The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Okay yeah, so the kid is a fake heir or the quest designer forgot the details of her kid.

Or time travel. Or he's Nathrezim. Or she's pretending to be a boy and the unseen commander is someone else.

Unless Dickmann's right,—he could be, but I'm not sure of that yet,—I'm personally most inclined to stick with my theory that she was just raised as a male for political reasons and only recently consolidated enough power to drop the charade.

[Woggmer]

To give a more specific timeframe, we got the Scarlet pamphlets around BfA. That would mean she would be in the ballpark of 17 at the oldest during that time: Reign of Chaos began in year 20 and BfA ended in year 35. Definitely agree that CDev isn't going to go that way.

If the pamphlets are true, it would explain this one question I've had for a while about that questline.

How did the Scarlet Crusade occupy Fenris Isle? Last I checked, that place was under Worgen occupation with the Bloodfang Pack.... Not just in BFA from the mission tables but even in the Traveling Azeroth: Eastern Kingdom book that Shaw wrote.

The pamphlets did mention that they were planning to use Greymane as a pawn to further their agenda.. so there is one possibility that Greymane gets Gilneas back and restored with the Scarlet's help, in exchange of giving them a foothold on Fenris Isle close to Lordaeron.

[Nymrohd]

Whatever, I just hope that if a Revamp happens, Forsaken get a proper dock. They have these super cool ships and they have NO docks. I think in the older Warcraft maps, the Lordamere would flow into the sea at around Dalaran; Silverpine was effectively not there essentially so Lordaeron City could be a port. But that cannot happen for WoW so the Forsaken need a decent dock somewhere. And I'd rather Stratholme Bay goes to the Argent Dawn so I guess the only place left is Agamand Mills or Solliden Farmstead

Also always wanted for there to be a dock in Orgrimmar with the cliffs between the city and the sea breaking at some point and allow for ships to sail through creating a very protected dock.

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If the pamphlets are true, it would explain this one question I've had for a while about that questline.

How did the Scarlet Crusade occupy Fenris Isle? Last I checked, that place was under Worgen occupation with the Bloodfang Pack.... Not just in BFA from the mission tables but even in the Traveling Azeroth: Eastern Kingdom book that Shaw wrote.

The pamphlets did mention that they were planning to use Greymane as a pawn to further their agenda.. so there is one possibility that Greymane gets Gilneas back and restored with the Scarlet's help, in exchange of giving them a foothold on Fenris Isle close to Lordaeron.

That sounds like the factions being hostile to each other and we cannot have that anymore.

[Cheezits]

A revamped Lordaeron/Quel'thalas has the chance to be the coolest area in the game.

[Valkorion1337]

I dunno, discord parties can end up in disaster rather quickly.



Discord isn't region restricted, and for us the con starts at around 19/20:00.
If anything, the muricans would have it difficult as the annoucements happen in the morning to early afternoon for them.

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Can't do, the angles don't line up.

But i can make the guy whisper seductively into thralls ear.

I was playing the cowboy aaaaaahyeeeeaaaaahhhh song while I was staring at this picture and I was crying my eyes out lol

[Woggmer]

That sounds like the factions being hostile to each other and we cannot have that anymore.

Then how else did the Scarlets get Fenris Isle... because I repeat, not only did the Bloodfang Pack hold the island in occupation during BFA, but according to Shaw's account, they also kept artifacts from Shadowfang Keep in that castle.

For all we know, it was a deal that Genn made back when Sylvanas was still in charge but since Sylvanas isn't in charge anymore, he probably regrets ever making a deal with the Scarlets and wants to end it before the Forsaken find out. This is how the Alliance gets involved in fighting the Scarlet Crusade. (This way we can have the Horde fighting to keep the Forsaken around and the Alliance reason for going is to end the deal they made with Genn by killing them.)

[Cheezits]

Then how else did the Scarlets get Fenris Isle... because I repeat, not only did the Bloodfang Pack hold the island in occupation during BFA, but according to Shaw's account, they also kept artifacts from Shadowfang Keep in that castle.

For all we know, it was a deal that Genn made back when Sylvanas was still in charge but since Sylvanas isn't in charge anymore, he probably regrets ever making a deal with the Scarlets and wants to end it before the Forsaken find out. This is how the Alliance gets involved in fighting the Scarlet Crusade. (This way we can have the Horde fighting to keep the Forsaken around and the Alliance reason for going is to end the deal they made with Genn by killing them.)

Honestly I think it just means that the Worgen are back in Gilneas at this point, even if that goes against Danuser saying we would play through the reclamation.

