The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

you have done the same thing in the past is the point

werent you trying to push the "shadowlands" leak that had a ghostbuster class because obviously that was the only thing possible
and not until the 11th hour do you ever change an opinion

I wasn't "pushing" any leak. What happened is that that particular SL leak contained info about Tinkers doing "Ghostbusting" and I was laying out an argument of how that could be possible in order to fit the class into SL's thematic. This scenario seems plausible because a later leak stated that Tinkers were considered as a new class in SL but Blizzard just couldn't get them to fit the theme. If you remember, during the SL leak season, several Shadowlands leaks contained a Tinker class until around September/October, with the expansion being revealed in early November.

as for pirates i wouldnt say those would be a main theme but sailing and visiting islands like telabim only to find its more than bananas and pygmys
plus one of your favorite characters is still wondering around and had ties to such seafaring groups

Yeah, I don't believe we'll see Telabim (sp?) or other south seas areas until Undermine, since those islands are in the vicinity of Kezan.

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The counter has been people calling out your lack of evidence and you presenting your head canon as such.

We have Thrall on the BlizzCon key art a few months ago, and Infinite/Bronze drake temporal hijinks in 10.1.7. We also have hints from BFA and Shadowlands. A lightbound expansion also fits with a world revamp, Chris Metzen returning, 10th anniversary of WoD, 20th anniversary of WoW, and the Chinese predictor who I believe has been 100% accurate up to this point.

It's also simply more believable as an expansion concept. It has clear villains, a clear plot, and clear possible features, such as Arakkoa and Ogres as the two new races. In comparison we have nebulous expansion concepts that really don't match any of the evidence at hand beyond some loose connections to current raids and plot lines that will no doubt be resolved by the end of the expansion.

Is it 100% going to be the next expansion? No one is saying that. However given what we have, in my view it's by far the most likely.

[Cheezits]

The explicit tease of the Broken make me think that a Character Creation Screen rehaul is due. Because three Draenei options on the screen is to look crazy (and I think they are too different to be barber shop).

Also, really hoping for new HD backgrounds for characters.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is completely ridiculous conversation guys... what evidence do most characters have in the beginning, that burning Teldrassil was even done on purpose

Go read a good war and play BFA, the horde know she did it on purpose because a ton of soliders were there and heard her give the order, the alliance knows because Saurfang talks with Anduin about it and both Tyranda and Malf know he lead the charge so would have first hand info of what went down.

[Villager720]

The explicit tease of the Broken make me think that a Character Creation Screen rehaul is due. Because three Draenei options on the screen is to look crazy (and I think they are too different to be barber shop).

Also, really hoping for new HD backgrounds for characters.

Evidently the draenei racial “Gift of the Naaru” even changes its visual (to fel/sargeri) based on the new skin color options - which feels super interesting. We’ve never seen anything like that before within a race.

[Chickat]

Yeah, it is either Backside of Azeroth or Revamp in my view too.

Honestly, both are exciting prospects that take me out of the darkness that is the "End of 3 Raid Tiers/x.3 Death"/"Night Elves getting exiled to Dragon Isles".

Fundamentally, I cannot stress how much I am looking forward to see Opening Ceremony, Metzen, Keynotes and Development Panels after this nightmare ending of DF.

Also when Metzen came back they said he would be working on WoW for a bit before moving on yo other projects. What expansion would metzen be invaluable for? A narrative world revamp. Its possible they contacted him about it a year or so ago abd he agreed to come back and to help rebuild Azeroth.

[Shadowferal]

This is completely ridiculous conversation guys... what evidence do most characters have in the beginning, that burning Teldrassil was even done on purpose (It is a tree...), or part of any evil plan to cause mass death for the Jailer.

Wow...putting wow back in WoW. Your poor attempt to clean the hands of Sylvanas and Horde collaboration is only equaled by the incredibly poor writing that has sadly become the rule for Blizz. I'd advocate that if nothing else the undead should exult in their evil impulses as a matter of pride. But Blizz has as usual, stupidly moved beyond that point in their usual lack of graceful storytelling so as to encourage everyone to forget all the loose ends that they refuse to tie up.

[Scyth]

Evidently the draenei racial “Gift of the Naaru” even changes its visual (to fel/sargeri) based on the new skin color options - which feels super interesting. We’ve never seen anything like that before within a race.

Yeah it does. I didn't know this either but just checked on my Draenei. Very small thing and it's not a spell I use a lot but a nice change to have!

[Samin]

Im back once again

Now it's officially hype season.

A World Revamp expansion could be a way to do that, there are many hooks for such a class in a revamp. Avaloren could do it if they decided to give the civilizations there a steampunk theme which is always visually striking and would allow them to give completely different visuals for classic biome themes (steampunk + climate theme changes everything)

Plus steampunk armor for all classes.

Not excessively innovative, but imagine because of the Well of Eternity or whatever the backside of Azeroth is kind of magic starved so the place developed more technologically. Mostly interesting for the novelty of styles and themes this could bring to WoW.

[Xilurm]

Evidently the draenei racial “Gift of the Naaru” even changes its visual (to fel/sargeri) based on the new skin color options - which feels super interesting. We’ve never seen anything like that before within a race.

