The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Baraden]

Lightforged Army or Dark Alliance

Either way it's going to be a subversion of traditional values (the light/ alliance always being the good guys)

Though thinking about it, both of these would make more sense as an expansion rather than one or the other

Turalyon and Alleria using this time to catch up on the events in their absence, find out about Yrel and her army - conspire to eradicate the Horde for good at some kind of event where all leaders are present - plan is thwarted at the cost of major lore figure, Genn would be my bet, causing Anduin to come back and take control only to find that many are loyal to Turalyon after the fourth war and the fact the Horde basically got a stay of execution a second time; Alliance civil war commences with Turalyon's major goal being to bring Yrel and the Naaru to our universe to cleanse it of the Horde, and Anduin finally stepping out of his father's shadow and the regrets of the events of Shadowlands and becoming the King he's meant to be

The Alliance story will be mainly focused on stopping Turalyon himself
The Horde story will be more focused on Yrel and freeing the Orcs left on Draenor

[Cheezits]

I've been scared about the Frontier name and the ropes on the Human buildings for a while now. If they skip revamping EK/Kalimdor for another new continent, but with racial areas, I will likely be skipping the expansion.

Amirdrassil and the Nelves moving in are the one thing that gives me the most hope for a full revamp of racial cities, at the very least

[guro-tchai]

My original concept for Mists 3.0 was Gallywix being a thinly veiled caricature of the once and future US president and turning Ironforge into a parking lot. Sadly, his eviction made it impossible. Maybe Bob can poach Ironforge instead as part of a dwarf-elf feud.

no, i have seen what will happen: in Cata 3.0 Durak will replace Med'an and Thrall as the ridiculously OP shaman. he will try to commune with the elements in an attempt to improve the harsh climate of Dun Morogh, but will turn Ironforge into the new Blackrock instead. most of the expansion is basically Thrall's therapy and wedding, but imporved and massively extended following community feedback. as a bold affirmation of the value of renewal and ability to overcome our wounds, none other than miraculously survived Dagran Jr. will accompany Durak on his journey of self-acceptance - and as he's not the son Golden never had, they will end up together, officializing the union between the Alliance and the Horde.
dwarven souls also sent to turbo-hell, to explain why Sylv still isn't back from her community service. more job, soz. in reality, they won't be able to come up with any kind of role for her, so an excuse is welcome.

[Luck4]

I moved Metzen to make more space.

I liked the "ghostly" Metzen staring in delight at the train amalgamation better.

[Santandame]

I've been scared about the Frontier name and the ropes on the Human buildings for a while now. If they skip revamping EK/Kalimdor for another new continent, but with racial areas, I will likely be skipping the expansion.

Amirdrassil and the Nelves moving in are the one thing that gives me the most hope for a full revamp of racial cities, at the very least

Agreed. Isn’t for me. If we’re exploring a new continent then just have it be a new land with new cultures. We don’t need an imitation of EK and Kalimdor.

[Teriz]

Lightforged Army or Dark Alliance

Either way it's going to be a subversion of traditional values (the light/ alliance always being the good guys)

Though thinking about it, both of these would make more sense as an expansion rather than one or the other

Turalyon and Alleria using this time to catch up on the events in their absence, find out about Yrel and her army - conspire to eradicate the Horde for good at some kind of event where all leaders are present - plan is thwarted at the cost of major lore figure, Genn would be my bet, causing Anduin to come back and take control only to find that many are loyal to Turalyon after the fourth war and the fact the Horde basically got a stay of execution a second time; Alliance civil war commences with Turalyon's major goal being to bring Yrel and the Naaru to our universe to cleanse it of the Horde, and Anduin finally stepping out of his father's shadow and the regrets of the events of Shadowlands and becoming the King he's meant to be

The Alliance story will be mainly focused on stopping Turalyon himself
The Horde story will be more focused on Yrel and freeing the Orcs left on Draenor

I largely believe this is what’s going to happen as well, but in a different way. I see either an infinite or a bronze drake opening multiple portals to AU Draenor, pretty much destroying it in the process, and allowing Arakkoa and Ogres to enter at different points on Azeroth. The after effects of this could be the 11.0 pre-release event. Yrel’s army enters last as AU Draenor is destroyed, kicking off the expansion release.

