly a late self realization??

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10.2 early November
12 months till next expac launch
11 months if you count prepatch
5 months if it's a standard 6 month season
4 months if they push it because final season before fated
4 month fated season is fine

Could also be wrong and 10.3 could exist

Either way we are gonna see Tyr tell Alex to make a choice between the original plan and Vyranoth and Alex will side with her

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I really do want a nice mini raid though...really miss those

[Teriz]

Bit of projecting
Or possibly a late self realization??

Well no. My preferred expansion would be Undermine. Again, I believe 11.0 is Lightbound invasion purely based on timing and evidence. I haven’t really heard a good counter against the idea beyond a few people disliking Yrel and preferring pirates for some reason.

[Annihilas]

I don't have a list anywhere, but these are the major ones (just world models, not smaller models) I know of off the top of my head that I believe are still unused (and probably the ones most people have seen):

These all share textures with eachother (as well as most Arathi BG human buildings):
- Human Guard/Sentinel Hill Tower (added in 8.0.1)
- Hearthstone Tavern (added in 8.2.5)
- Human Barn (added in 9.0.1)
- Human Farm/Cabin (added in 9.1.0)
- Human Two Story (added in 9.1.0)
- Goldshire Inn (added in 9.1.0)
- Wildhammer (?) Gryphon Roost (added in 10.0.0)
- "Frontier Inn" (added in 10.0.0)

These were also added in 10.0:
- Nightborne ship (might have been used?)
- Night Elf ship (shares some textures with warsong/darkshore update)

These are same of the same set/theme (possibly connected to the Frontier Inn):
- Human Bridge (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Tower 2 (added in 10.0.0)
- Human Wall (added in 10.0.0)

These are also part of a set:
- Orc Wall Corner (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall stairs (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc wall w/ tower (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Gate (added in 10.0.0)
- Orc Roost/Pen combo (added in 10.0.0)

And now added in 10.2:
- Night Elf wall (just spotted this one, maybe split from WSG?)
- Updated Human Icebreaker
- Updated Human Ship

Hey, if you had time, maybe you could make a comprehensive list of all the unused/"familiar" major HD assets and post it somewhere? (like significant proof that Blizzard has the assets for a revamp)

[Jolly Roger]

Well no. My preferred expansion would be Undermine. Again, I believe 11.0 is Lightbound invasion purely based on timing and evidence. I haven’t really heard a good counter against the idea beyond a few people disliking Yrel and preferring pirates for some reason.

you have done the same thing in the past is the point

werent you trying to push the "shadowlands" leak that had a ghostbuster class because obviously that was the only thing possible
and not until the 11th hour do you ever change an opinion

as for pirates i wouldnt say those would be a main theme but sailing and visiting islands like telabim only to find its more than bananas and pygmys
plus one of your favorite characters is still wondering around and had ties to such seafaring groups

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Bit of projecting
Or possibly a late self realization??

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10.2 early November
12 months till next expac launch
11 months if you count prepatch
5 months if it's a standard 6 month season
4 months if they push it because final season before fated
4 month fated season is fine

Could also be wrong and 10.3 could exist

Either way we are gonna see Tyr tell Alex to make a choice between the original plan and Vyranoth and Alex will side with her

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I really do want a nice mini raid though...really miss those

no way vyranoth survives this expansion
shes going to sacrifice herself or get mind controlled or something

if tyr is connected to decay like it suggests then we have a chance he begs her for help in stopping its spread and she dies but not before showing Tyr the error of his ways because the writers seem to like mcfarlane