The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ebonn]

Okay but fr tho, I wouldn't at all be against a Draenei City of that level across Amethyst Isle, assuming we get a World Revamp of course!!!

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Aight, gotcha.

No idea where the Justicar came from, nor do I understand why Ersula mentioned it.

Me neither, I actually looked it up to see if it was something I just never heard of, but I don’t blame them because Warcraft as a universe is like 20+ years old now so one could be forgiven for missing a few names or facts from the lore lol.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Going off Genedar and Exodar, I was always hoping before 7.3 that we'd invade the Legion with a ship called the Reveladar, Revedar, etc. Kind of a shame they moved off the Biblical naming scheme into the fairly meaningless "Xenedar" and "Vindicaar". Hope they go back to it if we see a new Army of the Light fleet.

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Okay but fr tho, I wouldn't at all be against a Draenei City of that level across Amethyst Isle, assuming we get a World Revamp of course!!!

Would be nice to see. The Burning Crusade is over. I think the draenei ought to start constructing a proper civilization on Azeroth now.

[Bsirk]

This sounds great though. Gallywix's Inside Story!

Not even kidding, you get a lot of zone variety with anatomy.

You know how WoW likes its poop quests. lol

[Hitei]

Going off Genedar and Exodar, I was always hoping before 7.3 that we'd invade the Legion with a ship called the Reveladar, Revedar, etc. Kind of a shame they moved off the Biblical naming scheme into the fairly meaningless "Xenedar" and "Vindicaar". Hope they go back to it if we see a new Army of the Light fleet.

Vindicaar is from the latin root vindicta ("vengeance", as in vindictive), like Vindicators. The Vindicaar is the ship they built after being attacked on Azeroth, finally deciding to stop running, take a stand and strike back against the Legion.

Xenedar is from the greek root xenos ("stranger", "alien", as in xenophobia), because it's a Light ship (per A Thousand Years of War) designed for long voyages through the Twisting Nether, an alien realm. This was changed from its original intended name Benedar, an straight use of bene ("good", as in beneficial) because it is the ship of the Army of Light, the supposedly holy and benevolent force.

[Nymrohd]

Going off Genedar and Exodar, I was always hoping before 7.3 that we'd invade the Legion with a ship called the Reveladar, Revedar, etc.

See, Genesis and Exodus are just nouns (that are in common use still in Greek). The vast majority of the bible book names are apostles and prophets. Very few of those that are words lend themselves to this naming sceme. Though I guess we could go with Numedar. But best skip trying to use Leviticus.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I wonder what will be the price for virtual ticket this year and also what will it actually include besides in game goodies, since show will be free to watch.

Last time it was 49.99$, now it might be 60$ but still, without the streams maybe they won't higher the price.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder what will be the price for virtual ticket this year and also what will it actually include besides in game goodies, since show will be free to watch.

Last time it was 49.99$, now it might be 60$ but still, without the streams maybe they won't higher the price.

Oh please, they will just sell tender with it.

[Raetary]

The should repurpose the Exodar into a temple and build the city around it.

[Nymrohd]

The Exodar was completely operational and ready to leave as per the Prophet's Lesson. The death of O'ros should make it impossible to turn the thing on though. The issue is that the introduction of the Vindicaar makes it sound like they never repaired the Exodar and instead dedicated all their efforts to building the lesser craft.

Ideally I'd want a proper city in Azuremyst centered on a repaired Exodar that would be floating (over the sea? with a port at a lower level of the city) only it would be open-air in some manner while a new version of Auchindoun would be in Bloodmyst housing O'ros, then the Draenei would have at least one major town in Night Song, Ashenvale. We'd also need a place for the new Council of Exarchs to meet. Romuul is clearly Chief Artificer but then we need a Rangari, Vindicator, Auchenai and someone to stand for the people of the new capital or perhaps that place is replaced with a Broken representative like Nobundo or alternatively if they join, Akama or Hatuun. I'd assume Boros would be the High Vindicator but I don't think there are good fits for a Rangari Prime (maybe Anaeli or Arepheon will be used for this?) or Speaker for the Dead. They could make Xyrella canon and have her lead the Auchenai.
That said in a proper revamp I'd hope that the northern coast of Kalimdor is at least slightly utilized; right now it is just a WALL of cliffs which is so weird and unnatural. You could add levels to that place and then place things on them (leading to the massive caverns beneath Hyjal which could be a zone by themselves); e.g.
the ruins of a Dark Troll city featuring an old temple to Elune with maybe writings about which Ancients they favored and how they called them as Loa
the caverns of some Spider Ancient (the trolls have a spider Loa but imo the Night Elves should have had one as well; in early WoW they had Elune favour a spider for whatever reason after all and a silver spider whose webs "collect" the moonlight would be very thematic. Plus they could reuse the Faldorei there
and ofc why not another draenei town hanging on a cliff, they build in multiple elevations all over Draenor