Which waa honestly bullshit, because Gilneas sitting untouched over a five year timeskip is ridiculous.

[Pantupino]

Brings tears to my eyes, LET THE TRAIN RUN WILD!

[Raetary]

I moved Metzen to make more space.

[Sondrelk]

I moved Metzen to make more space.

Just realized, Ragnaros legs are far too chunky. Slim them down by about 50%

[Raetary]

He's gonna have toothpick legs if i made them slimmer.

I intend to cover his legs up with something once i find or someone suggests something i can paste over.

[Sondrelk]

Also, shouldn't the bananas be inside the stew pot?

[Teriz]

We don't NEED Draenor for playable Ogres. Lots of people missed it, but Seething Shore had Ogre architecture. It was just a beach of a much larger land mass off the west coast of Silithus/Feralas.

It’s the most likely entry point though, since the ogres on Draenor were far more organized and we interacted heavily with their civilization during WoD. Additionally, Draenor ogres allows the alliance to get Arakkoa. Another highly requested race.

As for the “leaked image” gaining traction, I still contend that it is orcs warped by the light/naaru, because I don’t believe we’d venture back into Shadowlands lore so quickly, and Blizzard has never seemed too keen for us to dive completely into an old gods expansion.

[Nightshade711]

I don’t believe we’d venture back into Shadowlands lore so quickly

We’ve been touching back on/venturing into Shadowlands lore throughout the Xpac, especially Ardenweald.

Even next patch they all make an appearance in the Emerald Dream zone.

[Skildar]

you're not prepared for a cinematic reveal of the next expansion with a video focused solely on Gallywix and how he banded all brokers of every worlds and dimensions

joke aside, the chances of us seeing this little rascal next expansion are quite big. If they decide to show him in a similar way as they did during the Shadowlands, it could become funny and interesting.

[Teriz]

We’ve been touching back on/venturing into Shadowlands lore throughout the Xpac, especially Ardenweald.

Even next patch they all make an appearance in the Emerald Dream zone.

There’s a big difference between Ardenweald being part of a patch dealing with the Emerald Dream, and Shadowlands 2.0 being the next expansion.

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you're not prepared for a cinematic reveal of the next expansion with a video focused solely on Gallywix and how he banded all brokers of every worlds and dimensions

joke aside, the chances of us seeing this little rascal next expansion are quite big. If they decide to show him in a similar way as they did during the Shadowlands, it could become funny and interesting.

I believe we’ll see Gallywix as part of an Undermine expansion. Whenever that occurs is anyone’s guess.

[Cheezits]

Maybe the moonkin animations suggest we're getting a slightly smaller iteration of Ogres vs a half-measure with Mok'nathal?

[Teriz]

Maybe the moonkin animations suggest we're getting a slightly smaller iteration of Ogres vs a half-measure with Mok'nathal?

I don't think Blizzard wants to dive too deeply into the origins of the Mok'nathal to make them a playable race. Their story is a bit problematic.

[Raetary]

If we get a new race, i want it to be Botani.
They got some nice ED lore potential given that Azeroth lacks the spirit that made the everbloom as powerful as it was.

[Santandame]

Maybe the moonkin animations suggest we're getting a slightly smaller iteration of Ogres vs a half-measure with Mok'nathal?

I reckon if they do Ogres it’s either the full hog or Mok’nothal. I don’t think they’ll ever go for smaller Ogres or any other hybrid.

If these animations do in fact confirm Ogres as playable then it’s seemingly even more evidence for a World Revamp. I could see them starting in either Feralas with Dire Maul as their capital or in Dustwallow as the Horde’s Ogre allies settled there. They could build upon the ruins of Theramore and then at least they’re close to both Durotar and The Barrens.

As an outside chance I could see it indicating South Seas with us seeing Ogrezonia.

Outside of Ogres as playable then I think we could get a few others if it’s a World Revamp:

Ankoan (Alliance) - have them settle in Vash’jir as their starter zone and capital. It’s close to Stormwind too.

Broken (Alliance) - Feels like we’re getting closer to that point and they’re thematically and aesthetically different enough to Draenei to get their own race. As far as starter zone goes then it just makes sense to lump them where the Draenei start. Sort of like Orcs/Trolls and Dwarves/Gnomes in classic.

Another race for Horde I’m quite stuck on. I don’t think Naga fit a world revamp expansion and Hozen I just can’t ever see as playable. Mogu seem like the most likely option out if what we have left and they do fit the Horde thematically. One other potential option is the Dragon Isles Centaur. They’re a Horde race to a tee and the Baine questline may be the precursor to them as playable and joining the Horde. Tuskarr are also an option I guess.