The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Because you just don't kill off one of your most beloved characters in some random intro anymore after GoT's last shitty season? We had that in Legion thanks to the than current hype.

(and btw, I love the books, but WoW doesn't need that kind of storytelling)

Killing the guy safeguarding Sargeras (and in this scenario, seemingly the other titans) from the rest of the universe to establish that they are out and they are coming isn't a random intro or death.

[Lady Atia]

Killing the guy safeguarding Sargeras (and in this scenario, seemingly the other titans) from the rest of the universe to establish that they are out and they are coming isn't a random intro or death.

Yes it is. Illidan will be back as the Bolvar/Magni/Khadgar of an Expansion, not killed off at the start of it.

[Pheraz]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54218610

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post54218611

The trailer description sounds cool but the name "Vegeance of Kingdoms" reads to me as a not native english speaker kinda weird. If I translate this to german... "Die Rache von Königreichen" or "Die Rache der Königreiche". Vegeance for what?
But yeah the content of those fan fics/ leaks sounds really cool 9/10 would play

[Holdodlig]

I'd actually love to fight titans for once. The demon / shadow / elemental / dragon circle starts to get old.

[Cheezits]

I still think there's a chance the finale of the Tyr quest is that he straight up disappears, so that COULD be him reporting to the Titans. So..

Maybe like an Ultron moment where he downloads all the events since he died, goes "nope shits fucked" and then leaves?

[Sondrelk]

I still think there's a chance the finale of the Tyr quest is that he straight up disappears, so that COULD be him reporting to the Titans. So..

Maybe like an Ultron moment where he downloads all the events since he died, goes "nope shits fucked" and then leaves?

So the full Sylvanas experience then? Lots of buildup, then just ragequit at the climax.

[Cheezits]

So the full Sylvanas experience then? Lots of buildup, then just ragequit at the climax.

The buildup is so red-herringy and meant to be twisted that I can't see it leading to anything other than him being a boss or dipping out.

[Auxis]

Anyone think that the artifact from the end of the Secrets event is a hint with any merit?

Keepers collected artifacts that they found throughout their tenures. Tyr became fascinated by a single artifact that he kept as his lone treasure - a mysterious, sealed but seamless container covered in the writings of titan, Legion, and Old God servants (presumably Shath'yar - the language). And Kathos notes: "The text on top of this chest is definitely titan. But here, this is a language used by the Burning Legion! And this text is used by servants of the Old Gods. I've never seen these three languages being intermingled like this. I'm not fluent, but the titan text speaks of a danger within the chest. And item? Or perhaps just... knowledge."

This could all just be a silly nod to something from Norse mythology (although it sounds more like something Odin would do), but after all of that secret hunting we get something so peculiar...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The dread lord willingly converted. He wasn't forced to do so. Further, the Lightforged aren't currently attempting to convert everyone by force on Azeroth.



They aren't though. The lightforged are the draenei that remained on Argus to fight the legion. The AU Draenei are the standard Draenei race introduced in TBC that fled Argus thousands of years ago to settle on Draenor, but never fled Draenor to escape the legion-induced Orcs.

as I said the difference is the last 30 years. The goats aren’t trying to convert people because of the death of Xe'ra who did try to do so to Illidan and the alt goats are both the TBC goats and the light forged who showed up after the “one legions” defeat with there Xe'ra still Alive who joined Yrel.

Every thing is the same up to the point Garrosh showed 30 years ago and the and them not fleeing Draenor and then us going back in BFA.

[Santandame]

Because you just don't kill off one of your most beloved characters in some random intro anymore after GoT's last shitty season? We had that in Legion thanks to the than current hype.

(and btw, I love the books, but WoW doesn't need that kind of storytelling)

Outrageous take and isn’t accurate to GoT at all lol.

[Lahis]

The fish is from Emerald Dream.

[Worldshaper]

The fish is from Emerald Dream.

Red herring imo. The saddle doesn't look very Emerald Dreamy, or does it? I think it's more Azsharan.

[Teriz]

as I said the difference is the last 30 years. The goats aren’t trying to convert people because of the death of Xe'ra who did try to do so to Illidan and the alt goats are both the TBC goats and the light forged who showed up after the “one legions” defeat with there Xe'ra still Alive who joined Yrel.

Every thing is the same up to the point Garrosh showed 30 years ago and the and them not fleeing Draenor and then us going back in BFA.

Which is a fundamental shift that is explained in the lore. Without demons to fight, the Naaru shifted the Draenei towards conquering Draenor for their own purposes. It doesn't matter if it was 30 years or 300 years, the point is that the Lightbound experienced a significant shift in history from the playable Draenei race who experienced genocide at the hands of demonic backed Orcs, versus the Lightbound who lost Velen in WoD and didn't experience a genocide. That alters their purpose, their motivations, and their general outlook as a race and makes the Lightbound VERY different from the standard Draenei we know and love.

The Mag'har (and Orcs) know them, the other races of Azeroth do not.

[Cheezits]

The fish is from Emerald Dream.