[huth]

The Exodar was completely operational and ready to leave as per the Prophet's Lesson. The death of O'ros should make it impossible to turn the thing on though. The issue is that the introduction of the Vindicaar makes it sound like they never repaired the Exodar and instead dedicated all their efforts to building the lesser craft.

I don't think "lesser" is accurate here. It's a different class. The Exodar is a transport. The Vindicaar is a dedicated assault vessel.

It's smaller, but by no means weaker. Quite the opposite, given that it just sat around in the open on Argus and was no worse for the wear, while the Xenedar experienced some minor complications when it didn't hide.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think "lesser" is accurate here. It's a different class. The Exodar is a transport. The Vindicaar is a dedicated assault vessel.

It's smaller, but by no means weaker. Quite the opposite, given that it just sat around in the open on Argus and was no worse for the wear, while the Xenedar experienced some minor complications when it didn't hide.

I'd assume the Xenedar's issue was the lack of X'era to power up its shields.

[Lady Atia]

I'm in 11.0 Reveal-Bingo brainstorming mood, so here are some things I wanna see next Expansion:

- Timewalking revamp to have it being up more frequently (but still focused on a single expansion per week), including old open world content
- Timewalking Raids going through a whole expansion, make it a bit like the dragonriding coup to spread it out. For example for TBC timewalking it would be awesome to get a big campaign quest which leads us through the dungeons and raids and ends with Hand of A'dal as a title again - people who got it the old way still have an unique FoS. Other expansions could re-intruduce old Ahead of the Curve mounts, or the Naxx proto drakes as a final reward for this. Hell, I would even love an updated version of the Call of the Scarab event that ends with the HD black drone. They can easily fill 6 months of timewalking events with that per expansion. Also for the love of god, please add achievements for the timewalking versions of dungeons and raids.
- PvP revamp with the Solo RBG Queues, which is already in work and will hopefully ready with 11.0 launch.
- Bring back old Gladiator and Elite rewards via vicious saddles and marks of honor, the casual way just like people can farm Mythic endboss mounts down the line. Make it so that people still get an unique FoS and 2 expansions until the stuff gets released. To make it fair, M+ seasonal mounts will also come back after 2 expansions.
- HD revamp for old classic/tbc mounts, just replace them please
- Now that we got specific profession achievements, maybe some class achievements like we had in Diablo 3 would be fun too!
- Housing
- Increase the account-wide character cap again please
- Hopefully new races
- All classes (besides Evokers) for all Races

All in all, I want them to go all in on destroying FOMO and bringing everything back once enough time has gone by, while still giving people who owned the original stuff a FoS, just like they did with the recent crafting FoS's. The Game is 19 years old, just release all the stuff that collects dust and is barely seen anyways. People who wanna feel "special" can still get things while they are hard and current.


Stuff that I could see them doing:
- Prolly some kind of trading post update to make it even more like a battlepass, or even the switch from monthly sub to battlepass with the trading post as free to play option?
- Either revamp or Avaloren, but I'm part of Team World Revamp this time. Dragonflight is great at retaining players, now they need nostalgia to get people back who left during Shadowlands. Make it feel a bit like Mortal Kombat 1, market it as a fresh start in Kalimdor/EK with modern graphics, gameplay and endgame. Save Avaloren for 12.0 and use 11.0 to spread even more hints about it through the world. But in the end, I personally don't really care about the location as long as they continue to make the base game better for anyone.

[huth]

I'd assume the Xenedar's issue was the lack of X'era to power up its shields.

That would be quite the design failure for a combat vessel, though.

[Nymrohd]

That would be quite the design failure for a combat vessel, though.