How could would it be to see changes like these based on race and stuff. Like for example Priests. I feel spell effects for Human and Night Elf priests should be different. Draenei too. They have different concepts of light in their minds. One is Holy Light. One is Elune. Another is Naaru.

[Sondrelk]

How could would it be to see changes like these based on race and stuff. Like for example Priests. I feel spell effects for Human and Night Elf priests should be different. Draenei too. They have different concepts of light in their minds. One is Holy Light. One is Elune. Another is Naaru.

I could see that being a big selling point in 11.0, similar to how the Talent and Profession revamps were big selling points in Dragonflight.
Maybe just a few changes like different coloured effects for priests, or different tooltips for Tauren paladins, etc.

[Xilurm]

I could see that being a big selling point in 11.0, similar to how the Talent and Profession revamps were big selling points in Dragonflight.
Maybe just a few changes like different coloured effects for priests, or different tooltips for Tauren paladins, etc.

It would be very immersive, especially if they are going to make every class available to everyone.

[Nymrohd]

It would be very immersive, especially if they are going to make every class available to everyone.

Class skins, particularly for racial customization, are the best idea the community has had.

[Revamp Man]

I wasn't "pushing" any leak. What happened is that that particular SL leak contained info about Tinkers doing "Ghostbusting" and I was laying out an argument of how that could be possible in order to fit the class into SL's thematic. This scenario seems plausible because a later leak stated that Tinkers were considered as a new class in SL but Blizzard just couldn't get them to fit the theme. If you remember, during the SL leak season, several Shadowlands leaks contained a Tinker class until around September/October, with the expansion being revealed in early November.



Yeah, I don't believe we'll see Telabim (sp?) or other south seas areas until Undermine, since those islands are in the vicinity of Kezan.

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We have Thrall on the BlizzCon key art a few months ago, and Infinite/Bronze drake temporal hijinks in 10.1.7. We also have hints from BFA and Shadowlands. A lightbound expansion also fits with a world revamp, Chris Metzen returning, 10th anniversary of WoD, 20th anniversary of WoW, and the Chinese predictor who I believe has been 100% accurate up to this point.

It's also simply more believable as an expansion concept. It has clear villains, a clear plot, and clear possible features, such as Arakkoa and Ogres as the two new races. In comparison we have nebulous expansion concepts that really don't match any of the evidence at hand beyond some loose connections to current raids and plot lines that will no doubt be resolved by the end of the expansion.

Is it 100% going to be the next expansion? No one is saying that. However given what we have, in my view it's by far the most likely.

Chinese prediction for 11.0 is elements not light invasion

[Murlocos]

Ion's stance on the Observer pet have totally dampened any of my hopes for proper racial spell customization. The mythical "PvPer that shuts down if he sees a spell effect he doesn't recognize in a nanosecond" seems to be their convenient excuse for why night elf and orc paladins will be using the Light. The only player who has their feedback heeded more by Blizzard is that one who always wishes he could just spend money on something instead of needing to play the game.

[Revamp Man]

I'd love a spellblade support spec for mage
Melee spec
Enchant your weapons and debuff enemies
Things like mass barrier
Mass double hero
Time magic debuff to store and double damage

[Teriz]

Admittedly, it is somewhat baffling that the game was released without it. It definitely makes it difficult to roleplay gnomes and goblins effectively due to how fundamental an unplayable class is to their identity. While you can just take the engineering profession, it still will eternally play second fiddle to a class that will invariably not fit the race as well as a dedicated tinker class would.

That's been a core problem for years, only made worse by pushing the concept even harder in more recent expansions like MoP and BFA. It's quite disappointing to see Mekkatorque and Gallywix engage in ground and aerial mech battles in BFA and not be able to partake in that fantasy on any level.

Hopefully they're saving everything for an Undermine expansion.

[Sondrelk]

Chinese prediction for 11.0 is elements not light invasion

And how would elements be shown differently from how they are a major factor in this expansion? Is the world revamp specifically for Deepholm and Vashj'ir?

[Cheezits]

Ion's stance on the Observer pet have totally dampened any of my hopes for proper racial spell customization. The mythical "PvPer that shuts down if he sees a spell effect he doesn't recognize in a nanosecond" seems to be their convenient excuse for why night elf and orc paladins will be using the Light. The only player who has their feedback heeded more by Blizzard is that one who always wishes he could just spend money on something instead of needing to play the game.

There are far more crazy Nelf fans than there are people using Water Elemental and Observer.

Considering that one change is like the ONLY unpopular change they haven't caved on in DF, there is probably a backdoor reason for why that's not just "Lol we hate RP".

[Teriz]

Chinese prediction for 11.0 is elements not light invasion

Thrall and the heroes of the alliance and horde could use Azeroth's elements to repel a light invasion. Essentially the Shaminism of the Orcs versus the Light/Naaru power of the Draenei.

[Murlocos]

There are far more crazy Nelf fans than there are people using Water Elemental and Observer.

Considering that one change is like the ONLY unpopular change they haven't caved on in DF, there is probably a backdoor reason for why that's not just "Lol we hate RP".

Hey, that didn't stop them from making that heritage questline and going through the whole heritage armor variant and tattoo downgrade debacle!

In all seriousness, the Velen questline has had me thinking about how uneven the overall writing of Dragonflight has been. Not that it's a brand new feeling, but it feels very pronounced this time around. I'll get into it later.