I could see a scenario where Turalyon and others (mainly the LF Draenei) in the alliance back Yrel, since she’s just really building an army of the light. Thrall would outright oppose her because of the Mag’har, and you have those in the alliance kind of stuck in the middle. This gives you a new faction war without tossing the outcome of BFA in the dumpster, and opens the door for Anduin’s return as king.

All of that in the backdrop of a revamped Azeroth.

[Santandame]

If the capital cities get radically revamped alongside the old world next expansion, what would you like to see?

- A dock in Orgrimmar?
- New districts added to Stormwind or changes ti current ones?
- Stormwind Vaults?
- Underhold in Orgrimmar being accessible?
- Expanding further into the depths of Ironforge?
- The Darkspears building a city on the Echo Isles or turning Sen’jin Village into a major port town?
- Exodar in the sky with a more modern Draenei city/town below it in the style of Shattrath from WoD?

[Raetary]

I liked the "ghostly" Metzen staring in delight at the train amalgamation better.

I did too, but with 7 more weeks to go i'd rather have the space for other stuff and then move him back later.

[Sondrelk]

If the capital cities get radically revamped alongside the old world next expansion, what would you like to see?

- A dock in Orgrimmar?
- New districts added to Stormwind or changes ti current ones?
- Stormwind Vaults?
- Underhold in Orgrimmar being accessible?
- Expanding further into the depths of Ironforge?
- The Darkspears building a city on the Echo Isles or turning Sen’jin Village into a major port town?
- Exodar in the sky with a more modern Draenei city/town below it in the style of Shattrath from WoD?

For Stormwind i would like mostly just graphical revamps and more added Easter eggs and hidden areas. I would also love to see Stormwind vaults as either a questing area, or alternatively as a full blown dungeon at max level as a nod to Stockades. (Obviously with an entrance outside Stormwind itself for Horde players).

Ironforge i would love if they added more exits. The one to the airstrip is a must, but I would also love one to the Wetlands.

Undercroft in Orgrimmar similarly made into an endgame dungeon as a nod to Ragefire chasm. Maybe it quite as necessary given Siege of Orgrimmar took place there, but still.

The Draenei are the ones that I think deserve the biggest upgrades. Make a medium sized city aboveground using Argus and Draenor assets, as well as moving the Vindicaar above it.

[Nibelheimy]

I've hoped for hozen a long time, can give them a little story with the monkey king taking them into the water of the vales and becoming a new evolved hozen that stands more readily on two legs with a slightly higher intelligence. Similar to how Jinyu evolved from Murlocs this way.

[Baraden]

I largely believe this is what’s going to happen as well, but in a different way. I see either an infinite or a bronze drake opening multiple portals to AU Draenor, pretty much destroying it in the process, and allowing Arakkoa and Ogres to enter at different points on Azeroth. The after effects of this could be the 11.0 pre-release event. Yrel’s army enters last as AU Draenor is destroyed, kicking off the expansion release.

I could see a scenario where Turalyon and others (mainly the LF Draenei) in the alliance back Yrel, since she’s just really building an army of the light. Thrall would outright oppose her because of the Mag’har, and you have those in the alliance kind of stuck in the middle. This gives you a new faction war without tossing the outcome of BFA in the dumpster, and opens the door for Anduin’s return as king.

All of that in the backdrop of a revamped Azeroth.

I know people harp on about a revamped azeroth but honestly it's the best move - we really don't need a new continent - how often does anyone go to the shadowlands or draenor anymore? Bringing every EK and Kalimdor zone up to the quality of Arathi would be a lot of work but would go far to future proof the game - I wouldn't even mind if it wasn't all at once, just the zones that need it as the story develops

It's silly that we're still cleaning up the cataclysm 10 years later

[Nibelheimy]

If the capital cities get radically revamped alongside the old world next expansion, what would you like to see?

- A dock in Orgrimmar?
- New districts added to Stormwind or changes ti current ones?
- Stormwind Vaults?
- Underhold in Orgrimmar being accessible?
- Expanding further into the depths of Ironforge?
- The Darkspears building a city on the Echo Isles or turning Sen’jin Village into a major port town?
- Exodar in the sky with a more modern Draenei city/town below it in the style of Shattrath from WoD?