Who knows. Are the Dimensional ships combat vessels? Who even made them? The Draenei can clearly replicate them. I'd assume they would be supposed to hide after X'era decided to dispatch her core to Azeroth.

[Annihilas]

He promised to write Calia fanfiction if 10.2 is the last major content patch of Dragonflight.

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I mean, if he has plenty of ammunition, that may indicate there's a grain of truth to his inference. As I've said before, although Teriz is painfully repetitive, he has been right in the past.

He won't have to write it anyway, as far as I can see... That one "leak" already beat him to it, well sort of, but I have to admit that they really know their lore. Really gives me a feeling that calia will be the one to bring back the Scarlet crusade Could you imagine seeing Darion and Renault meet again, going toe to toe in some sort of Dark Undead Vs. Light Undead rivalry of two brothers, or something like that? That Lordaeron map a few pages back really gets me excited for an "Old World Redux!", both lore and landmass included; don't you think there's potential for this to be an epic comeback for this game? I think so!

[Nymrohd]

He won't have to write it anyway, as far as I can see... That one "leak" already beat him to it, well sort of, but I have to admit that they really know their lore. Really gives me a feeling that calia will be the one to bring back the Scarlet crusade Could you imagine seeing Darion and Renault meet again, going toe to toe in some sort of Dark Undead Vs. Light Undead rivalry of two brothers, or something like that? That Lordaeron map a few pages back really gets me excited for an "Old World Redux!", both lore and landmass included; don't you think there's potential for this to be an epic comeback for this game? I think so!

Honestly I still wish we could get a Seven Kingdoms AU to match WoD. And of all the places in vanilla, Lordaeron is the one that needs a proper revamp that alters the landmass the most. Like, WHERE is Alterac Valley? There is nowhere to place it in the current map.

[Teriz]

Reaching back a page or so regarding races: what do yall think of there being any chance that the next race to be added does the Pandaren neutrality thing again? For the record I don't particularly think we need any new races at the moment, but I didn't see this possibility brought up, so...

No, because we just got the Dracthyr.

Arakkoa and Ogres are my picks for next races (if we get any).

[Annihilas]

Honestly I still wish we could get a Seven Kingdoms AU to match WoD. And of all the places in vanilla, Lordaeron is the one that needs a proper revamp that alters the landmass the most. Like, WHERE is Alterac Valley? There is nowhere to place it in the current map.

That was an idea I had a year ago, but then I thought of Azshara / the Highborne, and how much cooler it would be to do Pre-Sundering AU! Dark Trolls, Elves all the pristine architecture... Then I saw Bellular's chat with Matt, they were saying a Pre-Titan Ordered expansion with the real story of how it was before, but it could be too risky maybe, I don't know!

Sorry I digress, but yeah, the idea of placing the BGs into the world map would be so cool!

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Would be a challenge for Warsong Gulch, how would you place it on the border of 2 zones?

[Dracullus]

changing the progression curve from vertical to horizontal for the next expansion would definitely be perfect

Yeah, if you want truly kill wow.

[Nymrohd]

That was an idea I had a year ago, but then I thought of Azshara / the Highborne, and how much cooler it would be to do Pre-Sundering AU! Dark Trolls, Elves all the pristine architecture... Then I saw Bellular's chat with Matt, they were saying a Pre-Titan Ordered expansion with the real story of how it was before, but it could be too risky maybe, I don't know!

Sorry I digress, but yeah, the idea of placing the BGs into the world map would be so cool!

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Would be a challenge for Warsong Gulch, how would you place it on the border of 2 zones?

See I don't need Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin or really, most of the Battlegrounds in game. The concept of the Gulch exists in Ashenvale; not the exact map but the idea of it. Same with Arathi. But Alterac Valley actually has lore, it is the home of the Frostwolf, it has Frost Troll villages and significant Titan ruins (that have never been explored) with a Dwarven presence. So these areas need some representation in the world map.

As for AU ideas, I think they could make an amazing evergreen feature for solo or small groups (scenario) that is located in the Caverns of Time and sends us to a variety of locations in time, using existing assets. Gameplay could be like Torghast with some excuse to add rogue like elements than you'd use existing locations to build important times in Azeroth lore and send us there to preserve the timeline. We can come with several dozen moments if we just think through it. Excellent way to add cosmetics and it could work on a rotation like Islands.