Why would they design a random flying Koi for just the dream? I think the "Southsea" one is a joke but it's a weird choice that doesn't match the rest of the new animals that are overtly nature/druidic.

[Nymrohd]

Red herring imo. The saddle doesn't look very Emerald Dreamy, or does it? I think it's more Azsharan.

Eh, it's literally found in the zone.

[Worldshaper]

Eh, it's literally found in the zone.

What I'm saying is that Blizzard intentionally placed it there as a red herring.

[Alanar]

Yes it is. Illidan will be back as the Bolvar/Magni/Khadgar of an Expansion, not killed off at the start of it.

What ever you say.

[AngerFork]

Thought of another way to explain my theory about the expansions, and the pattern they have. Builders and Spenders (inspired by abilities in WoW).

A builder expansion build towards something. It comes with different themes and stories to tell. But there's an overarching meta-narrative working in the background.

A spender expansion is the culmination of something. It goes all-in with a specific theme, and is usually a large scale expansion with a bigger scope than the last.

Core Expansions

• The Burning Crusade
• Wrath of the Lich King
• Cataclysm
• Mists of Pandaria

Modern Expansions

• Builder - Warlords of Draenor
• Spender - Legion
• Builder - Battle for Azeroth
• Spender - Shadowlands
• Builder - Dragonflight
• Spender - 11.0

Warlords of Draenor had themes such as the Iron Horde, the Draenei and Mag'har, Ogres and Botani, and much more. But it built towards the impending return of the Burning Legion.

Battle for Azeroth had themes such the faction war, N'Zoth, the Heart of Azeroth, Azshara, and much more. But it built towards the impending return of the forces of Death.

Dragonflight has themes such as the Primalists and the Primal Incarnates, the elements, dragons and the Dragon Aspects, and much more. But it builds towards the impending return of the Void.

Legion, Shadowlands, and 11.0, meanwhile, go all in on that theme which was teased in the expansion prior.

This is largely how I've been looking at the recent expansions as well, though in a slightly different fashion. I've more seen it in terms of antagonists built, then used.

Warlords was themed around the Iron Horde without a doubt, but if I'm looking for an overall main character at the center of the expansion, I'm not sure there's a better choice than Gul'dan. He was the mana battery that was used for the portal, then was consistently a thorn in everyone's side throughout the expansion eventually being the trigger for Legion. He was killed off mid-expansion, but not before his damage had been more than done.

BfA was centered around the Alliance/Horde war with N'Zoth as a driving force, but the overall main character at the center of everything was Sylvanas. From Teldrassil to the way she fought with her own people (Saurfang & Baine especially) to the depths she was willing to sink to while fighting the Alliance, she was a constant threat to anyone living and most of the Forsaken too. She was the trigger for us to enter the Shadowlands, and again was defeated in the middle raid tier.

With DF, this is a bit trickier. This expansion has had several characters that have had their time in the sun, notably the aspects from each flight. Yet at the center of it all would appear to be one specific dragon, Iridikron. Even when he was imprisoned at the beginning, a lot of Raszageth's actions can be traced back to her partnership with the Primalists & Iridikron. He very much was behind sending the Dracthyr & Fyrakk down to Zaralek to deal with Aberrus & Shadowflame and was nearly the reason for Murozond's rise. Even the theme for the next patch appears from the trailer to be based on Fyrakk's insanity which can be traced to Iridikron.

I suspect whatever device he was empowering before escaping through that Void portal will be a large part of the theme for 11.0.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which is a fundamental shift that is explained in the lore. Without demons to fight, the Naaru shifted the Draenei towards conquering Draenor for their own purposes. It doesn't matter if it was 30 years or 300 years, the point is that the Lightbound experienced a significant shift in history from the playable Draenei race who experienced genocide at the hands of demonic backed Orcs, versus the Lightbound who lost Velen in WoD and didn't experience a genocide. That alters their purpose, their motivations, and their general outlook as a race and makes the Lightbound VERY different from the standard Draenei we know and love.

The Mag'har (and Orcs) know them, the other races of Azeroth do not.

The time frame absolutely matters, you don’t swap from ten thousand years of tech tactics and so on in such a ridiculously short time span as 30 years when you live thousands.

the light forged would understand there tech, understand there state of mind, and know what tactics they are likely to use in both approaching allies and dealing with threats.

All the Mag’har would know is how to get killed by them.

[Teriz]

The time frame absolutely matters, you don’t swap from ten thousand years of tech tactics and so on in such a ridiculously short time span as 30 years when you live thousands.

the light forged would understand there tech, understand there state of mind, and know what tactics they are likely to use in both approaching allies and dealing with threats.

All the Mag’har would know is how to get killed by them.

Again, the Lightforged are the Draenei who stayed on Argus to fight the Legion. The Lightbound are alternate versions of the Draenei who fled Argus with Velen thousands of years ago and settled on Draenor. If anything, standard Draenei would be more knowledgeable of the Lightbound than the Lightforged, and the Lightbound are fundamentally different from them as well due to the events that occurred in WoD and its aftermath.