My hope is if capital cities are revamped the character creation is also done. Just a little more specifity in subraces. Exodar in the sky would be nice and warcraft is heavily missing the city in the sky aesthetic I'd hoped was coming during WoD with the hinted aroakoa sky citadel. Little sections for broken, manari, lightforged and regular draenei too.

[Baraden]

If the capital cities get radically revamped alongside the old world next expansion, what would you like to see?

- A dock in Orgrimmar?
- New districts added to Stormwind or changes ti current ones?
- Stormwind Vaults?
- Underhold in Orgrimmar being accessible?
- Expanding further into the depths of Ironforge?
- The Darkspears building a city on the Echo Isles or turning Sen’jin Village into a major port town?
- Exodar in the sky with a more modern Draenei city/town below it in the style of Shattrath from WoD?

Gnomeregan and the Echo isles becoming full blown cities akin to Ironforge or Thunder bluff to replace the cities we lost in BFA would be great

[Hitei]

I've been scared about the Frontier name and the ropes on the Human buildings for a while now. If they skip revamping EK/Kalimdor for another new continent, but with racial areas, I will likely be skipping the expansion.

Amirdrassil and the Nelves moving in are the one thing that gives me the most hope for a full revamp of racial cities, at the very least

Seems like such a weird line to draw. Did you skip Legion and Wrath? New continents with racial areas aren't a new thing.

[Marlamin]

Mate you've got Taylor Swift taking up 10% of the image.

Chris Metzen, the father of Warcraft, is returning to save the franchise and BlizzCon from mediocrity and you offer him a pixel.

it is tradition

[Nibelheimy]

Got me reminiscing about prior hype trains and I don't remember which one it was, but my contribution was a fel empowered lore walker cho. I kinda miss him and I'm sad the lore walkers weren't brought in with each expansion to write history as it happens.

[Cheezits]

Seems like such a weird line to draw. Did you skip Legion and Wrath? New continents with racial areas aren't a new thing.

No, but a completely new continent with old racial areas, when the old world and factions are in desperate need of updates, would suck IMO.

I want to know what's going on with Gilneas, not New Gilneas. I want to see how the Plaguelands have progressed, not a New Blood Elf town on Avaloren.

I'd be fine with Avaloren/Whatever having racial areas, but not as a replacement for a revamp. If they treat a new continent as EK/Kalimdor 3.0 I'm done.

[Nymrohd]

It is sacrilege.

Make your own train mate.

[Raetary]

Mate you've got Taylor Swift taking up 10% of the image.

Chris Metzen, the father of Warcraft, is returning to save the franchise and BlizzCon from mediocrity and you offer him a pixel.

There you go, now Swift is smaller and Metzen is present in spirit as well as physically on the train.

And he has a handsome smile now too.

[Nibelheimy]

No, but a completely new continent with old racial areas, when the old world and factions are in desperate need of updates, would suck IMO.

I want to know what's going on with Gilneas, not New Gilneas. I want to see how the Plaguelands have progressed, not a New Blood Elf town on Avaloren.

I've got my girlfriend to give wow a try a few months ago and I agree from how she's been explaining her experiences. With how she's put it, if not for me explaining where to go and what to do she would never have made it past her first month of playtime and continued due to how bizzare and fragmented the levelling experiences are right now.

On a side not, flying into borean tundra via zeppelin into warsong hold and just flying straight out to do secrets of Azeroth, she was asking wow this place is huge, whats it for? And despite numerous lore catchup compilations theres no way of explaining or showing how epic flying into that zone the first time was. It was kind of sad to just be like yeah, here's a very brief explanation, that's cool right. Shame, anyway let's go click this sack in the sand in dragonflight and hearth back to Dragon isles so Toddy can assault our ears.

Hopefully if a remake ever comes, new players will get to experience those classic moments we all did too.

A new player starting, trying dracthyr with their horrendous transmog issue, is not getting the experience many of us got back then. I think and hope that can and will be changed.

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There you go, now Swift is smaller and Metzen is present in spirit as well as physically on the train.

Any chance we can add a goblin with an immortan Joe mask riding the train? For the gadgetzan tanaris mad max speculation. - I just noticed the tuskar already has one, no worries!